video: swat team shoots dog in front of child

[bigjohnson]

Strawman

Wrong

Nazi concentration camp guards were just following orders too...

I disagree.

Congrats on being wrong twice. We can't have an orderly society if every person gets to individually decide what to obey and what to not obey based on their personal world view.

.... we should first ask "Should this be a law?".

Sort of moving outside the scope, as I said, effecting change via legal means is a different thing, that's the political process.

 

[speakeasy]

The dog shooting does bring up a question though. How are SWAT teams to deal with hostile dogs like pit bulls during a raid? This is something I never thought about, but yeah, most people have dogs, and if they have to raid a house, a big powerful dog is going to go berserk seeing a group of people crash through the front door.

 

[bigjohnson]

The dog shooting does bring up a question though. How are SWAT teams to deal with hostile dogs like pit bulls during a raid? This is something I never thought about, but yeah, most people have dogs, and if they have to raid a house, a big powerful dog is going to go berserk seeing a group of people crash through the front door.

That whole scenario just sucks because it's a terrible outcome without any obvious (to me) solution. I've already said I think the vast majority of our laws, including the prohibition type ones, are a waste of time, but until they are abolished the police are duty bound to enforce those laws.

I do think it's borderline idiotic to have a big dog in the city where it has to essentially live indoors with people, but a lot of people do that. A lot of people are pretty dumb.

 

[Alle_Gory]

That whole scenario just sucks because it's a terrible outcome without any obvious (to me) solution. I've already said I think the vast majority of our laws, including the prohibition type ones, are a waste of time, but until they are abolished the police are duty bound to enforce those laws.

I do think it's borderline idiotic to have a big dog in the city where it has to essentially live indoors with people, but a lot of people do that. A lot of people are pretty dumb.

The guy had a corgi and a pit bull (in a cage).

This is a corgi: http://www.petsplace.co.za/Corgi_Toby.jpg

 

[bigjohnson]

The guy had a corgi and a pit bull (in a cage).

This is a corgi: http://www.petsplace.co.za/Corgi_Toby.jpg

According to the news reports he had a Corgi (ya, so what) and a Pitbull which was restrained in the kitchen; I suspect it was probably gated off with one of those child doors. A lot of people use them, I have for training purposes, and I doubt anyone has a full on chain link kennel in their suburban kitchen. It's not a really secure 'cage'.

I won't have a dog unless I'm in a place with at least 5 acres so they can have a good place to run, but yes I love dogs and when I'm living in those conditions I've always had them.

 

[Kerpal]

Wrong

Ad hominem

Congrats on being wrong twice. We can't have an orderly society if every person gets to individually decide what to obey and what to not obey based on their personal world view.

Sure we can, as long as the laws they're disobeying only affect victimless crimes. Like carrying a gun, or smoking pot. Nobody is hurt by it, so we should be able to do it.

Sort of moving outside the scope, as I said, effecting change via legal means is a different thing, that's the political process.

That takes too long and won't happen in our lifetimes if at all. So I'll just obey the laws I choose to. As long as I don't hurt anyone, it doesn't matter if I obey them or not.

 

[bigjohnson]

Ad hominem

Wrong again, actually "Congrats on being wrong twice" was borderline ad hominem though, but to really be qualifying I'd need to use the attack to shore up a point.

Sure we can, as long as the laws they're disobeying only affect victimless crimes. Like carrying a gun, or smoking pot. Nobody is hurt by it, so we should be able to do it.

Who determines what hurt by it, is? No one has been hurt by my past speeding, or by a friend of mine driving drunk. No one has ever been hurt a lot of individual things that may carry a statistical or societal cost.