unemployment under obama

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Why would he need to? According to your bullsh!t "statistics" everyone's got a job anyway.

Yep, college graduates are moving out of their parents homes in droves because they are getting hired by firms at a staggering rate. Military vets are coming home and going straight back to work since companies have been holding their positions open for years.

There are so many workers now that the payroll taxes from them will damn near erase the deficit by the next presidential election. These are the best of times.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I just bought a new Sony LED HDTV for my mom because her Samsung was going out probably from a certain part defect they had awhile back. Made in Mexico. OK that's better than China.

So Mexico gets the jobs producing TVs, and Obama is (illegally) trying to give 5 million illegal aliens from Mexico not just amnesty from deportation as the mainstream media only mentions but work permits, social security cards, and even more tax payer-supported benefits than they already are getting (earned income tax refunds, welfare, Social security disability, driver license etc).

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I just bought a new Sony LED HDTV for my mom because her Samsung was going out probably from a certain part defect they had awhile back. Made in Mexico. OK that's better than China.

So Mexico gets the jobs producing TVs, and Obama is (illegally) trying to give 5 million illegal aliens from Mexico not just amnesty from deportation as the mainstream media only mentions but work permits, social security cards, and even more tax payer-supported benefits than they already are getting (earned income tax refunds, welfare, Social security disability, driver license etc).

The politically correct name for them is "potential registered Democrat voters."

 

[Stagger Lee]

The politically correct name for them is "potential registered Democrat voters."

You got that right.

Some of the amnestied non-citizens will certainly be allowed to slip-in to vote with their driver license. Plus Obama is pandering to the legal citizen Hispanic voters (most of them legalized by a broad definition of birthright citizenship that gives the illegal's children born here automatic citizenship).

 

[Embers84]

Why would he need to? According to your bullsh!t "statistics" everyone's got a job anyway

The Bureau of Labor statistics are not "bullsh!t statistics". It is a government agency since 1884 that report accurate data on unemployment and with labor in the U.S.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics comes out with their jobs report on jobs created and unemployment each month and the media reports those accurate statistics. It has been done for Republican and Democrat presidents since 1884.

Right wingers only seem to have a problem when the statistics show good results for a Democratic President. Then they don't want to believe them and call them "bullsh!t statistics" like you.

Too bad, the country is getting better, and will continue to get better, thanks to President Obama's economic policies. Get mad and shake your fists in anger. :box:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Labor_Statistics

I just bought a new Sony LED HDTV for my mom because her Samsung was going out probably from a certain part defect they had awhile back. Made in Mexico. OK that's better than China.

So Mexico gets the jobs producing TVs, and Obama is (illegally) trying to give 5 million illegal aliens from Mexico not just amnesty from deportation as the mainstream media only mentions but work permits, social security cards, and even more tax payer-supported benefits than they already are getting (earned income tax refunds, welfare, Social security disability, driver license etc).

:crackup:

All you can do is blame Obama for everything, when your right wing republican presidents you adore, did the same damn thing when they were in office. Reagan and Bush gave amnesty to millions of illegals that took away good American jobs in the 1980's. George W Bush gave Visas to illegals to stay here for work, sucking up to Mexico's President Vicente Fox so he could get the Hispanic vote in 2004.

They were the ones that allowed illegals to get a foot hold in America creating the mess that ruined our country for decades. They had a chance to stop it, but dedided to give them amnesty and Visas instead. And not one right winger spoke out against what they did, but when Obama does it, they cry it's unconstitutional, illegal executive orders, and a travesty. There are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Right Wingers have no interest in doing anything about illegal immigration. They only use it for a political issue at election time when it suits them.

You mad about jobs being produced in other countries? Take it up with your GOP Senate who blocked the Democratic Senate Outsourcing Bill, that would prevent companies from outsourcing jobs to other countries. It would have created millions of news jobs and bolstered the economy.

