UNDERemployed Male Millennials UnDate-able?

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Money matters. This is yet another example. It was discussed in length in these threads:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/mathematical-proof-money-0.240199/

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lets-talk-about-money.239952/

Is a man dead in the water if he is under-employed and living with his parents? I would say no.

Does a man with a career, a good job and his own place have a MASSIVE advantage in the dating market over guys who don't have that? I would say yes.

Oh lord... you done got this guy going again lol

 

[Tenacity]

I previously posted something earlier in regards to women having to possibly "settle" on men that are underemployed or in the blue collar field with incomes quite marginal.

Not talking about the UNemployed (in case you read the headline wrong), but those who have taken up warehouse jobs working forklifts, or become a Fed Ex driver (pretty decent company actually),and so on.

They've taken on these jobs because they couldn't find jobs in their chosen degree that should have warranted them a higher paying job. They usually remain unemployed after college while job hunting for THAT job, but push comes to shove...in order to survive and keep the lights on...they take on these low end jobs.

"But Peter Schiff has been saying for months that most of the jobs being created are low-paying, service jobs, not jobs that you can build a life around:"

Key words there, "build your life around." Would that be concerning for men who are on the prowl for ladies? Of course, they could date the waitress or cashier, right?

https://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/failure-launch-millennials-struggling-adulthood/

“In 1975, only 25% of men aged 25 to 34 had incomes of less than $30,000 per year. By 2016, that share rose to 41% of young men.”

Both male and females are still living with their parents will into their mid-30s. In times past, it used to be a thing to live with your parents, both male and female, until those younger people got married and got their own place together.

Do you think it'll go back to that? Of course, I can pretty much be sure that late 20s women living with their parents will be compatible with men in their late 20s ALSO living with their parents, or will that double standard of it being a turn off to women be still in place?

Or does this mean more and more men will start to struggle dating wise, although employed, they are underemployed and have pretty much made up their mind not to seek out future financial gains and remain in that employ until they start drawing social security?

Peter Schiff is 100% right. The Job market is one of the worse in history, despite the low unemployment percentage. The fact of the matter is that you just DO NOT have the type of jobs being created to support a family like you used to have.

- We've gone from jobs and inflation levels to where only ONE PERSON was needed to work and that one person could feed an entire household.

- To the 1970's with the inflation spiking through the roof, with at the same time the rise of feminism, now requiring TWO PEOPLE (man and woman) to support a household.

- To today, where even TWO PEOPLE are struggling to support a household.

This is why any idiot on this god damn forum talking about money doesn't matter, should be locked in a UFC cage with Brock Lesnar for 5 minutes so Brock can beat some sense into them.

 

[Urbanyst]

Peter Schiff is 100% right. The Job market is one of the worse in history, despite the low unemployment percentage. The fact of the matter is that you just DO NOT have the type of jobs being created to support a family like you used to have.

- We've gone from jobs and inflation levels to where only ONE PERSON was needed to work and that one person could feed an entire household.

- To the 1970's with the inflation spiking through the roof, with at the same time the rise of feminism, now requiring TWO PEOPLE (man and woman) to support a household.

- To today, where even TWO PEOPLE are struggling to support a household.

This is why any idiot on this god damn forum talking about money doesn't matter, should be locked in a UFC cage with Brock Lesnar for 5 minutes so Brock can beat some sense into them.

Everyone with an IQ over 12 knows money is a major factor in modern life and thus the dating market.

Fat women can say looks don't matter for attracting men all they want. Won't make it true. They might point to some fatty who managed to snag a decent looking guy as an example. Same parallel with the idiots here who say money isn't that important.

 

[ThisNThat]

I think it was probably watching a few different unemployed women berate, judge, and attack underemployed men - myself included - that made me swear off exclusivity for the foreseeable future, even though I am making decent money. Yes, I understand that raising a family costs money, but I don't understand the vitriol, hypocrisy, entitlement, and contempt.

Right, I'm in my 40s, and do well on my own to get by.

Speaking of which, you have your Generatino X'ers that had worked at a good company, for a while, only to have been laid off due to a by-off or something. They get a crappy severance.

I knew of a guy, mid 40s, that worked at General Motors, great money, of course we all know how that turned out. He wind up moving back in with his mother, then the only job he could find was at a local Home Depot. He did move out when he saved up some money, but now rents a small apartment.

He'll likely be at the Home Depot until he reaches his Soc. Security pay out, granted we'll even HAVE SS by then.

