unwilling tattoo?

[penkitten]

http://www.wlky.com/news/9944989/de...l=lou_12pm&tmi=lou_12pm_1_11000209272006&ts=H

the man in this link is in prison for raping and murdering a 10 yr old girl. rumors have been going around that a relative of the child was at the same prison and tattoed this guy unwillingly for revenge so that everyone that ever looks at him will be reminded of his deadly deeds , other rumors suggest he did it himself out of pride.

now that you clicked on the link, do you think we should tattoo everyones head that rapes or murders children?

DISCUSS.

 

[KillaCam]

I would love to see all murders and rapists tattoo'd for life. But, then again, it's a matter of ethics. They did wrong, but, it's not really in our poower to turn them into the victim.

 

[adpreston1988]

I definitely think they should be tattood as well. Not only to remind them of what they did everyday, but for the protection of society. Wouldn't you want to know if you're being followed by a rapist/murderer?

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Then you get into the issue of "What if they end up regretting their crime and changing their lives around" People have done it.

Tattooing somebody who murdered or raping somebody isn't really something that should be considered, especially if he did it himself (which I doubt).

Lock him up in solitude. Give murderers and rapists no interaction with the prison population. Solitude will give a man more problems than a tattoo. The worst thing for a person is their own mind...

 

[Porky]

I definitely think they should be tattood as well. Not only to remind them of what they did everyday, but for the protection of society. Wouldn't you want to know if you're being followed by a rapist/murderer?

slippery slope...

 

[Wyldfire]

You can bet the guy was pinned down against his will by the run of the mill violent offenders and they put the tattoo on his forehead against his will. Child rapists (especially the ones who also kill their victims) are the single most hated prisoners. Sex Offenders against children usually end up having to serve their time in protective custody because they get the living crap kicked out of them on a daily basis if they are in general population. All the murderers, robbers and drug dealers doing time have children too...and they despise pedophiles worse than anyone else in prison.

All violent sex offenders and any sex offender of a child under 13 should not only be tattooed on their face but be castrated, lobotomized and locked away for the rest of their lives because sex offenders do NOT get better.

 

[oakraiderz2]

Yea, and everyone with an std should be labelled. Everyone who does something wrong should be labelled a delinquent...

 

[doctoroxygen]

All violent sex offenders and any sex offender of a child under 13 should not only be tattooed on their face but be castrated, lobotomized and locked away for the rest of their lives because sex offenders do NOT get better.

I'm sure glad you're not in charge of our prison system. Castration doesn't cure paedophilia, and nor does lobotomization. Paedophilia is a psychological (NOT psychobiological, either) disorder, not a sexual one. Castration and lobotomies can't be reversed in light of new evidence, and their usage would be motivated purely by revenge. Would I want someone who harmed my child to be punished severely? Absolutely. But in a disinterested citizen's eyes, revenge is distasteful and not the aim of our judicial system.

 

[Slevin]

now that you clicked on the link, d...fe, whether the victim still breathes or not.

 

[Wyldfire]

I'm sure glad you're not in charge of our prison system. Castration doesn't cure paedophilia, and nor does lobotomization. Paedophilia is a psychological (NOT psychobiological, either) disorder, not a sexual one. Castration and lobotomies can't be reversed in light of new evidence, and their usage would be motivated purely by revenge. Would I want someone who harmed my child to be punished severely? Absolutely. But in a disinterested citizen's eyes, revenge is distasteful and not the aim of our judicial system.

My view isn't about revenge...it's about the protection of children from sexual predators. Pedophiles can NOT be cured. They will ALWAYS have a sexual desire for children. Until one kills a child they are viewed as non-violent and prison typically has a revolving door for pedophiles. Remember...I used to visit someone in prison for about 5 years. I've seen pedophiles inside prison as a result. One sick b@stard was repeatedly caught leering at children visiting their parents and masterbating publicly while looking at them. You know what he used to say about him raping a little 3 year old girl? He said that she wanted it and asked for it. You may be okay with people like that being on the street, but as a mother...I don't want him anywhere near children.

 

[Porky]

All violent sex offenders and any sex offender of a child under 13 should not only be tattooed on their face but be castrated, lobotomized and locked away for the rest of their lives because sex offenders do NOT get better.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/2001-09-04-wickham.htm

The title of that article is "Castration often fails to halt offenders." It even states that some sex offenders volunteer for castration. Sure, most of them are doing it to lessen their prison sentences, but I know of at least one article I read in which a pedophile castrated himself after being denied chemical castration because he said that he wanted to stop the perverted thoughts that were constantly running through his mind. Maybe he was lying, or maybe he was telling the truth, but either way he was attempting to get rid of the problem.