Want to know why the GOP blocked it? They didn't want Obama to take credit for bringing jobs back here and a great economy. And their right wing corporation buddies would lose their huge tax breaks by coming back to the U.S. to pay higher taxes. So, your Republicans are screwing you, and the rest of us, just to play political politics, and to help out their rich friends keep some tax benefits they don't need. You are supporting their bullsh!t attacking Obama and Democrats for trying to do the right thing.



Reagan And Bush Made The Same Immigration Move That Has The GOP Enraged At Obama

http://www.businessinsider.com/reagan-and-bush-made-immigration-executive-orders-2014-11


President Barack Obama's anticipated order that would shield millions of immigrants now living illegally in the U.S. from deportation is not without precedent.

Two of the last three Republican presidents — Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — did the same thing in extending amnesty to family members who were not covered by the last major overhaul of immigration law in 1986.

There was no political explosion then comparable to the one Republicans are threatening now.

A tea party-influenced GOP is poised to erupt if and when Obama follows through on his promise. He wants to extend protection from deportation to millions of immigrant parents and spouses of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, and expand his 2-year-old program that shields immigrants brought illegally to this country as children.

"The audacity of this president to think he can completely destroy the rule of law with the stroke of a pen is unfathomable to me," said GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, an outspoken opponent of relaxing U.S. immigration law. "It is unconstitutional, it is cynical, and it violates the will of the American people."

Such strong feelings are common among congressional Republicans. GOP leaders warn that an executive order from Obama would "poison the well" and severely damage Republicans' willingness to work with the president during his final two years in office.

Some Republicans have even raised the possibility of impeachment.

Nearly three decades ago, there was barely a peep when Reagan and Bush used their authority to extend amnesty to the spouses and minor children of immigrants covered by the 1986 law.

In 1986, Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.

Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. In 1987, Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation.

Spouses and children of couples in which one parent qualified for amnesty but the other did not remained subject to deportation, leading to efforts to amend the 1986 law.

In a parallel to today, the Senate acted in 1989 to broaden legal status to families but the House never took up the bill. Through the INS, Bush advanced a new "family fairness" policy that put in place the Senate measure. Congress passed the policy into law by the end of the year as part of broader immigration legislation.

"It's a striking parallel," said Mark Noferi of the pro-immigration American Immigration Council. "Bush Sr. went big at the time. He protected about 40 percent of the unauthorized population. Back then that was up to 1.5 million. Today that would be about 5 million."

But a lawyer who worked on the 1986 law and the 1990 follow-up as an aide to then-Sen. Alan Simpson, R-Wyo., said Bush's action wasn't controversial because it came after lawmakers had made it clear they were going to tackle the issue.

That's not the case now.

"Bush Sr. took the action that he did but it wasn't as if Congress was legislating anything to the contrary," said Carl Hampe of Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy. "What's different now is that there is no clear path to legislative relief for the class of beneficiaries for which the president's order would provide relief."

Obama's announcement could come as early as this coming week and cover as many as 5 million people. Like Bush, Obama is expected to extend deportation protections to families of U.S. citizens or permanent residents.

"It's clear that it's fully within his legal authority to issue these orders," said Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas. He said Republicans 'didn't raise any objections in the past when Republican presidents issued similar orders. This is pure political theater."

Obama's anticipated action would not award legal status, but it would offer temporary protection from deportation and the possibility of obtaining a work permit.

"There's always some precedent for prosecutorial discretion," said Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz. "But this president would call tearing the Constitution into tiny little pieces in the White House prosecutorial discretion."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, is stopping short of threatening to use Congress' power of the purse to thwart any executive action by Obama. Boehner's priority is to avoid a government shutdown. But he made it clear that Republicans will make Obama pay a price if he carries out his threat.

"Every administration needs this and needs that, needs all kinds of things," Boehner said Thursday. "You know, if he wants to go off on his own, there are things that he's just not going to get."

 

[Embers84]

LOl, old argumentative Embers is really taking it hard from behind this time!

