Up against a DJ Master

[ironman101]

I've been reading the forum for a while and learning the DJ game but this is my first post because I'm confused. I think I just lost to a master DJ and frankly, I thought I was doing everything right and he was doing it all wrong. I played the aloof game, little ****y, made her laugh all the time and the whole DJ stuff and things were going well. Not in the friend mode because we made out on several occasions and I got a bj once. She was falling for me big time until bam, along comes this other guy. I figured he was no match, although a good looking dude and seriously jacked. I seen him a few times kiss her on the hand and on the cheek so I figured this "nice guy" does not have a chance. His looks got her attention but I doubted he could make her emotions fly like I was. Yet, she told me he makes her feel good because he's such a nice guy and a real gentleman who opens the car door for her and all that sh*t. I knew she was testing me at this point but when I heard the "nice guy" comment I figured he's a dummy.

Now here's what totally surprised me. She had a date with him but she blew him off to go out with me. The next day at the gym (we all workout at the same gym) he walks up to her screaming like a major as*hole. I mean this guy was letting lose like a canyon in front of everybody. I could see veins bulging from his neck. He was saying stuff like:

"You f*cking wh*ore, you stood me up and did not even have the decency to call me." "Nobody disrespects me you sl*t bag." "I can't even stand looking at your face you make me sick."

She looked at him with tears in her eyes and said "Why are you acting like this." Then she said "I did not know it was a sure thing." (she lied because she did). "I didn't mean to hurt you." He went off again calling her every name in the book in front of everybody. This nice guy turned into a monster! I yelled at him and we were about to go at it and the manager had us all leave.

After the incident she said he is the biggest jerk she ever met. Two weeks later she tells me its over between us and she is dating him!!! WTF! I mean, if you ask me this guy appeared VERY NEEDY when he went off on her and now she's banging him! He also appeared WEAK by acting hurt.

I really don't care to get her back (already working on another) but can the DJ experts here tell me what I did wrong? Or what the other guy did right? Personally, I would never do such a rant in public. Is this guy a master DJ who pretended to be a nice guy?

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

No. He's an idiot.

I try to be ever-mindful of Pook's saying "Be not contained by formula." Because the more you look around at what is happening in the real world, the more it would seem to contradict much of what is taught here. I support the SS forums 100% for it's endorsement of positive, self-determinate masculinity, but I am reminded time and time again that when it comes to relations between men and women, there is no manual that tells how it's going to go.

This explains the phenomenon of women who get with AFCs, etc.

In your case, ok she's "with" this dude. What's the shelf life of that anyway? He sounds like an insecure mess, like 99% of all relationship deals they'll have a short honeymoon and then she'll dump him for his inner weakness.

And NEVER think of yourself as being in competition with another guy, gal, anyone; the only competitor I recognize is the guy in the mirror.

 

[vatoloco]

Personally, I think that for the most part you did relatively well. The only places where you slipped was in:

1) Perhaps not being a gentleman with this girl. Contrary to what a lot of people will say here, good girls want a gentleman with manners. Unfortunately, this was not a "good girl" (more on that later).

2) Getting into a verbal argument (and potentially physical confrontation) with a guy over a girl. You let your emotions control your actions and put her on a pedestal.

What basically happened is a combination of these three things: 1) sky-high interest level on her part; 2) if the guy's very good-looking, it's quite possible that he's a seasoned Negative Challenge; 3) the girl's got very low self-esteem.

Deadly combination.

 

[zekko]

Like Siezeher says, you can never predict how things are going to go between men and women. The stuff you read here are tips that will generally improve your odds of success, but there's no guarantee when it comes to individual women.

If this guy is so good looking and jacked, that probably triggers one certain response in her. Then while you're acting all aloof, he's acting like a gentleman and gets angry with her when she blows him off, showing that he has an emotional involvement with her. Obviously she responded emotionally to that. I wouldn't say that's a good strategy, follow that, but there are a lot of different approaches that women will respond to.

 

[5string]

Julius nailed it. But I'll tell you this. She did you a favor. Once she figures the other guy out, she'll probably contact you again. Ignore.

 

[KockyMcGoodstroke]

These guys are right. I see the forums as a "training ground" so to speak. When you get out there, you realize that no matter how on point your game is, you wont get everybody. Sometimes they will go for someone who is an afc to the 10th power. Just shake it off, move on, and let her realize the error of her ways.

 

[ironman101]

I agree and thanks for the feedback. Yet, I admit it irks me a bit being dumped for such an idiot with off the scale afc. This forum is great and got me a lot of pus*y, but I guess nothing is written in stone in the game of love/sex.

My conclusion is what zekko said:

If this guy is so good looking and jacked, that probably triggers one certain response in her. Then while you're acting all aloof, he's acting like a gentleman and gets angry with her when she blows him off, showing that he has an emotional involvement with her. Obviously she responded emotionally to that.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

Upon further reflection, I have more to add here.

I think this guy (in all likelihood unknowingly) got her by creating the emotional impact. At once he was lovey dovey, then he blew up and cussed her out in public. Her emotions were swirling, she had drama to talk about with her friends, he was hot and cold, etc. It was the perfect setup to create immediate interest, which will most surely dissipate as fast as it was made.

