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The only reason I'm going to college is to get drunk, nail chicks, build race cars (I'm in Vechile Research Insitute at Western Washington University), and sit around for a while.
 

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Originally posted by Bible_Belt
Hey Raiderz, I have a poli sci degree from The University of Tampa, so you know what I mean about overpriced.

As a psych major with good grades, you can use it to get into grad school (I went to law school), but a bs in psych should be more of a complement to other skills as it does not differentiate you when considered by itself. If you had sales skills AND a psych degree, for example, that would help you to get a sales job with a large company. Wages are low in Florida, but Tampa still has a good economy. There are always office jobs. I have friends who did well by simply getting an entry level "computer guy" job and letting their company pay for their education and certifications one at a time.

I did a lot of career-shopping in the area. If you are good at fixing things, there is an airplane-mechanic trade school at the St Pete airport. It's like a 3 semester program that gets you a $30k/yr job.
My friends gfs sisters bf has a degree in computer crap, but he has a job making 8 an hr. Its kinda bs if you as me. I thought about doing civil engineering at USF when i get back down there. 3 semesters for 30k isnt bad, with being an airplane mechanic, id be kinda worried about job security and all that stuff.
 

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Don't tell me you're going to make connections with really important people scrubbing **** out of toilets for $6.25 an hour. That's just ridiculous.

You're a lot more likely to meet important people at a credible university. I've been here just over a year and I know the directors of Resident Life on campus, multiple hall directors that run building complexes across campus, presidents of various huge groups, Ph.D professors who do important research. The list goes on.

If you're smart, you'll realize that paying 60,000 dollars once for college is justified as you will be making a few more thousand per year for your entire work career (~25 years). Think about it, if you make 3 grand a year over what you'd usually make then you've paid for college right there. Most people end up making vast amounts more per year, and more than earn back their investment.

Besides, if you're smart you won't even have to pay for college. Ohio State pays me to go to school (worth about $17,000 a year. It would be closer to $26,000 a year if I were out of state). I know a girl in my building who goes to school not only for free, but gets paid 3-4 grand a quarter on top of that.

It's true that in college, the most important thing you learn is "how to learn."
 

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Originally posted by ShizamDaMan
Don't tell me you're going to make connections with really important people scrubbing **** out of toilets for $6.25 an hour. That's just ridiculous.

You're a lot more likely to meet important people at a credible university. I've been here just over a year and I know the directors of Resident Life on campus, multiple hall directors that run building complexes across campus, presidents of various huge groups, Ph.D professors who do important research. The list goes on.

If you're smart, you'll realize that paying 60,000 dollars once for college is justified as you will be making a few more thousand per year for your entire work career (~25 years). Think about it, if you make 3 grand a year over what you'd usually make then you've paid for college right there. Most people end up making vast amounts more per year, and more than earn back their investment.

Besides, if you're smart you won't even have to pay for college. Ohio State pays me to go to school (worth about $17,000 a year. It would be closer to $26,000 a year if I were out of state). I know a girl in my building who goes to school not only for free, but gets paid 3-4 grand a quarter on top of that.

It's true that in college, the most important thing you learn is "how to learn."
If you're smart you won't have to pay for college? Universities give out scholarships to students with great H.S. GPAs and a willingness to be the school's ***** (i.e., do community service or whatever else the scholarship requires), or in rare cases, star athletes. Personally, I don't see the connection to "being smart." Most people I know consider me to be "smart" but I've never done well in school, in general.

If anything, I think "being smart" is more about being true to yourself and doing what you want to do in life, not what everyone else tells you to do. But if somebody else wants to go the full college route, I'm not gonna knock them for it. After all, it's their life, not mine.

The only connections I made during my short tenure at a 4-year university were with stoners and drunks who didn't seem to have any goals in life. I enjoyed it a lot, but looking back on it, it's a year of my life I wish I had back. In terms of college giving you special connections, I think that's B.S. If you have the networking skills you can make good connections from any standing in life.
 

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my views on college:

1) i would drop out if it wasn't for the fact that i'd be the first in almost my entire family tree to not finish at least a college degree

2) if i stay and get a degree, i'll have a better salary...in other words, more money for investing and startup capital for my companies

3) the best time and place in your life to meet girls ... in fact, even if i make a few million with just a bachelor's, i may go back for a master's for more college life experience ... it really kicks ass

i mean, i'm most probably going to finish my 4 year degree in 5-6 years ... but who cares, i'll be :woo: the whole way ... i'll just retire a few years later, but a little more :woo: for retiring 1-2 years later is worth it, imo