Old ignorant Mauser96 is taking it hard from behind again, because he is too stupid to read and comprehend that Reagan and Bush Sr. gave amnesty to millions of illegals that contributed to the illegal immigration problem we have today. They are the ones who created this mess through their own actions. Just like they ruined the economy, leaving it for Democrats to fix, but only to blame Democrats.

George W. Bush gave Visas to illegals to stay here and work, so he could get the Hispanic vote in 2004. Same right wing hypocrites blaming Obama, claiming that Executive Orders are illegal (when they are not) when their Republican Presidents did the same damn thing when they were President. You have no answer for that do you?





Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law.

At the time, the Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that about four million illegal immigrants would apply for legal status through the act and that roughly half of them would be eligible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986







Yep. Reagan did the A-word


"Ronald Reagan did amnesty."— Rudy Giuliani on Saturday, January 5th, 2008 in a debate in Manchester, N.H.


The GOP candidates keep sparring over who's tougher on immigration. In this climate, dem is fightin' words to say your opponent supports "sanctuary" or "amnesty" for illegal immigrants.


But as Giuliani reminded his foes during the Jan. 5, 2008, Republican debate, none other than Ronald Reagan, the patron saint of modern-day conservatism, signed the very law that Republicans call amnesty.

Say it ain't so!

Sorry. It's so. In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.

Some defenders of the law dispute the term "amnesty."

But here's how Edwin Meese, Reagan's former attorney general, characterizes what his boss did: "President Reagan called this what it was: amnesty. Indeed, look up the term 'amnesty' in Black's Law Dictionary, and you'll find it says, 'the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act provided amnesty for undocumented aliens already in the country.' "

Reagan signed the bill after Republicans and Democrats cobbled together an amnesty program in response to concerns from farmers worried about harvesting profits. The official record of congressional debates shows that lawmakers intended the program to provide a steady supply of labor for growers of perishable crops, such as cherries, grapes, peaches, etc. At the time the bill was written, however, "perishable" was defined so loosely that more durable crops such as potted plants, tobacco and seedlings were lumped in as well.

So even at the start, this program could be interpreted in ways that would benefit employers looking to save on wages.

To qualify for temporary status, migrants had to show they entered the United States before Jan. 1, 1982, and that they had continuously resided since then. They could get permanent residency within 18 months after that if they met certain requirements, such as learning English. The program took effect in 1987, also covering up to 350,000 people who had worked in U.S. agriculture at least 90 days in each of the preceding three years.

Many have called the program a success because it awarded green cards to 2.7-million migrants, giving them the hope of entry to the American middle class.

In exchange for the amnesty, the new law was supposed to have beefed up border patrols and stiffened fines for both the migrant workers and employers in cases of violation. Alas, the law failed to stop illegal immigration, and many critics of the law say the government never thoroughly regulated employers who skirted the law's requirements.

This much is certain: If the law aimed to curb illegal immigration, it failed: When the law was passed, there were about 5-million illegal immigrants; now, there's an estimated 12-million.

When Reagan signed the law, many predicted it would encourage the hiring of more migrants, especially outside of agriculture, and that this would spur the backlash against immigration that we're seeing today.

Giuliani, it would seem, brought up Reagan's legacy to show how difficult the immigration issue is. In doing so, he didn't trip any alarms on the Truth-O-Meter, which scores him a True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n/06/rudy-giuliani/yep-reagan-did-the-a-word/







Reagan and Bush Sr. Gave Amnesty to Immigrants without going through Congress, so What’s Wrong with Obama Doing the Same?


The uproar in Congress over President Barack Obama’s plan to grant amnesty to millions of immigrants stands in contrast to how lawmakers reacted 30 years ago when two Republican presidents took similar actions.

Obama has discussed ending the threat of deportation for millions of immigrant parents as well as spouses of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. He also wants to expand a program that protects illegal immigrant children from being sent back to their home countries.

