Pretty much game over. Stick frigging fork in it cuz its freaking well done.. I know incels around his age. Game over.
Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.
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They start out as guys with little or no experience with women due to any number of factors eg, shyness, introversion, autism, controlling parents, lack of looks. They continue to fall behind other guys because it isn’t easy to get that experience or make up for lost time/experience.Pretty much game over. Stick frigging fork in it cuz its freaking well done.
Just one question - WTF how? Like wtf how can this ever happen?
Beats me..
I don’t disagree. It’s very common now. It went from around 6 percent of guys to nearly 30 percent these days.@MatureDJ
I couldn't sit and watch that entire video, as it is just too cringey for me lol. He looks way older than 50, I honestly was thinking he was close to 65-70. He also sounds a bit strange, though that is no surprise lol.
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I think it really depends upon the context and type of older male virgin we are looking at. There was a post I read on a youtube channel not that long ago, where a guy that worked in I think IT or some sort of software engineering was talking about his coworkers and how he was quite sure a good number of them were still virgins and had 0 experience with women. These are guys that would have been in their 30s and 40s that were otherwise making quite good money. I think something like this is incredibly common now with men that are somewhere on the "nerd" spectrum. The dating market currently is way more judgmental and harsh towards men like this and it's easy to see how they kind of go to the wayside.
I also don't even really think they've full blown given up, they probably just have other interests that they pursue. Instead of putting effort into meeting women, hitting up clubs, etc. they probably are into things like anime, video games, or perhaps stuff like dungeons and dragons or other types of fantasy pursuits. These are not exactly interests or pursuits that excite women, in fact I'd say that many would see it as a turn off all together lol. Most of these guys aren't even necessarily ugly either, though I think there is a high disposition towards putting very little effort into things like your appearance, style of clothes, etc. I'd also say they tend to be overweight, as their hobbies are more sedentary and they put less effort into eating well, staying active, etc. Combine these factors with their natural personalities towards nerdiness and this is what you see.
I don't have the exact stats on hand, but I think men remaining virgins well past 20 and even close to 30 and beyond it is incredibly common. I remember a couple years ago they had some stat of guys 18-30 and it was something like there was a 50% chance a guy in that category had not had sex in the last year. There are tons of different factors at play here for sure, but being on the spectrum towards a high degree of nerdiness definitely does not help lol.I don’t disagree. It’s very common now. It went from around 6 percent of guys to nearly 30 percent these days.
I said “half given up” for a reason. They definitely and rightly pursue other things like work/career and nerdy hobbies while still holding out some hope that their luck with women will change at some point.
Mostly a mental issue from what I've seen. The guys that are incel at that age aren't OK looking and tall. Not good looking enough for girls to hit on them. But, good enough to get a woman if they put in the effort. But they haven't. And they won't.Pretty much game over. Stick frigging fork in it cuz its freaking well done.
Just one question - WTF how? Like wtf how can this ever happen?
Beats me..
Yes. And even if they get any IOIs, they will be very weak/subtle IOIs that are easily missed or dismissed as friendliness. (Strong/solid IOIs are for the good looking guys.).Mostly a mental issue from what I've seen. The guys that are incel at that age aren't OK looking and tall. Not good looking enough for girls to hit on them. But, good enough to get a woman if they put in the effort. But they haven't. And they won't.
A lot of that comes down to a lack of experience or even social confidence. In fact, that could easily become a repetitive cycle where they tip toe around before asking a woman out on a date. By the time they end up making a move, she's probably already long lost interest and then they just assume that they must have misread something or were being delusional thinking that woman may have been interested. Then the next woman they cross paths with the process repeats again but instead they are even more cautious. Again, it's easy to see how this plays out over years and years.Yes. And even if they get any IOIs, they will be very weak/subtle IOIs that are easily missed or dismissed as friendliness. (Strong/solid IOIs are for the good looking guys.).
So they might hang around a girl (ie orbit) for years trying to “stack evidence” that she’s interested and end up friendzoned at best.
