Up against a DJ Master

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Zeeko - You are right, I called the guy AFC off the scale as well as DJ master because there seems to be no middle ground with this dude. He's either way too nice (in a pathetic way with the hand kissing, constant compliments and stuff) or a serious out of control screaming and insulting jerk. The guy even came up to me this morning and apologized for us almost fighting. And my ex was all smiles over it as if she is proud of this loser - fricken *****! Talk about being unpredictable, this guy is a f*cking classic. If he is insecure, he hides it VERY well.

Nonetheless, I agree to forget about her and have done so. There is much better out there.

Sandow - I've had my moments as a somewhat major jerk and it usually does pay off. But I could never see myself going off on a chick as far as this dude did, not in public anyway.
 

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ironman101 said:
Zeeko - You are right, I called the guy AFC off the scale as well as DJ master because there seems to be no middle ground with this dude. He's either way too nice (in a pathetic way with the hand kissing, constant compliments and stuff) or a serious out of control screaming and insulting jerk. The guy even came up to me this morning and apologized for us almost fighting. And my ex was all smiles over it as if she is proud of this loser - fricken *****! Talk about being unpredictable, this guy is a f*cking classic. If he is insecure, he hides it VERY well.

Nonetheless, I agree to forget about her and have done so. There is much better out there.

Sandow - I've had my moments as a somewhat major jerk and it usually does pay off. But I could never see myself going off on a chick as far as this dude did, not in public anyway.
Awww...just because he doesn't visit this forum he's a jerk and mr. nice guy at the same time and that's bad of course because this forum says so. Well...maybe...perhaps...this forum is wrong about women with all the talk about inner game and outer game and is making you a hidious fake creature to your girl, while this guy just believes in himself and does however he feels like without playing games with women and without being bound by the rules and philosophies from Sosuave and gets more appreciated than some robot programmed by the rules of Sosuave pretending he's a natural, just like Pinocchio wants to be a real human.

How about that?
 

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Guys treating LSE women bad = the woman wanting to drop her panties and fvck him right there.....

This is news?

This guy hid behind a nice guy mask (and was probably quite boring because of it) until she fvcked him over. He then grew a pair of balls, probably scared her, and got the lovely "that guy is an a$$hole title"....

He cracked her code and he did it will his balls out. Definitely not an AFC thing at all.... Why? Because he did it loudly and in public (as opposed to on the phone or in private where he could have came off VERY afc). I can only imagine the rush she got from him doing that... This is good stuff man. I highly doubt the guy calibrated it like that; he probably just reached his peak of anger (or has anger issues). But that does not make it any less effective.

Now.... Here's where the issue is: He obviously was wearing a mask for being a "nice guy" at first; which made her flake on him in favor of you (she considered you more exciting to be around)... Then he flipped that and wore the mark of "@sshole" (which emerged out of frustration and a hurt ego.) The problem is - he's probably not either of those things. He's probably only a nice guy when he's in "impress mode", and only an @ss when he's in "aggravated mode"..... This will cause serious congruence problems for him... And eventually - she will gain control over him; he'll become betaized, and that will be that... They'll either exist in a relationship where she wears the pants, or you'll dump him....

Don't stick around for this though...

Your best bet is to move on. UNLESS you're an @sshole; A REAL ONE who focuses a lot on abuse, humiliation and control! Because this woman gets off on that.... Which means she's most likely a GREATS fvck; but not fit to date long-term.

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For the most part (this doesn't apply to ALL women) - if you're with a woman and she says, "I hate that guy, he's such an a$$hole" - you should check her panties next time he's around her to find out just how wet he gets her!
 

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don't think that you lost to this guy. think of it like this. she weeded herself out by showing how stupid she is.

which is actually closer to the truth.

i've seen it all. the reasons women pick certain men are not an exact science.

not too long ago one guy who i was helping recover froma drug problem, and even while having an issue, was pretty much over it, but was an ASP programmer, making 50 bucks an hour and he's 27, pretty well off financially, not bad looking, and decent with the ladies, to a 32 year old cook from ihop who tries to kill himself at least 3 times a year.

i told him exactly what i just told you. man that girl did the best favor to you she could have, because she is showing you that she is not worthy of you.
 

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another angle to consider: She blew him off and went out with you to get a reaction out of him, like "let's see how much he cares". Just another idea. Who knows what really happened though, it sucks when you cant pinpoint what you did right or wrong but you just have to chalk it up to luck and chance. There's probably more to the story than you'll ever know about.

I give that guy credit for being sincere though, especially compared to your "aloof" approach. Pook's "perfect is boring" post comes to mind
 

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yeah there's probably so much more to what you actually know is going on...
anyway the best I can get out of this is,
you = she feels happy all the time. you became boringly predictable. every nice guy before you probably did the same thing, try to keep her happy and laughing always.
him = she feels happy, sad, angry, jealous
add to the fact that he had the balls to call her ass out, not in a pvssy way either. he called her out without givin a **** about how she feels or if he ever saw her again.
There's a valuable lesson to be learned from him.
he knew he did wrong so he apologized to you. that takes balls to you know man.
maybe he's not so much of a douche as everyone thinks.