With House Republicans having refused to budge on an immigration compromise, Obama has signaled his willingness to adopt the changes without congressional approval. That threat has incensed the GOP, particularly Tea Party members, with some threatening to impeach Obama if he follows through.

“The audacity of this president to think he can completely destroy the rule of law with the stroke of a pen is unfathomable to me,” Representative Steve King (R-Iowa) told the Associated Press (AP). “It is unconstitutional, it is cynical, and it violates the will of the American people.”

Defenders of Obama have pointed out that the president is only doing what Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush did in the 1980s when they granted amnesty to illegal immigrants without the help of Congress.

“There was no political explosion then comparable to the one Republicans are threatening now,” the AP’s Andrew Taylor wrote.

In 1989, the U.S. Senate approved a bill to expand legal status to unauthorized immigrant families. But after theHouse refused to consider the proposal, Bush used the Immigration and Naturalization Service to establish a “family fairness” policy that mimicked the Senate plan.

“It’s a striking parallel,” Mark Noferi of the pro-immigration American Immigration Council told the AP. “Bush Sr. went big at the time. He protected about 40 percent of the unauthorized population. Back then that was up to 1.5 million. Today that would be about 5 million.”

Obama has offered Republicans a way that would persuade him not to take unilateral executive action on immigration. “Give me a bill that addresses those issues,” he said. “I’ll be the first one to sign it and, metaphorically, I’ll crumple up whatever executive actions that we take and we’ll toss them in the wastebasket.”

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stor...-with-obama-doing-the-same-141118?news=854853

 

[Stagger Lee]

Reagan signed an Immigration Act of 1986 congress and democrats supported. That's not an executive action in defiance of both houses of congress that Obama has done.

Anyway, I don't care if Reagan or Bush 1 did something wrong with immigration. I don't support everything that Reagan did and very little that either of the Bushes did. That was 25 to 30 years ago. There's no excuse for Obama doing something that we clearly know from experience is wrong.

I don't let Republicans off the hook that reward illegals and increase immigration. Since all democrats are now on the white replacement immigration train, I'm against all democrats. You're just a political hack and support Democrats no matter what they do.

But your premise that Reagan and Bush 1 did the same thing that Obama is trying to do now is just liberal lies. It's not the same thing http://libertynews.com/2014/11/no-mr-obama-george-h-w-bush-did-not-give-amnesty-to-40-percent-of-illegals-in-1990/ and http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/the-weak-argument-defending-executive-amnesty/382906/.

 

[Embers84]

Reagan signed an Immigration Act of 1986 congress and democrats supported. That's not an executive action in defiance of both houses of congress that Obama has done.

Reagan and Bush took extra measures and went past Congress to ensure illegal aliens were protected and not deported with their own Orders that wasn't written in the law. That was a defiance when they both broadened the law without congressional authority. It is the same damn thing that you are crying over Obama doing.

Also, it is NOT illegal for a President to issue an Executive Order when that is part of the power given to a President. It is not Unconsitiutional when a President can issue orders he deems necessary. Right Wingers have problems when Democrats issue Executive Orders, they say it's Unconsitiutional. When Republicans issue an Executive Order, they don't say a peep and fully support it saying it's Constitutional. Again, they are hypocrites when they issued a ton of Executive Orders when they held power.

Anyway, I don't care if Reagan or Bush 1 did something wrong with immigration.

It's obvious that you don't care with your attitude. Well, you should care that Reagan and Bush did something wrong with immigration, because they were the ones that started the illegal immigration problem in the first place. You're a typical right winger, not caring what your party does, but you put the blame on the other party for doing the same thing. That is being a hypocrite, but as you said, you don't care as long as it's your party that does it. then it's ok.

I don't support everything that Reagan did and very little that either of the Bushes did. That was 25 to 30 years ago. There's no excuse for Obama doing something that we clearly know from experience is wrong.

If you don't support everything Reagan and what Bush did, then you should have the same outrage over their immigration policies that you have over Obama's since it is the same.