Exactly. They are late to the game as it is as late bloomers. Then they miss opportunities due to being too inexperienced to pick up subtle IOIs, and they are too passive in terms of making a move. And, as nice guys, they genuinely want to be respectful and not pushy. So they try to stack evidence to be absolutely sure she’s interested. By then, it’s too late with her.A lot of that comes down to a lack of experience or even social confidence. In fact, that could easily become a repetitive cycle where they tip toe around before asking a woman out on a date. By the time they end up making a move, she's probably already long lost interest and then they just assume that they must have misread something or were being delusional thinking that woman may have been interested. Then the next woman they cross paths with the process repeats again but instead they are even more cautious. Again, it's easy to see how this plays out over years and years.
Yep, just like in 1 of the 2 most black-pilled scenes in movie history (the other being the last scene from "The Last American Virgin") from "Whatever":They start out as guys with little or no experience with women due to any number of factors eg, shyness, introversion, autism, controlling parents, lack of looks. They continue to fall behind other guys because it isn’t easy to get that experience or make up for lost time/experience.
Eventually then end spending year after year in this limbo where they have half given up and half secretly hope that some woman will magically appear and want to date them. This cycle feeds on itself and becomes an infinite loop.
Raphael: So it's hopeless?
Notre Héro: Of course it is. From the start. You'll never be a girl's erotic dream. Get used to it. It's not for you. Anyway it's too late. All your sexual failures since adolescence, the frustration dogging you since puberty, have scarred you forever. Even if you could find a woman, which I frankly doubt, it wouldn't work. It'll never work. You're orphaned by the teenage loves you've never had. It's already hurt you. An agonizing bitterness will fill your heart. There's no redemption, no release. That's how it is.
I remember viewing a video about the Chicken Ranch and how whenever a tech convention was in town, business rocketed up with johns that were "some of the fastest guns in the West".There was a post I read on a youtube channel not that long ago, where a guy that worked in I think IT or some sort of software engineering was talking about his coworkers and how he was quite sure a good number of them were still virgins and had 0 experience with women. These are guys that would have been in their 30s and 40s that were otherwise making quite good money.
Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.
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Yeah that scene is really deep but spot on.Yep, just like in 1 of the 2 most black-pilled scenes in movie history (the other being the last scene from "The Last American Virgin") from "Whatever":
Seems pretty mean to say to someone.Yep, just like in 1 of the 2 most black-pilled scenes in movie history (the other being the last scene from "The Last American Virgin") from "Whatever":
True Forced Loneliness prophet "Roller" Steve Hoca pointed out this movie as being an early dose of TFL during what was widely regarded as the most marriageable era in recent history. The first black-pill movie scene in history. Marty even looks like Raphael from "Whatever".Yeah that scene is really deep but spot on.
I also like the one from “Marty” when he’s having dinner with his mom.
Here's a great comment:Ma, sooner or later there comes a time in man's life when he's got to face the facts, and one fact I gotta face is that whatever women like, I ain't got it.
“Girls make me feel like I was a bug!”
"I don't wanna download Tinder again Ma, I've matched with enough bots, I've been ghosted enough. I don't wanna get hurt no more"
2- What is he supposed to do for it to not happen? That’s akin to questioning why every 50 year old man is not rich. You all worked for 25 years, how could you all not be loaded?Just one question - WTF how? Like wtf how can this ever happen?
Beats me..
I dont think it’s about that. I think it’s about attraction and it comes down to 2 things, Height and hair, I’ve seen so many lust, love and marry guys because of those 2 factors. Women love things about men that men can’t change.A lot of that comes down to a lack of experience or even social confidence. In fact, that could easily become a repetitive cycle where they tip toe around before asking a woman out on a date. By the time they end up making a move, she's probably already long lost interest and then they just assume that they must have misread something or were being delusional thinking that woman may have been interested. Then the next woman they cross paths with the process repeats again but instead they are even more cautious. Again, it's easy to see how this plays out over years and years.
Would it be possible to define "strong" vs "weak" iOi's?Yes. And even if they get any IOIs, they will be very weak/subtle IOIs that are easily missed or dismissed as friendliness. (Strong/solid IOIs are for the good looking guys.).
So they might hang around a girl (ie orbit) for years trying to “stack evidence” that she’s interested and end up friendzoned at best.