4) you can go through college without learning anything, it depends what school you go to, and what you make of it ... certain undergrad programs are based more on testing students in subjects and not on preparing for the workforce, which is how it should be ... research universities suck in undergrad programs sometimes ... and in fact, if it was my choice, i'd rather go to a technical school because i know it would prepare me better for the type of work i'll be doing in the long run ... there's a ton of stuff i am taking classes for right now that i won't need ... and i'm not just saying that because i'm lazy ... it's true, the 4 years degree can be shortened to 2-3 years if they actually made better, more meaningful curriculums

nonetheless, i am freaking loving college life right now

oh, and i hear some people say life after college is not great ... screw them, they are negative, do not listen to them ... life is always great and beautiful, you just have to have the right mindset ... i'm sure my life will be freaking awesome after college too ... and so should everyone's ... i hate the whole, highschool sucked, college is good, career is bad opinions that almost everyone gives ... they're idiots
Originally posted by il_duce
If you have the networking skills you can make good connections from any standing in life.
definitely
 

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It depends on the person...


Just because you don't go to college doesn't mean you are going to be a loser ShizamDaMan... it's good your in College, and it's good you got a scholorship,, but everyone that isn't in your boat isn't a loser...


I never set foot on a college campus.. execpt for college football and basketball games... And I'm pretty sure I'm worth more money here than anyone else on this board... expect for probaly STR8UP, I don't know his finaical situtation, but I know he works for himself and does great. (I said pretty sure, I don't have you guys portfolios sitting on my computer desk, but I am worth enough)

Bill Gates didn't go to college. Paul Allen didn't go to college.. 2 of the 3 richest people in America.

8 of our countries presidents didn't go to college.

25 percent of all Millionares didn't go to college.

50% of all millionares that DID go to college mantained a C Average or below :( .. Might be a little lower or highter than 50 percent, but it's damn close.



But that doesn't mean college isn't a good thing.. It CAN be a great thing.. but if you think that just because you go, you are going to have this great life and everything will be taken care of, you couldn't be father from the truth.


When I sold my company, I got a call from AMEX Financial Advisors..I had worked with them for the last year and I had informed them that I was quitting my job (They did my portfolio)...

Within 1 week, they offered me a job that could pay Millions in as little as 10 years, and as much as 150K this year, which was actually more than the salary I made at my own company, being a Financial Advisor for them... I was 21, and even though they were expanding, they had hundreds of applicants and were only going to hire 4-5 people, but told me the job was mine if I wanted it. They told me they seen enough from my comany to know that I could handle the job with ease...

I turned it down, becasue fankely, part of the reason I sold my company was because I wanted a damn break, wanted a little more of a social life, and wanted to do something I really wanted to do.

The job offer still stands... I can walk in there tomorrow and get hired.



Like I told my EX... just because I didn't go to college doesn't mean I don't educate myself... Hell, I used to do her online coruses for her... I always go to the libary, I read alot... I don't have to go school and pay a teacher to make me pick up a book and read... That's just me.


However, if I was going into surgery, I'll be damned if my doctor just picked up a book...

(no I'm not a doctor.. but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night)
 

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Bill Gates went to college, but dropped out. That's were he met his business partner.
 

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Originally posted by Centaurion
Bill Gates went to college, but dropped out. That's were he met his business partner.
of course, i believe it was harvard
 

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College is what you make it out to be. Alot of people overlook the fact that college offers excellent networking oppertunities (ie Bill Gates). If you're attending a good college/uni you'll be able to create a network that will benefit you in the long run.
 

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For those who thinks Bill Gates found his connection there in Harvard. That isn't true.

Bill Gates majored in math thinking he could be one of the top mathematician (he didn't do so well) so he decided to dropout. I believe that was one of the main reason.

Bill Gates' connection, actually, was only his best friend who he advised to dropout with him to start and work on his Micro-soft (that was what it was named at the time, I know it changed several times, just don't remember from what to what). His friend didn't listen to him and graduated.

Bill Gates still got rich but his friend was just graduating by then. It was then when his best friend Paul Allen (I could be wrong, I know one of them was his business partner and best friend) realized his mistake.

Hence a fitting quote;

"The best advice Bill Gates ever gave me was to dropout of school."

Let me just make a little disclaimer, it was either Paul Allen or Steve Ballmer. One of them is his best friend. Unfortunately I can't remember which.
 

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The problem with thinking everyone who doesn't go to college will become a super-rich billionaire, is that they don't.

The average college graduate makes more than the average high school graduate.

If you've got unlimited determination, fear nothing, and can work 20-hour days like Bill Gates did, then feel free to skip college.

Otherwise, you're better off going to college and getting that $100K/year job, buy a bunch of investment properties, and quitting at 50 with a fat retirement paycheck.

Becoming the top 10% at anything takes a lot of courage, determination, and hard work. Most people jump in without realising that.
 

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People get the wrong impression and somewhat defensive because they actually went to college. That's not so. *I* went. I went to (3) different colleges, too, still finished in 4 years. Not that I'm patting myself on the back, but generally those who transfer do it in 5 years, or never finish.