 

[user43770]

I personally focus on what I can and want to do, not what I can't and don't want to. If you're an underemployed dude and some chick doesn't want to date you because of that, what you should tell yourself if you want to think about that at all isn't "I need to do X so she will agree to date me", it's "do I want to do X?". You have to put pleasing yourself first, not other people.

I think it was @Bible_Belt who said work is for suckers, and I agree. I'd never work a non-career job for more hours a week than I needed for minimalist subsistence. Why would I want to spend my life working?

This.

Look inward and figure out what it is you truly want before you make a life-changing decision.

Do you really want to kill yourself working crazy hours, just so that you might be able to impress a fickle woman one day?

Focus on maximizing your bank account if you want to, but don't let that hold you back from meeting women now.

@Tenacity @Urbanyst @bigneil everyone knows that they need money to survive. You're preaching to the choir that is the universe. Guys come to this website because the want success with women now, not 5-10 years from now.

How about y'all try to help them with that? Your make money argument, while valid, isn't helping anyone right now.

@deesade is trying to help them with cold-approaching. @Bible_Belt shows them that he's getting laid without spending money. The things those guys are doing can be achieved immediately, which is what everyone here is looking for.

 

[user43770]

As for approaching, if anyone wants to think that's a quick solution to anything, I suggest they go out and try it. Go and do 10 approaches in the street for just one day, then come back and tell me how it's "immediate".

I can tell you that I immediately feel better after having done it. And it also reminds me that it isn't as bad as my mind made it out to be.

The fear of rejection is the biggest thing holding any man back, and cold-approaching is the only way to overcome it (or I guess you could strictly use online dating).

If getting laid is your goal, you'll have quicker success by ignoring your ego and approaching than by trying to become wealthy.

 

[ThisNThat]

I can tell you that I immediately feel better after having done it. And it also reminds me that it isn't as bad as my mind made it out to be.

The fear of rejection is the biggest thing holding any man back, and cold-approaching is the only way to overcome it.

If getting laid is your goal, you'll have quicker success by ignoring your ego and approaching than by trying to become wealthy.

I've done the cold approach in public...where I live, most women are with their boyfriends at the time...though you don't see the men at first...they usually round the corner.

I recall talking to this woman in a coffee shop as we were both waiting for coffee. There was an awkward silence as we waited, so I tried to strike up a conversation, but she was pretty cold and kept looking straight ahead and not making eye contact. Of course, I live in a rather fishbowl community, so if someone doesn't know you from childhood...they'd prefer not to know you at all. People around here aren't into making new friends or acquaintances on the fly.

I think that's where Meetups came from....that way when you approach a woman, she'd be more willing to engage you in conversation rather than to get all "stranger danger" on ya.

 

[user43770]

I've done the cold approach in public...where I live, most women are with their boyfriends at the time...though you don't see the men at first...they usually round the corner.

I recall talking to this woman in a coffee shop as we were both waiting for coffee. There was an awkward silence as we waited, so I tried to strike up a conversation, but she was pretty cold and kept looking straight ahead and not making eye contact. Of course, I live in a rather fishbowl community, so if someone doesn't know you from childhood...they'd prefer not to know you at all. People around here aren't into making new friends or acquaintances on the fly.

I think that's where Meetups came from....that way when you approach a woman, she'd be more willing to engage you in conversation rather than to get all "stranger danger" on ya.

Your environment will definitely dictate your approach. I never come on strong to begin with, though. Just make casual conversation until you feel comfortable enough to progress. If you find out she has a boyfriend, ok. No harm done.

Good job on putting yourself out there.

 

[Trainwreck]

The manosphere/red pill/whatever brainwashes his believer to have a defeatism/dooms day mentality. Why? Because this is how most right wing aligned ideologies keep the gas burning. Another negative mentality is the "money isn't everything bullshvt". 1) Money is everything and 2) they are fvcking lying too. Last, I graduated from an average college with mediocre grades and I still got a decent job out of college. GUESS WHAT, IF I WAS GOING AROUND THINKING THE WORLD IS DOOMED, EVERY WOMAN IS A FEMINIST ARMPIT HAIRED FREAK, AND ALL THE JOBS WERE FOR WOMENS AND ASIANS THEN I WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED MY ASS OFF CONFIDENTIALLY AND AGGRESSIVELY TO FIND A JOB!

 

[user43770]

I see what you mean. But I would argue that if your goal is getting laid or getting a girlfriend, social-circles remain the easiest way - which is what I was referring to.