I agree with doctoroxygen. Your ideology seems to be more about revenge rather than just punishment or rehabilitation.

You may be okay with people like that being on the street, but as a mother...I don't want him anywhere near children.

By the way, that's a really low blow. I'm so sure that docox is pro-pedophile. good point.

 

[Wyldfire]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/2001-09-04-wickham.htm

The title of that article is "Castration often fails to halt offenders." It even states that some sex offenders volunteer for castration. Sure, most of them are doing it to lessen their prison sentences, but I know of at least one article I read in which a pedophile castrated himself after being denied chemical castration because he said that he wanted to stop the perverted thoughts that were constantly running through his mind. Maybe he was lying, or maybe he was telling the truth, but either way he was attempting to get rid of the problem.

I agree with doctoroxygen. Your ideology seems to be more about revenge rather than just punishment or rehabilitation.



By the way, that's a really low blow. I'm so sure that docox is pro-pedophile. good point.

A low blow to who? The reality is that pedophiles who don't kill their victims are doing very low sentences if any actual time at all. There was one pedophile who lived in a town I was living in who had molested dozens of very young kids (3 months up to 5 or 6 years old) who didn't serve any time. Prisons are full of drug addicts and often there is a lack of space because of that and pedophiles don't go to jail. Even if they do get treatment they do NOT get better. Yes, castration in and of itself sometimes isn't at all effective which is why I made mention of lobotomy. The prefrontal cortex (the part affected by a lobotmy) is the area of the brain where planning complex cognitive behaviors, personality expression and moderating correct social behavior takes place. It's actually a better option than castration and far more effective than any amount of therapy, medication or sex offender program.

I realize it's an illness and pedophiles can't help how they are. That being said...children should not pay for the illness of pedophiles by being molested, raped, tortured and killed. It's about protecting children from sexual predators, period. If that means castrating, lobotomizing and locking pedophiles up for life, so be it...as long as children are safe.

 

[wayword]

Yea, and everyone with an std should be labelled. Everyone who does something wrong should be labelled a delinquent...

Good idea - if it's a "permanent" one like herpes, HPV or HIV. Have a designated spot in an intimate area and symbol to use.

Same with hard crimes like rape, violent assault or murder - but somewhere more visible like maybe the top of the hand.

Wouldn't this serve as a good preventative measure and reduce repeat offenses?

 

[Skel]

I think all child molesters and rapists should not be allowed back into society ever. Therefore a totoo on their head matters not.

 

[cant think of a user name]

Same with hard crimes like rape, violent assault or murder - but somewhere more visible like maybe the top of the hand.

Wouldn't this serve as a good preventative measure and reduce repeat offenses?

Violent assault and murder is often spontaneous and unplanned (i.e. a very very big mistake); this does not make it any less wrong, but they will serve their time in prison when convicted (although not everyone will agree on the sentences). Tattooing/labelling them will only serve to further alienate them from the general population and destroy any chance of rehabilitation.

It is definitely not a good preventative measure because if and when that individual is released back into the public, they will find it all but impossible to fit into normal society because of the negative stigma attached to the permanent label on "the top of the hand". This can lead to them actively seeking out criminal sub-cultures as a way to fit in and be "normal" with others who have been similarly stereotyped, which is likely to lead to more, not less crime.

 

[Wyldfire]

Violent assault and murder is often spontaneous and unplanned (i.e. a very very big mistake); this does not make it any less wrong, but they will serve their time in prison when convicted (although not everyone will agree on the sentences). Tattooing/labelling them will only serve to further alienate them from the general population and destroy any chance of rehabilitation.

It is definitely not a good preventative measure because if and when that individual is released back into the public, they will find it all but impossible to fit into normal society because of the negative stigma attached to the permanent label on "the top of the hand". This can lead to them actively seeking out criminal sub-cultures as a way to fit in and be "normal" with others who have been similarly stereotyped, which is likely to lead to more, not less crime.