You right wingers sure love to re-write history, refuse to accept blame, and pretend it doesn't exist. So what if it was 25-30 years ago. Reagan and Bush are responsible for our illegal immigration problem today. They allowed millions of illegals to stay here and cross the border illegally with their families increasing our population. So, all those illegals who stayed under Reagan and Bush had kids adding to our population that you are angry about now. Just like Bush who destroyed our economy, and you blame Obama for that, pretending Bush didn't ruin it.

I don't let Republicans off the hook that reward illegals and increase immigration.

Anyway, I don't care if Reagan or Bush 1 did something wrong with immigration.

You sure are letting republicans off the hook, because you just said that you don't care that Reagan or Bush did something wrong with immigration. Why is that? You are letting them off the hook, the ones who created this mess, and are blaming Obama instead. You are lying.

Since all democrats are now on the white replacement immigration train, I'm against all democrats.

But you're not against all Republicans who allow American companies to outsource our jobs to foreign countries for huge tax breaks are you? Our economy will suffer because republicans refuse to allow American jobs to return home. And you don't seem to care because you're against Democrats for everything.

Actually, there still are Republicans in Congress from the Reagan and Bush Years. There still are Republicans in Congress from George W's years who supported Visas for illegals to work here. So. since Republicans have a big hand in it as well, why don't you show the same outrage against them?

You're just a political hack and support Democrats no matter what they do.

Not true at all. You're the hack, disregarding what the Republicans did to influence illegal immigration, and not holding them responsible only to blame Democrats. Not only are you a hack, you are a hypocrite. Again, what Reagan and the Bushes did is cemented in our history, they allowed illegal immigration to occur and it severly damaged our country. Obama's order has no effect yet, but you are blaming him instead of the damge your Republican party did for decades.

Republicans are the reason illegal immigration is what it is today, a disaster, since they signed it into law, and went around congress to broaden illegal aliens protections. The damage Reagan and both Bushes did, has been felt for decades.

But your premise that Reagan and Bush 1 did the same thing that Obama is trying to do now is just liberal lies. It's not the same thing

:crackup:

Yes, it IS the same thing. You are trying to deny it like a right winger does, hiding from the facts because you don't want to admit it.



"Ronald Reagan did amnesty."— Rudy Giuliani on Saturday, January 5th, 2008 in a debate in Manchester, N.H.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n/06/rudy-giuliani/yep-reagan-did-the-a-word/


Liberal Lies? Rudy Giuliani is no Liberal, and he says it's the same thing when he said that in a GOP Presidential debate. Politifact says it's true, and is the same thing after they investigated it. This article was written Sunday, January 6th, 2008, before Obama was even President. So, it's no "liberal lies' are that you are lying about.

Edwin Meese Reagan's former attorney general, is no "Liberal" and he says it's amnesty and the same. He enforced the law Reagan signed, so he knows more about it than you do. You're just parroting your right wing propaganda you hear. They are lying to you and you eat it up without knowing the facts.


But here's how Edwin Meese, Reagan's former attorney general, characterizes what his boss did: "President Reagan called this what it was: amnesty. Indeed, look up the term 'amnesty' in Black's Law Dictionary, and you'll find it says, 'the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act provided amnesty for undocumented aliens already in the country.' "

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n/06/rudy-giuliani/yep-reagan-did-the-a-word/



So, after all of that, you are denying the Republicans did anything wrong calling it "liberal lies" when all the facts are there and is cemented in history. Two Republican officials say it's the same, and they know more about it than you. All you do is parrot the propaganda you hear believing in false information. You are going to deny it happened, and continue to blame Obama and the Democrats. That is what a typical right winger does, deny the actual truth and blame Democrats for what they did as well.

Liberty News is a right wing hack site that opposes Democrats. Rudy Giuliani and Edwin Meese are Republicans that know and said it's the same, and you are trying to deny it. Get better sources and get informed, because the direct GOP sources debunked your propaganda.

 

[Embers84]

Wow I cannot believe Embers is still posting this propaganda.