Im gunna need to re-read that "perfect is boring" post.
 

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Awww...just because he doesn't visit this forum he's a jerk and mr. nice guy at the same time and that's bad of course because this forum says so. Well...maybe...perhaps...this forum is wrong about women with all the talk about inner game and outer game and is making you a hidious fake creature to your girl, while this guy just believes in himself and does however he feels like without playing games with women and without being bound by the rules and philosophies from Sosuave and gets more appreciated than some robot programmed by the rules of Sosuave pretending he's a natural, just like Pinocchio wants to be a real human.
Love this post, Darko. +1.
 

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what a world we live in....where a man's uncalculated rage, can spike up his attraction value.




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So what if that chump got the girl. You actually think its gonna last lol? Hes gonna wind up getting his ass cheated on and then his heart is gonna feel like it was torn in half. Meanwhile, you'll be off perfectly content with yourself spinning plates.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Julius_Seizeher said:
Upon further reflection, I have more to add here.

I think this guy (in all likelihood unknowingly) got her by creating the emotional impact. At once he was lovey dovey, then he blew up and cussed her out in public. Her emotions were swirling, she had drama to talk about with her friends, he was hot and cold, etc. It was the perfect setup to create immediate interest, which will most surely dissipate as fast as it was made.
And she realized, deep down, that a guy who goes off like a volcano ,"must really love me."
He triggered her need to be adored .
 

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jophil28 said:
And she realized, deep down, that a guy who goes off like a volcano ,"must really love me."
He triggered her need to be adored .
Bingo! I remember her saying to me after he cursed her out how much of a jerk the guy was and a big as*hole. I should of known then her panties were probably wet for him.
 

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ironman101 said:
Bingo! I remember her saying to me after he cursed her out how much of a jerk the guy was and a big as*hole. I should of known then her panties were probably wet for him.
What is even more interesting is all of the weak man rhetoric you hear in this thread. This guy is a loser, she's gonna see his inner afc eventually, you are the better man....he's a chump, shes gonna cheat on him one day. WTF! That's like chics telling each other, noooo! You don't look fat at all! When in reality that guy is burying his dong in her and you're not. Fvck that hand holding let's make a brother feel better womanly crap, and let's get real. What did we learn kids? Playing nice gets you nothing, being a self absorbed, emotion, jerk ass gets you laid.

The weak men around here just cannot accept that fact. It's so foriegn to their brain and AFC mindset that they just do not get it. It's like the first time they realized a neg worked. Not saying you should go around mashing on bytches....but what I am saying is that instead of insulting the Screaming Man for being angry...understand why it worked and what she received from it and see how to model a less corrosive way of incorporating that knowledge into your game.
 

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Warrior74 said:
What is even more interesting is all of the weak man rhetoric you hear in this thread.

The weak men around here just cannot accept that fact. It's so foriegn to their brain and AFC mindset that they just do not get it.
Indeed
A lot of conventional PUA wisdom is useless when it is applied past the first ONS. You guys need tio THINK more and bleat less

If you rookies are struggling to understand why she dumped the OP for some azzhole who threw a tantrum in the gym , read on.

Firstly forget all that faddish nonsense about women with "low self esteem " falling for jerks .
I remember that lame nonsense being "the Gospel" of the late 1980's.

Understand this -ALL women define their worth ( to a greater degree) from external acceptance and in particul, from approval from men. Women REACT and FEEL according to how many males are signalling their attraction to her.
Why do you think that they go to so much trouble with their appearance? The answer is simple -they are presenting 'the product' in the best possible light ultimately hoping for a buyer who will pay the highest price and who is bidding in the most vigorous manner.. Women have done this forever - it is never going to change .
However, women also have a 'list' of various male behaviors which they find attactive . The key to understanding this for us men is to grasp only one point- women are attracted to men who trigger and stir their emotions. In essence this translates into her experiencing a swirl of brain chemicals.

In this case, I am thinking that the other guys' outburst merely triggered a rush of adrenaline and brain 'uppers' in her. His behavior signalled to her a similar emotional reaction to the gush of emotions that women experienced back in the day when two men fought over her with swords or pistols or even fists.
Long story short, she probably (unconsciously) interpreted his outburst in the gym as a sure measure of his feelings toward her. She felt like "THE PRIZE". After all -if he didn't care deeply, he wouldn't have yelled - right ?

The problem for the gym guy is that he will be expected to regularly demonstrate similar expressions of affection to satisfy her emotional needs. If he does not satisfy this need, to her satisfaction, she will fake up some drama to create all the turmoil and uproar that she craves.
 

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In this case, I am thinking that the other guys' outburst merely triggered a rush of adrenaline and brain 'uppers' in her. His behavior signalled to her a similar emotional reaction to the gush of emotions that women experienced back in the day when two men fought over her with swords or pistols or even fists.
I agree with this.
However, it's interesting to compare this to RSD's oft-quoted advice that being "nonreactive" emotionally is the way to attract women. Their theory states that guys should not be emotional because then they can act as the woman's rock, because nothing fazes him. They also say being nonreactive shows that they are internally validated, and no outside factors can bother thier mood, state, or opinion of themselves.