 

[Warrior74]

Haha. Roosh V right on time once again.

http://www.rooshv.com/anger-is-an-aphrodisiac-to-women

Serioulsy guys...start reading Pook, RooshV and Roissy in DC.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/

 

[COD]

WOMEN ADORE A-HOLES............despite what they say.

COMPREHENSION OF HOW ATTRACTION WORKS.........is why these types ARE "SUCCESSFUL".......(and I use that term loosely) with women.

They prey on certain personality types.........to an outsider looking in, it appears they are chick magnets. You gotta ask yourself what type of relationship this guys has OUTSIDE THE BEDROOM, when things dont go his way.

 

[BigJimbo]

Haha. Roosh V right on time once again.

http://www.rooshv.com/anger-is-an-aphrodisiac-to-women

Serioulsy guys...start reading Pook, RooshV and Roissy in DC.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/

Roissy in DC???? In Washington D.C.?? Are you crazy? First rule is go where the girls are attractive. Until the high-fashion world starts invading high schools in the D.C. area I would avoid. You don't hunt for Caribou in Mexico. You don't fish for swordfish in France. Think. Rule #1 is go where beauty is.

There is NO place you should avoid more than D.C. if you want high caliber girls. Only horny 16 year old boys in Kansas are going to read such stuff.

 

[cycol]

thats similar to what happened to me the past few weeks;
i developed this huge rapport with a girl very quickly, she was complying verbally and kino. she'd always text randomly to want to meet up and stuff (to me it felt like high interest) - then i asked her to go out with me she said she's not over her ex-bf.
then again apparently so-suave encourages not asking girls. haha. :nono:

 

[WC2]

Stupid women fall for stupid men all the time. It's just a fact of life.

But that fact that you've yet to lay the pipe with this chick yet could be a huge factor. It's quite possible he started laying pipe awhile ago and got her going on that.

He probably thinks he's the man cause he's banging this chick, but in reality he's just another scrub. You run into guys like this all the time. You just have to laugh and continue on. Think about where you will be in 10 years and where he will be.

 

[Sandow]

2 things come to mind...he may just be a stud in the bedroom. Like WC2 said, he may have been laying pipe for awhile and she has an emotional attachment to him.

Going off on a chick is such a paradox. Yea people may think it's AFC and loser-ish, but you would be surprised how many chicks get their panties wet for this shyt. I consider myself a pretty chill guy, but the very few times I have actually gotten mad enough to go off on a chick, the result was always great. It was like instant attraction, and usually make up sex. I know... girls are confusing, but I think she's just more attracted to him on an emotional level.

 

[ironman101]

I just want to add one more thing because of something that happened today. First of all, thanks to all for your feedback! I learned a lot.

Anyway, I'm in the gym today and 2 chicks (one very hot and the other somewhat hot), come up to me and say the guy is a real as*hole for how he treats women. I just ignored these girls because frankly, I really don't give a sh*t and maybe they were just pushing my buttons to get a reaction. I just smiled and walked away. Yet, here's the kicker... 10 minutes later both of them are flirting with this dude. I'm talking serious flirting (hair flip, arm touching, long eye contact, flirty smile, laughing and joking with this dude). This is f-ing incredible! These chicks both saw how this guy seriously insulted and disrespected another woman in public, and now they want him too, so it appears. I swear chicks are so messed up. In my view this guy is insecure and needy. But they apparently don't see that. Maybe my gym just has a bunch of hoes LOL

 

[Warrior74]

Roissy in DC???? In Washington D.C.?? Are you crazy? First rule is go where the girls are attractive. Until the high-fashion world starts invading high schools in the D.C. area I would avoid. You don't hunt for Caribou in Mexico. You don't fish for swordfish in France. Think. Rule #1 is go where beauty is.

There is NO place you should avoid more than D.C. if you want high caliber girls. Only horny 16 year old boys in Kansas are going to read such stuff.

Way to get off topic Captain ADHD. All game is local, the principles of game are not.

 

[zekko]

I agree and thanks for the feedback. Yet, I admit it irks me a bit being dumped for such an idiot with off the scale afc.

Lol, did you notice you called this guy a DJ Master in your subject line and now you're saying he's off the scale AFC? As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle. I'm not a big fan of the labels. Most guys are a mix of DJ and AFC, very few people are 100% one way or the other.

Notice also how pickup principles can contradict each other. The guy broke a rule when he went off on her because he wasn't non-reactive and let it bother him. But on the other hand, he called her on her BS and gave her some drama to feed off of. Anyway, if he really is insecure, it will probably split them up in the long run. But if I were you, I'd write this one off and find someone better.

 

[terran2k]

did she ever see you with other women? you obviously saw her with that other guy.
she probably liked that he had the strength to call her on her BS.
Those two girls probably like it too, hence why they do what they do.

 

[Sandow]

So be more of an a$$hole!! Seriously.

Every now and then I'll go through a phase where I just don't give a fuk and become a total dik! It's awesome! I'm actually getting really close to that right now, I'm getting fed up with all these dumb broads and their games.

Anyhow, these girls are obviously responding to this guy who's a major ashole. Perhaps thats just how the girls are in your area. If I were you, I would just become a total jerk and see how it goes. It usually ends up well.

 

[Groovy]

WOMEN ADORE A-HOLES............despite what they say.

Even high self esteem women? I think not...