Going to college is not indicative of anything but the desire to learn. However, many follow it BLINDLY like some grandiose path to wealth. It isn't. Just like H.S. some step in line with only moderate ambition and follow the same line as everybody else.

You need college is your desire is to be an accountant, lawyer, doctor, or something technically-related, such as engineering or computer programing.

However, the biggest sham is business courses. Albeit wonderful, business is perhaps the course of study requiring the MOST intensive effort, yet least difficulty.

Business is such a broad course of study, so many kids elect "business" and finish with a BA that the market is saturated with business degrees.

EVERYTHING is business!!!!

A doctor's office is a business.
A golf course is a business.
A casino is a business.
A restaurant is a business.
A real estate investment company is a business.

By ONLY getting a Business Degree, you're basically relegating yourself to UNDERSTANDING business, but not IMPROVING it, nor providing any value to a business that might hire you.

Does this shock some? It should. If it doesn't then you already know it or you just ignore it.

To be a GOOD business student, you have to rise above the rest or don't really expect the big dollars.

*Take part in as many business group/classes @ your college.
*Use your electives in finance, accounting, and marketing. Gain a foundation OF business. Then you can go onto the REAL meat that works.
*Try to join a chamber of commerce, go to their meetings.
*Get into toastmasters (yes, while in college).
*Do an internship or job during the summer that's in a business field where you learn something. Or try to do a side project on your own making money, like lawn care, detailing cars, doing minor accounting or tax returns, selling things, ebaying, whatever.
*Look around the 'net' for other opportunities.
*Try to practice selling during college (companies like Cutco Knives -Vector Marketing, Herbalife, etc aren't all bad, despite their MLM nature).

Your business life is NOW! Not when you're done. I knew guys working for Vector Marketing driving NEW bmw's @ 23 years old, just because they were dedicated.

Business sounds sexy, and it CAN be, when you're at the forefront. I like to buy movies (yes they're fake), but nonetheless of the attitude of the top EXECs. Wall Street, Barbarians at the Gate, Boiler Room, GlenGarry GlenRoss, etc. They're motivating.

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See, Gates and all his other cohorts already had the DRIVE prior to college, and in most cases, his professors would NOT have fostered his ambition and vision. They would have tried to coral his energy and vision on the future and put it into plans, details, analyses, etc.

Schooling IN GENERAL tries to GIVE you a plan of attack. It is supposed to teach the basics.

But tell me, if the greatest wealth of our time was created from most things nobody every thought of or did, how can a school/college grant you these things, when wealth is the product of creativity and NEW thought???

It's one thing to GET accounting, finance, stocks, etc, but unless new thought is injected, all you get is OLD money. New money, new thought gets paid. Aren't we all looking for new thought to get new, greater wealth or success?

If you aren't, there's tons of programs already written on how to get ahead and get some cash. You don't even need college for that. You can buy a R/E one, a stock one, even sales programs that show how to make X sales that lead to Y commission.

But if colleges don't push people to think beyond the course load, beyond making income statements, and beyond analyzing them, then WHAT DO THEY DO? What are they for?

In a sense, in my opinion, it's like maintaing the ranks. The wealthy know we need a Doctor as much as we need a Garbage man. Someone will do any job for the right money, right? I mean if Garbage men made 100k, some guys would scoop that up.

Those who have companies DO need college grads like they need capital in company, so colleges SUPPLY the necessary human capital (far more value anyway) for corporations to continue. If society wasn't organzied, wealth creation wouldn't be systematic as it is.

Think: If you had a multi billion dollar company, you're not just going to CHUCK $1,000,000,000 out into the market knowing it's likely to fail or to just EXPERIMENT. It's all organized. It's a market, so therefore it's expected to be somewhat predictable. Colleges provice regular, systematic human capital to companies requiring managers and people.

It's like Nobles to Kings. Nobles in some extent were slightly ahead of peasants; they weren't normally or royalty, but they were given title to people and property for the allegiance to the king and control of the people and lands. They in effect worked to keep the system working. And because nobles benefited, they continued helping the kings. They didn't want to be a peasant and knew they'd never be king, so why not the next best thing???

It's no different nowadays. There are those who can't sell, or don't want to, so in some companies, they join large ranks mooching off the production of other people, because they can't or won't do it on their own. Yet, they work to keep the system intact for their own benefit because they are afraid. Why do you think people FEAR downsizing and job loss???

I mean, if you were self-sufficient, valuable, self-reliant, and self-starter, capable, independent, who CAREs about that job lost??? Really. it's just a job. If you can and are able, you're unplugged and don't require ONE company to be your WHOLE life. Yet, much of America is built this way because schooling does JUST THIS.