We all know the labor force participation rate is at an all time low, which when factored in means unemployment is at record highs.

Ah the deluded left, lol.

No, the deluded right because you're one of them parroting the same bullsh1t as them. The Labor Participation Rate is NOT at an all time low. That's the propaganda your right wingers tell you that you eat up.


Average Labor Participation Rate
63.01 percent from 1950 until 2015

Current Labor Participation Rate
62.70 percent in March of 2015

So, a 0.31% down tick in the Labor Participation Rate, due to old people retiring since there are more of them retiring now than ever before (and will continue to at huge rates until 2030), and you right wingers are trying to use that as an issue against Obama. That's really pathetic and proves that you and the right have nothing to use against Obama.


Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States decreased to 62.70 percent in March of 2015 from 62.80 percent in February of 2015. Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States averaged 63.01 percent from 1950 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 67.30 percent in January of 2000 and a record low of 58.10 percent in December of 1954. Labor Force Participation Rate in the United States is reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate

63.01 percent from 1950 until 2015
62.70 percent in March of 2015
58.10 percent in December of 1954

The lowest Participation Rate was in December of 1954 at 58.10%

The current Participation Rate is 62.70%. That is not the lowest of all time. That is a lie.





Unemployment Unchanged at 5.5 Percent for March 2015

The unemployment rate for March was 5.5 percent, unchanged from February, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Unemployment has been falling steadily and has been under six percent since September 2014.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000


Unemployment is at 5.5 Percent which is NOT record highs.

Right Wingers like you parrot what you hear from your right wing media without getting the facts so you are misinformed. Then you repeat that garbage on forums and in your daily lives making an ass out of yourself. Get the facts first before you speak.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Reagan and Bush took extra measures and went past Congress to ensure illegal aliens were protected and not deported with their own Orders that wasn't written in the law. That was a defiance when they both broadened the law without congressional authority. It is the same damn thing that you are crying over Obama doing.

They were applying it to an Immigration Act Congress passed. I'm not saying what they did was right in the first place.

Also, it is NOT illegal for a President to issue an Executive Order when that is part of the power given to a President. It is not Unconsitiutional when a President can issue orders he deems necessary. Right Wingers have problems when Democrats issue Executive Orders, they say it's Unconsitiutional. When Republicans issue an Executive Order, they don't say a peep and fully support it saying it's Constitutional. Again, they are hypocrites when they issued a ton of Executive Orders when they held power.

It is unconstitutional for the President and the executive branch to legalize illegal aliens. That is a congressional power.

It's obvious that you don't care with your attitude. Well, you should care that Reagan and Bush did something wrong with immigration, because they were the ones that started the illegal immigration problem in the first place. You're a typical right winger, not caring what your party does, but you put the blame on the other party for doing the same thing. That is being a hypocrite, but as you said, you don't care as long as it's your party that does it. then it's ok.

Either you're just dumb or a bad liar. The context of what I said was, I don't care if a Republican did something wrong with immigration. It's still wrong. I oppose any politician that does that. It doesn't give Obama the right to do it.

If you don't support everything Reagan and what Bush did, then you should have the same outrage over their immigration policies that you have over Obama's since it is the same.

I do have the same outrage. Fvck I already said that previously. But the thing is Reagan and Bush were operating under an Act of Congress which most Democrats supported. So Congress in 86-90'and the Democrats were too blame as well. How many times do I have to say any politicians that supported the immigration acts of 86 and 90 are wrong?

You right wingers sure love to re-write history, refuse to accept blame, and pretend it doesn't exist. So what if it was 25-30 years ago. Reagan and Bush are responsible for our illegal immigration problem today. They allowed millions of illegals to stay here and cross the border illegally with their families increasing our population. So, all those illegals who stayed under Reagan and Bush had kids adding to our population that you are angry about now. Just like Bush who destroyed our economy, and you blame Obama for that, pretending Bush didn't ruin it.