The only other thing I would say is that we don't know for sure that the yelling incident is what attracted her. He may have been working on her in ways the OP is not aware of. But I do think the incident helped stir some emotions in her.

It all goes to show you can't always define life in pickup terms. Even the most successful strategy will not work every time. It's a numbers game.

The problem for the gym guy is that he will be expected to regularly demonstrate similar expressions of affection to satisfy her emotional needs. If he does not satisfy this need, to her satisfaction, she will fake up some drama to create all the turmoil and uproar that she craves.
Sounds like the guy has a short fuse and may even be a little unstable. Most likely she will succeed at provoking that reaction from him when she needs it.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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zekko said:
However, it's interesting to compare this to RSD's oft-quoted advice that being "nonreactive" emotionally is the way to attract women. Their theory states that guys should not be emotional because then they can act as the woman's rock, because nothing fazes him. They also say being nonreactive shows that they are internally validated, and no outside factors can bother thier mood, state, or opinion of themselves.
RSD makes a good point- being "nonreactive" is attractive to women .WHat RSD does not mention is that it also depends on the context and setting.
Under some circumstances being "nonreactive" can easily be interpreted as flat affect ,wishy washy or plain weak.

Secondly, human nature seems to seek and appreciate a wide range of responses .
Take Mr Cool - Clint E. He often shows flashes of rage and sometimes 'reacts' to provocation from the bad guys, BUT his anger is always underpinned by a confident self control.
 

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Update: It's over! I just heard he dumped her ass and is already dating another - even hotter one so I'm told. My friend tells me my ex is devastated and asked about me. Don't think so bytch! LOL - Ignore!
 

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good for that guy, he did the smart thing. Your ex is gunna chase after him for years to come, no ifs, ands or buts about it. he's in a great position.
 

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Cant see any problem here apart from the lack of progress from the OP.

A blow Job and a peck on the cheek, then the OP hanging on for the hope the girl will project there is more on the cards is weak game, you should have established where you stood with this chick from the off-set, if you were in a relationship or dating her, the time she mentioned another guy taking her out would have been the time to dump the Ho! and move onto a safer target.

But you wasn't dating her, if anything you were one of her plates, the only DJ in this thread was the woman - she has you posting about the competition like he is something special when in-fact your blinded by the smoke and mirrors of the female at play.

Regardless of what motivated her to go with the guy, your lack of progress and your inaction to solidify your part in this girls life was very much weak game, especcially considering you where happy to be a bystander on the sidelines whilst other coc*s openly made, the so called your girl, free game.

How will you handle being sat in a bar with a hot GF, going to the toilet then coming back and seeing a guy leaning over to her, beer in hand a look on his face when he see's you coming that states "I saw her first" - Because if you date hot girls that shi* is a dime a dozen.

Hanging on like a loose limpet because you happened to get a BJ and you've now been religated to an orbitor whilst you watch other men, virtually fuc* the girl your orbiting isn't the sign of a DJ homing in your girl - it's the sign of a guy orbiting a girl in the hope of making it something more.

Next time dont be afraid to establish and mark your territory, to the point the girl openly refuses the advances from other males : The point about the story of the hot girl in a bar being hit on, is the fact you dont have to do anything, because if your with the right girl, she'll tell him to get lost in her female subtle way anyway, unless you're just an orbitor bystander watching how other coc*s, penetrate your so called percieved turf, with her watching you come back for more of a beating - -- whilst blaming the OTHER GUY!

It's rather simple, you got a BJ a peck on the cheek then watched or orbited the girl and watched how she progressed with another co**, whilst innocently on the sidelines thinking of 'gaming' a girl who very much was gaming you every step of the way.

What you should have done, if you wanted to game this chick, is gone out with the lads, thrown a few more girls into the mix - watched how she preformed, realized at the off-set this was a classic fukc buddy situation and judged it has such - seen her actions has cute (under the presumption you where tapping other as*) - let her do her own thing, whilst still tapping it under the new BF nose - but at the same time juggling 2-3 other girls and picking one out of them that was worth sticking with (this girl not included, she was a FB) - Her inaction to solidfy the relationship after getting sexual tells me rather plainly she wasn't interested in taking it past that stage with you, but istead you preformed monkey tricks, wasted your time and orbited some chick instead of investing your charms on other targets whilst keeping her in the fuc* juice mix.

And thats the bottom line truth!

When I see things like this I cant help but imagine a line of guys, one girl judging them all and each guy, book in hand with various game techniques all saying 'pick me, pick me' - Seriously step out of the line and go approach some chick without waiting in the hope some random slu* is going to react to the so called game techniques like there silver bullets to her heart - The best game technique you can have is having options and creating options rather than trying to force the hand of one woman, create more - ABUNDANCE is the key to real success. Where is the abundance established in this thread? with abundance the so called other guy is a none entity, because you've got bigger fish to fry, the girl drops off the radar and WHATS THIS, another one pops right on it.
 
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