The best analogy was in the Movie the Matrix when "cypher" chose his fake reality to the real reality. He didn't want to be Free and live in shyt, so he chose to work for the enemy to have his pretty fake world kept together, rather than see life as it is. In the end, he died, and by the 3rd movie, the humans won out, so in the long-run it was worth it. It might be a movie, but all I wanted was the analogy, not the movie or the plot.

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People don't believe in abundance, so they don't have much. Moreover, they dont' belive in it, so they don't SPREAD it. These boards are pretty good, and guys believe girls come and go, so we're not afraid to share styles, tactics, ideas, heck, even girls when we use wing men! So why does society not do the same??

We are so focused on MAKING money rather than CREATING it and helping one another that nobody has any! Fact is, most places, college/h.s. are not positive places for breeding of positive forward thinking thought. When you consider HOW many intelligent kids are at a high school or college, why aren't MORE businesses just POPPING out of campuses?

Granted, they might no have the seed capital, but damn, all you need is the idea, the money will FIND YOU. An idea is harder than the money, and the idea is even easier anyways! Colleges should be breeding grounds and incubators for new businesses, new procedures, new EVERYTHING! They should have college students studying companies, dissecting them, and putting them back together more efficiently. THAT is how you APPLY knowledge rather than just learn it.

Instead everybody just reads the text, takes a paper exam, maybe does a course project and bam, you're done. You've done nothing of note (generally) to improve a company, which would be HUGE on a resume. You've not applied ANY of it to the real world so you can mention this or GET it.

It's one thing to learn stocks, it's another to TRADE them. We learn by doing, NOT by reading. You know something only by GOING through it, not by reading about, Good will hunting.




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By the way, money by itself is worthless. Its basically pieces of paper - I could make you coloured paper anytime. Its what you do with the money that counts. Don't work your butt off for money, work for whatever objective you want in life.

Take it from a guy who spent every minute of his legal age taking crazy risks for the sake of "money", without knowing what he wanted to do with it.
 

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ok i hate where people keep saying how to get rich you automatically have to sleep less than 4 hours a night, NOT SLEEPING IS NOT THE SECRET.
 

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The truth about college is that unless you pick a degree that almost garantees a good job, it's a waste of time. To live comfortably by yourself, it will probaly take a $40,000 a year job. Then when a wife and kids pop up, it doubles. So if you're going to school, you better get a degree in the sciences that actually involes math; so no social science degree unless you plan on getting a master's in it. Engineering and accounting are great to since the world's going to always need people to develop things and manage how much money they're making. Maybe get an art degree if you want to teach, but you probaly wouldn't need it to do that or sell a paiting, so that's a waste too. Language degrees may work, but that's only if you want to teach or work as a translator. Don't even bother with an English degree unless you want to teach because it's the most useless one other than a philosophy degree; you don't need it to become an author and you don't need it just to be able to communicate with other people. Also, if you're thinking about law school, leave political science alone beacuse most of the people trying to get in have majored in it. Physics, engineering, or even a degree in math will get you in since they involve using facts and theories to your situation instead of you just learning them. So, the truth is that colleges will produce a lot of blue collar workers instead of people actually leading progess in society. Get a degree that matters in the real world so you can pay off your student loans. Oh yeah, you don't really need a business degree to run a business. It may help a bit, but a two year school and some night classes will teach you what you need to know. The rest is just common sense.
 

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I agree with all of the above paragraph except for the law school part - it's only your gpa and lsat that matter. If anyone wants to go to law school, major in whatever gets you the best grades and take private lsat study courses.
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
By the way, money by itself is worthless. Its basically pieces of paper - I could make you coloured paper anytime. Its what you do with the money that counts.
That's probably the most retarded thing I've ever read on this forum.
 

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Originally posted by Scrumtulescence
That's probably the most retarded thing I've ever read on this forum.
lol the way he said it was off.. but hes saying to invest I guess..
 

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People have a VERY distorted view of what college is for and what it can do for you. It's the same with money in general. If you don't bother to look at your finances from ALL angles don't be surprised when you wake up one day and realize you have nothing.

If you think that college is the holy grail when it comes to providing for yourself YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. A surgeon could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and half of his life learning and perfecting his trade, and one car accident could render all of that time and money spent USELESS.

I'm not knocking college. We need educated people to perform skilled labor to maintain our society as we know it. But you absolutley need to understand that no matter how much quality or quantity of schooling you have your education will only provide you with ACTIVE income, meaning if you are sick or injured or whatever, the well runs dry very quickly.

The REAL holy grail is WEALTH. To own or control assets that will provide you with PASSIVE (very important, especially if you become unable to work) income that lasts the rest of your life, and you kids lives should they be wise enough to know how to perpetuate it.

So, by all means go to college. Just understand that you need to have your eye on creating a PASSIVE income, and college won't get you far in that department.
 
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