You keep creating that strawman. How does any of that justify Obama doing worse today after we already seen beyond and doubt that amnesty is failure? Obama is essentially creating an Amnesty act without Congress. Reagan and Bush didn't go that far. But even if we accept your false version of events that they did the same thing. It was wrong then and wrong today.



You sure are letting republicans off the hook, because you just said that you don't care that Reagan or Bush did something wrong with immigration. Why is that? You are letting them off the hook, the ones who created this mess, and are blaming Obama instead. You are lying.





But you're not against all Republicans who allow American companies to outsource our jobs to foreign countries for huge tax breaks are you? Our economy will suffer because republicans refuse to allow American jobs to return home. And you don't seem to care because you're against Democrats for everything.

Actually, there still are Republicans in Congress from the Reagan and Bush Years. There still are Republicans in Congress from George W's years who supported Visas for illegals to work here. So. since Republicans have a big hand in it as well, why don't you show the same outrage against them?




Not true at all. You're the hack, disregarding what the Republicans did to influence illegal immigration, and not holding them responsible only to blame Democrats. Not only are you a hack, you are a hypocrite. Again, what Reagan and the Bushes did is cemented in our history, they allowed illegal immigration to occur and it severly damaged our country. Obama's order has no effect yet, but you are blaming him instead of the damge your Republican party did for decades.

Republicans are the reason illegal immigration is what it is today, a disaster, since they signed it into law, and went around congress to broaden illegal aliens protections. The damage Reagan and both Bushes did, has been felt for decades.




:crackup:

Yes, it IS the same thing. You are trying to deny it like a right winger does, hiding from the facts because you don't want to admit it.



"Ronald Reagan did amnesty."— Rudy Giuliani on Saturday, January 5th, 2008 in a debate in Manchester, N.H.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n/06/rudy-giuliani/yep-reagan-did-the-a-word/


Liberal Lies? Rudy Giuliani is no Liberal, and he says it's the same thing when he said that in a GOP Presidential debate. Politifact says it's true, and is the same thing after they investigated it. This article was written Sunday, January 6th, 2008, before Obama was even President. So, it's no "liberal lies' are that you are lying about.

Edwin Meese Reagan's former attorney general, is no "Liberal" and he says it's amnesty and the same. He enforced the law Reagan signed, so he knows more about it than you do. You're just parroting your right wing propaganda you hear. They are lying to you and you eat it up without knowing the facts.


But here's how Edwin Meese, Reagan's former attorney general, characterizes what his boss did: "President Reagan called this what it was: amnesty. Indeed, look up the term 'amnesty' in Black's Law Dictionary, and you'll find it says, 'the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act provided amnesty for undocumented aliens already in the country.' "

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n/06/rudy-giuliani/yep-reagan-did-the-a-word/



So, after all of that, you are denying the Republicans did anything wrong calling it "liberal lies" when all the facts are there and is cemented in history. Two Republican officials say it's the same, and they know more about it than you. All you do is parrot the propaganda you hear believing in false information. You are going to deny it happened, and continue to blame Obama and the Democrats. That is what a typical right winger does, deny the actual truth and blame Democrats for what they did as well.

Liberty News is a right wing hack site that opposes Democrats. Rudy Giuliani and Edwin Meese are Republicans that know and said it's the same, and you are trying to deny it. Get better sources and get informed, because the direct GOP sources debunked your propaganda.

How many times can you keep repeating a strawman argument? You wrote a whole book here repeating the same strawman argument.

Let's talk about today. Obama and essentially all the Democrats are pro-amnesty and pro-immigration. The Republicans aren't on board with it. All your BS doesn't change that fact. I support any politician who opposes illegal and massive legal immigration, and I oppose any that supports immigration. Only Republicans are opposing immigration.

 

[dex44]

OP did get banned.

your a piece of garbage. the bible is garbage.

 

[dex44]

bush stole the election in 2000 in both the primary and general. McCain should have won the primary and he would've trounced gore in the general