Non sexual violent crime can sometimes be attributed to substance abuse, crimes of passion, stupidity, etc. Anyone who commits a violent crime because they were addicted to drugs, caught their spouse in bed with someone else, got into a fight...stuff like that...those people CAN be rehabilitated. I don't think labelling them is a good idea...in fact, I think we should go out of our way to give ex cons like that a second chance. Sexual predators and serial killers are an entirely different breed of criminals. They can NOT be rehabilitated and if allowed back in society WILL reoffend, no doubt about it. Yeah, they are sick but so what...just because they are sick it doesn't mean that the rest of society don't deserve to be protected against them. Label those sexual predators and start releasing those violent offenders who CAN be productive members of society to put all the sex offenders away forever. The rotating door of prisons for sex offenders (especially pedophiles) is downright disgusting.

Sorry...I'm very passionate about this issue...as nearly all parents are. I'm sick of sexual predators like Joseph Duncan who kept getting let out of jail or never even put in after repeatedly molesting children. If they lobotomized and locked Duncan's arse up and kept him there after the first time Dylan Groene and his mother, older brother and step father would still be alive and his sister Shasta would not have the terrible scars she does now of being repeatedly raped and witnessing most of her family murdered. Sorry docoxygen...I have NO sympathy for the suffering of the Joseph Duncan's of the world. My sympathy goes to the Shasta Groene's instead, as it should.

 

[Porky]

I have NO sympathy for the suffering of the Joseph Duncan's of the world. My sympathy goes to the Shasta Groene's instead, as it should.

who does? please don't imply that we support sex offenders in some way.

the problem with castration and lobotomizing is that, like the death penalty, it is undoable. permanent. like docoxygen said, you can't put a part of somebody's brain back in, and you can't re-attach their testicles if new evidence arises proving them to be innocent.

A low blow to who?

to doctoroxygen

 

[doctoroxygen]

Sorry docoxygen...I have NO sympathy for the suffering of the Joseph Duncan's of the world. My sympathy goes to the Shasta Groene's instead, as it should.

I've found that this is a common response to a lot of my moral stances. The first problem here is that you're seeing sympathy as a zero-sum, where there's only so much sympathy to go around. Secondly, of course I don't feel sorry for paedophiles, nor do I want children to be assaulted. That said, I believe there are inalienable rights that we all have by virtue of being born human. Since even convicted paedophiles are still human beings, they are entitled to these "human rights." Among these are the freedoms from cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. Unnecessary castration, lobotomization, and tattooing are all cruel and degrading.

 

[Wyldfire]

who does? please don't imply that we support sex offenders in some way.

the problem with castration and lobotomizing is that, like the death penalty, it is undoable. permanent. like docoxygen said, you can't put a part of somebody's brain back in, and you can't re-attach their testicles if new evidence arises proving them to be innocent.




to doctoroxygen

Firstly, pedophiles are the easiest sex offenders to track. They come with long histories of inappropriate behavior, molestations, lewd behavior, etc. I'm so sick of hearing the "new evidence" argument. When a sex offense takes place there is almost always DNA left behind. Scientific capabilities today can provide plenty of solid evidence that someone is guilty. The only cases you hear of now where people are proven innocent is because Science has advanced enough to pull and match DNA that it wasn't possible to match and pull 10 or more years ago. Any NEW cases, if there is even so much as a hair left behind the DNA will prove who left it beyond any reasonable doubt.

Bottom line...sex offenders do NOT belong in society. Unfortunately, too many bleeding hearts foolishly think they can be cured and deserve a second chance. No, sex offenders do NOT deserve a second chance. The judicial system doesn't even put most pedophiles behind bars...they just trust them to report while more and more children get molested and hurt. I say BS...lock them up and throw away the key.

And screw all this "low blow" BS. What he said to me was far more insulting and more of a "low blow" than what I said to him...so don't waste your breath on that one unless you intend to chastize docoxygen equally. That is all...

 

[Wyldfire]

I've found that this is a common response to a lot of my moral stances. The first problem here is that you're seeing sympathy as a zero-sum, where there's only so much sympathy to go around. Secondly, of course I don't feel sorry for paedophiles, nor do I want children to be assaulted. That said, I believe there are inalienable rights that we all have by virtue of being born human. Since even convicted paedophiles are still human beings, they are entitled to these "human rights." Among these are the freedoms from cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. Unnecessary castration, lobotomization, and tattooing are all cruel and degrading.

Is mandatory castration, lobotomization and a tattoo on their hand worse than having to register as a sex offender and having your name and face plastered all over the internet, flyers and community? Hard to say. I have a better solution. If you don't want them to suffer in order to protect the rest of society who has the right not to be raped and murdered by sexual deviants then just kill them humanely and be done with it.