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This is my first time here. I'm working hard at overcoming an avoidant personality to get out and meet people, and especially women. I've always had very poor success in the past with women, and it's contributed a lot to my avoidant personality.

This Friday I made myself go out, and it was a great success. Went out to a bar with a couple guys I work with, got a little drunk, lowered my inhibitions, and had fun.

But it was better than that, even, or so I thought. When we got there, we met with a couple other people one of my workmates knew. After a while, a friend of theirs showed up. She was a very attractive, though somewhat goofy/nerdy girl in an unflattering halloween costume, but you could tell that she had a nice figure underneath. Completely my type, let me tell you. I could tell immediately she was intimidated by me, because after introductions, she wouldn't even look at me for a good 5 minutes, even though there were just maybe five of us standing in a group talking (she was making eye contact with everyone else).

Well, a few minutes later I took my chance to get her talking. From there, things went great. She responded very positively for the rest of the night, we talked and played pool for the next hour or so until the bar closed. She stood very close to me and gave me all sorts of positive signals, and there's no question she was attracted and interested. Both of the guys I was with took the opportunity to pull me aside and say something like "she's totally into you, you'd better get her number." In fact, even HER friend indicated this to me.

And I did, as the bar was closing up. She even reminded me to call her as she left. So of course I was feeling great about this, because I never go out, and here I forced myself to go out and enjoy myself and it couldn't have gone better.

So I called her the next afternoon. I saw no reason to wait a couple of days. She had clearly been interested the night before, and like I said, she was a little goofy/nerdy and intimidated by me. I wanted her to know I was interested and serious about it. I got voicemail and I left a brief message saying I'd like to take her to dinner.

Now it's been almost 24 hours (made the call around 5:30 yesterday) and I haven't heard back. What should I make of this? Is it possible she's changed her mind about me that quickly? More importantly, what should I do if she never calls back? I'm certainly not hung up on this girl, since I barely know her. But still, we had a good connection and opportunities like this are few and far between for me. Plus it would be yet another in a long string of blows to my ego, and it's really starting to get to me.

It's still possible she'll call back later today, but I'm not optimistic about it. I was thinking I could give one more shot with a text if I don't hear from her by tomorrow evening. After all, I really don't have anything to lose. But can anyone give me insight into why she wouldn't call back? It really doesn't make sense to me. She wasn't drunk, I didn't do anything to offend her, and there was a clear attraction.
 

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First off, keep in mind for next time, it wouldn't hurt to wait a few days before calling.. Second, be patient.. based on your writing, your thinking about it too much and sound anxious. give it a few more days, if she doesn't call back then give her a call again..

I know one girl I met at a speed dating event, I emailed and never got a response. then I called her up, left a message, and she called back a couple of days later. (Was able to get her to come out, even though she lived in another state). sometimes they are genuinely busy with their schedule or absorbed with their work.
 

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Time to read the DJ bible.


1. Should have waited a few days (there are exceptions)
2. Dont leave voice mail
3. Dont text (there are exceptions)

At this point I would probably forget about her, but why dont you give her a cal in the next two days, even a week and see if she responds.


No woman is too busy to give you a call.
 

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Lucifero said:
idk...some women really are busy.
no one is too busy to spare a few minutes to pick up the phone and return a call to someone they deem Important.
 

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J Roc said:
no one is too busy to spare a few minutes to pick up the phone and return a call to someone they deem Important.
I remember some b*tch told me that I was like '***** get the fvck out of here with that bs answer"
 

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they can be strange to read at times when they appear to have an IL, yet don't get in touch. I'd be inclined to give her 2-3 days, then if nothing from her, give her one more call, or a text. If she doesn't repond after THAT, then please move on from her, you did all you could. If theyre interested, they'll let you know one way or another. (I had this recently, where a chick wouldnt respond, yet i knew she wasnt busy - her IL had plummeted).
 

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PapiChulo said:
Time to read the DJ bible.