I accept that the cold-approach isn't for everyone. Guys flashing cash need to realize that isn't for everyone, either.

We could probably all do with a having a little bit more respect for each other's game.

Social circles are definitely the easiest way. I was thinking in terms of guys that find their way to sosuave because they have no way at all. I don't want a young guy to read something and run with it, without hearing an opposing view. Same as in the tats thread.

 

[bigneil]

Do you really want to kill yourself working crazy hours, just so that you might be able to impress a fickle woman one day? Focus on maximizing your bank account if you want to, but don't let that hold you back from meeting women now. The things those guys are doing can be achieved immediately, which is what everyone here is looking for.

You're f*cking 30 years old and you're telling people not to work hard for a few years? Women "might" care if you have a career?? Readers should take your advice here, if they aspire to be a bum. You can achieve nothing immediately because you have no income.

Guys, by the time you are 30 you need to have 4+ years experience in a high paying trade or you will be broke your whole life, and that matters.

Some have the attitude that earning $1 is better than none, and in a perfect world I would agree, but that's not how welfare works. Welfare gives $65,000 in benefits to unemployed, butt-ugly, rude women as a matter of course. Until you earn $65,001 they are better off on welfare.

 

[user43770]

The manosphere/red pill/whatever brainwashes his believer to have a defeatism/dooms day mentality. Why? Because this is how most right wing aligned ideologies keep the gas burning.

Lol conservatism is based in reality, on things that have worked in the past and continue to work.

Liberals come up with the fairy tail ideas that ultimately fail, which they eventually blame on conservatism.

 

[user43770]

You're f*cking 30 years old and you're telling people not to work hard for a few years? Women "might" care if you have a career?? Readers should take your advice here, if they aspire to be a bum. You can achieve nothing immediately because you have no income.

Guys, by the time you are 30 you need to have 4+ years experience in a high paying trade or you will be broke your whole life, and that matters.

Some have the attitude that earning $1 is better than none, and in a perfect world I would agree, but that's not how welfare works. Welfare gives $65,000 in benefits to unemployed, butt-ugly, rude women as a matter of course. Until you earn $65,001 they are better off on welfare.

Everyone knows that they need money, neil. You contribute little to the conversation.

 

[bigneil]

Everyone knows that they need money, neil. You contribute little to the conversation.

You mean besides Libertarian politics, case studies, empirical evidence, raw statistics and working examples?

What did you contribute? A shoulder to cry on for the underemployed?

 

[bigneil]

Tell me TyTe doesn't have the COEXIST bumper sticker as their Avatar? What an atrocity.

 

[Urbanyst]

Focus on maximizing your bank account if you want to, but don't let that hold you back from meeting women now.

@Tenacity @Urbanyst @bigneil everyone knows that they need money to survive. You're preaching to the choir that is the universe. Guys come to this website because the want success with women now, not 5-10 years from now.

How about y'all try to help them with that? Your make money argument, while valid, isn't helping anyone right now.

Haha.. good old instant gratification culture. Gotta love it. The quick fix.

Maybe the world would be better off if people had more focus and patience. The need for instant gratification is childish. Plus there is lots of that rhetoric on this site already. I don't need to add to it.

Would you rather learn how to become a high value man who can pull hot girls with a wink or would you rather learn how to GRIND every day to beat out other men? I don't like to grind. I like to THRIVE. Its like that "teach a man to fish" saying. All guys need to fix their underlying personal problems before they focus too much on women. Lots of guys on this site are desperate. Its not a good look. And most are desperate because they are losers in the eyes of women. You don't fix that with game. You fix that by getting your life and your sh*t together. That's what I'm telling you when I talk about MONEY.

 

[user43770]

You mean besides Libertarian politics, case studies, empirical evidence, raw statistics and working examples?

What did you contribute? A shoulder to cry on for the underemployed?

This site was never about blowing your money on women, bud. Only you tried to make it so.

 

[user43770]

Tell me TyTe doesn't have the COEXIST bumper sticker as their Avatar? What an atrocity.

Look a little closer.

 

[Trainwreck]

Lol conservatism is based in reality, on things that have worked in the past and continue to work.

Liberals come up with the fairy tail ideas that ultimately fail, which they eventually blame on conservatism.

Give me a few examples of things that worked in the past, but do not now?

 

[Urbanyst]

Give me a few examples of things that worked in the past, but do not now?

Marriage.