1. Should have waited a few days (there are exceptions)
2. Dont leave voice mail
3. Dont text (there are exceptions)

At this point I would probably forget about her, but why dont you give her a cal in the next two days, even a week and see if she responds.


No woman is too busy to give you a call.

The OP does need to read the Bible, but the reason the girl hasn't called yet (or at all) has NOTHING to do with the reasons you gave above.

The whole point that 99% of inexperienced guys miss is the level of attraction and interest you created on the initial meet. Whether a girl had a good time or not, doesn't matter; all that matters is how GOOD the guy was at capturing interest.

Based on the OP's version of the night, things went well. However, if I had a nickel for every time a guy posts on here saying how well the date went and still hasn't received a call back, I'd be loaded for life. Let's break down the reasons you gave:

1) Waiting a few days: Waiting a few days has its merits, but if the girl had low to no interest, it wouldn't matter if you waited a day or a week; she's not responding to your calls. Likewise, if you create a strong level of attraction (mental, emotional, physical) and call the next day, the girl will be excited to hear from you. Realize when a girl has high interest, she throws caution to the wind and follows her emotions.

2) Voice mail: This is hilarious... let me guess your reasoning, "it creates mystery" ohhhhhhhh. Well guess what, if a girl isn't interested it won't matter whether the OP leaves a message or not, she's not biting. What you should say about voicemails, is to never leave a long detailed voicemail; instead to keep it simple and brief.

3) Don't text: Are you living in 2010? Most people now days almost exclusively communicate through text, yes there is something to be said about hearing a guy's voice and all that, but text (unfortunately) is the main form of communication now days. Again, if she likes him, she's not gonna care if he texts, IM's, emails, snail mails etc.


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The sheer amount of over-analyze that this board teaches is pretty sad. Work on developing your game to a level so strong that you decisively create a STRONG level of attraction right off the bat. If you get good at this, phone game, flaking, mind games etc are GREATLY minimized.





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Pimp-sicle said:
The sheer amount of over-analyze that this board teaches is pretty sad. Work on developing your game to a level so strong that you decisively create a STRONG level of attraction right off the bat. If you get good at this, phone game, flaking, mind games etc are GREATLY minimized.
Its difficult not to agree with this, as you say what matters is building rapport in the first place. If she is truly into you, then the little mistakes after aren't as important.

I would avoid voicemail as a rule of thumb though. I always call first and if no reply, then send a text. I don't do anything else after that.

OP - leave it a few days and try and call again, then just be nonchalant about the previous call and don't bring it up if you don't have to. If no reply that time then I'd forget about it.
 

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After a # close, I usually will send a short, funny text the next day, and gauge the response. If she writes back and clearly wants to continue the banter, I'll call her after a day or so to make plans. If she texts back a one word answer, I won't call her, but might shoot her a "bulk text" along with other girls I've recently met. If she doesn't respond, I'll delete her number.

You should forget about this one--if she wants to see you again, she'll call you back. You will feel worse when you try texting her and she ignores you again. YOU are the prize; if she can't get her s#it together, that's her tough luck.

You'd be amazed how many girls will contact you after a few days when they figure out that you will not be trying to contact them again.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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I dont think that leaving voice mail even comes into play here. It just offers the woman too much time to respond/not respond, thus eventually flake and have buyer's remorse. You want to reach her when she is free- if there is voice mail, she probably doesnt want to talk to you or doesnt recognize the number.

Plus, you can really work your magic with the voice mail.


Texting, yes, we do, but it's a p*ussy way of communication thats still way too impersonal. It takes guts to talk to someone on the phone. It's genuine and in the moment. Therefore people simply text because it's easy, safe, gay for the most part, and doesnt require any response or a "timely response" whatsoever.

First contact should be on the phone, live. No arguing here.

I had women text me, e-mail me, making excuses why they cannot call me - why? Because they dont have guts to do it on the phone.

No call returned for so long is simply disrespectful. It takes 2 mins to dial a person up, isnt it.

There is a lot of talk about initial attraction, yet you are still a stranger to her, and it's always in her mind... ignoring the rules would be unwise in this situation. Furthermore, the OP says she is already into him, needless to say he probably fuked it up sometime after the fact.
 

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PapiChulo said:
I dont think that leaving voice mail even comes into play here. It just offers the woman too much time to respond/not respond, thus eventually flake and have buyer's remorse. You want to reach her when she is free- if there is voice mail, she probably doesnt want to talk to you or doesnt recognize the number.

Yo Papi, I here what your saying dude, but your missing the boat here with the voicemail, text conversation. Your putting the cart before the horse so to speak; and while I agree with you that live phone conversation definitely is better than text, IM etc, the reality is that NONE of that analysis even matters if the guy does not do his job right on the initial meet.

Texting, yes, we do, but it's a p*ussy way of communication thats still way too impersonal. It takes guts to talk to someone on the phone. It's genuine and in the moment. Therefore people simply text because it's easy, safe, gay for the most part, and doesnt require any response or a "timely response" whatsoever.

Again this is a bit of your built in "DJ Rules," which I can't blame you for, but as you gain more and more experience you'll realize that this is a little bit of "I'm too Alpha to text," where I'm trying to teach what gets results. What would you rather have, a HB that your f-in' on a regular basis and wants you or a girl who's number you got and didn't get anywhere after because you only wanted to talk on the phone? Again I'm not saying I don't agree with you on the whole phone vs text thing, but with younger girls its reality that they predominantly like to text.

First contact should be on the phone, live. No arguing here.

I disagree, first contact should be made period. Once you get a response then you can focus on your goal, which is to get her to go out with you.

I had women text me, e-mail me, making excuses why they cannot call me - why? Because they dont have guts to do it on the phone.

This is more of a reflection of the woman's low interest in you because there wasn't enough or any attraction created and then elevated in the time you spent together. Whether it was one meeting, a few or several.

No call returned for so long is simply disrespectful. It takes 2 mins to dial a person up, isnt it.

Its not disrespectful, its telling him that she is NOT interested. And he should realize he didn't do his job right on the night they met. A woman with high interest will call back in a reasonable time.

There is a lot of talk about initial attraction, yet you are still a stranger to her, and it's always in her mind... ignoring the rules would be unwise in this situation. Furthermore, the OP says she is already into him, needless to say he probably fuked it up sometime after the fact.

Dude are you serious with your stranger comment? When you meet a girl and you do an incredible job of creating attraction (mentally, sexually), she will NOT think of you as a stranger. Instead she'll be waiting for you to call so she can see you again.

If you live in a box of rules, you WILL miss out and mess up a lot of situations where you could have laid, dated several girls. Guidelines are good to have and can keep you grounded when you start to stray, but once you know how to game woman, each situation is unique in how you should proceed after the initial meet. Don't fall into the trap of following a cookie cutter formula for every girl you meet.






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This is absolutely ridiculous. Can you guys hear yourselves? Wait a few days, wait a couple more days, maybe text or phone, oh if she didnt answer or reply, then I guess it's next-garbage. You aren't nexting the girl, you're nexting yourself. Too much mental masturbation. Call her when you want, if she doesn't answer, its up to you what route you want to take.

Nobody here has ''options''. As much as they might think they do. Just go to Encycopedia Dramatica. Best review of what is up in here.
 

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I agree with no texting.

I call the b*tch 1 or 2 days after. I leave a voicemail, telling her to call me back.

Most women call me back the same day or the day after.

If she doesn't call me back or waits a long ass time, I kick the b*tch to the curb. Women are too plentiful for me to deal with her bullsh*t.
 

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It's only a guideline with its own exceptions as I originally stated - whatever works for you, your style, your image, etc. PUA, The Man, Chump game- whatever.

One thing: don't make it about the woman, it's all rather about you, so you do whatever you want for the exception of catering to the woman's tastes.

I choose not to text or leave voice mail, and go the direct route simply because that's way I ve been conditioned. If she doesn't like it, she is not for me.

Bananas or apples?
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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