Under What Circumstances Should a Guy Give Up Entirely?

[2Rocky]

Not necessary! Smash college students at the local watering hole on Saturday. Easy.

Eh, seems like a quick route to creepy old man status.

What OP mentions as "only options is with pro's" is
1) you are stuck in a Dead Bedroom marriage, with NO desire to go through the crucible of divorce. Think post age 50.
2) you have a health issue that dramatically lowers your physical appeal. Colostomy bag for instance. Mobility reduced (wheel chair bound).
3) You are relocated away from your wife and family for work for an extended time. Bedding a Pro keeps it purely sex release, not emotional. Don't ask, Don't tell...

 

[Gamisch]

It's a thin line between love and hate. First thing that comes to my mind is you should go back to actually loving women for what they are. This is different for each man. Women can pick up on a misogynist.

About prostitution. Never forget, any interaction with a woman needs some form of connection and seduction . The more she is into you, the better this will make YOUR experience . Also remember that these women are broken. They won't give you the "love " you might be looking for. You sound like the type of guy that would have to become a regular visitor to one or two specific prostitutes to mimic real attraction. But believe me , to find these you'll also have to weed out the bad ones. And that will take a lot of money and time.


if you are willing to take the plane to Europe you might find women like her and feck them for 50 bucks..
Just dont expect women like this will be 100 % receptive to you if you are a smelling fat old fart. You gotta work on yourself regardless. And yes, she is attractive but once you've paid she doesn't have to be nice or whatever anymore. I am just saying don't expect prostitutes to "bring back some type of faith in women " because regardless how they look, inside they're BROKEN people.

Why do you wanna fall back on prostitutes? Is there a specific reason?

 

[corrector]

It's a thin line between love and hate. First thing that come to my mind is you should go back to actually loving women for what they are. This is different for each man. Women can pick up on a misogynist.

About prostitution. Never forget, any interaction with a woman needs some form of connection and seduction . The more she is into you, the better this will make YOUR experience . Also remember that these women are broken. They won't give you the "love " you might be looking for. You sound like the type of guy that would have to become a regular visitor to one or two specific prostitutes to mimic real attraction. But believe me , to find these you'll also have to weed out the bad ones. And that will take a lot of money and time.


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Just dont expect women like this will be 100 % receptive to you if you are a smelling fat old fart. You gotta work on yourself regardless. And yes, she is attractive but once you've paid she doesn't have to be nice or whatever anymore. I am just saying don't expect prostitutes to "bring back some type of faith in women " because regardless how they look, inside they're BROKEN people.

Why do you wanna fall back on prostitutes? Is there a specific reason?

$300 for 24 hours? You've been with 10 of them while I've been with two and I have had no complaints (ie from the physical standpoint) apart from the paranormal consequences and reverberations which is out of anyone's control, including the escorts. (ie it's unlikely escorts cast spells against their clients afterwards unless they are part of a clandestine sex cult that's pretending to be an incall center and having sex with random guys is part of their rituals). Again with some of the stuff that's out there, you can never be sure there isn't a spiritual component that attacks you aftewrwards, especially if they are into something occultic that you don't know about..but that can happen with any woman, escort nor not.

 

[Gamisch]

$300 for 24 hours? You've been with 10 of them while I've been with two and I have had no complaints (ie from the physical standpoint) apart from the paranormal consequences and reverberations which is out of anyone's control, including the escorts. (ie it's unlikely escorts cast spells against their clients afterwards unless they are part of a clandestine sex cult that's pretending to be an incall center and having sex with random guys is part of their rituals). Again with some of the stuff that's out there, you can never be sure there isn't a spiritual component that attacks you aftewrwards, especially if they are into something occultic that you don't know about..but that can happen with any woman, escort nor not.

I dont know if agree with your spiritual take BUT I am Caribbean, and in my culture these believes are indeed widespread. So before everyone will roast you I have to say you might be on to something . It ,indeed might feck with your spiritual being. In my culture they're paranoid about wearing second hand jewelry because it will carry the bad spirit from the previous owner. Likewise they believe you might take over the negative energy from women like this..

Prostitutes can compliment your sex life , but never completely replace it. Like I said, just assume these women are broken,and they know damn well that under the right circumstances they would've been models/influencers or marry a rich beta cuck and be happily ever after.

I limited my visits to approximately 10 because for me visiting prostitutes is detrimental to my self being. Just like alcohol and drugs are. I simply can't handle it.

Dont forget this is an extreme example, but as you can see it's real. I told y'all before there are places where these type of women go for 30 Euro a pop.

 

[Epicwinguy]

From what I've seen, the men that struggle with women are lacking in one or more areas. They either need to improve or date lower SMV women. If you don't like that, then check out.

Its no different than anything else in life that requires effort and skill. Those that work the hardest, keep improving, and take risks get rewarded.

Adulthood isn't about getting a trophy just because you participated. That might have been the way it was during your childhood, but not adulthood.

Yes I got those as a young child. I always knew they didn't mean **** l. It's not participation trophies that are "spoiling" all these "lazy ass millennials."

 

[Hamurabimbi]

the guys I know who’ve given up, actually never started. A combination of meh looks, social anxiety, low self esteem & being nerdy dorks. I also suspect a lack of a father was involved.

 

[Bigpapa]

In your opinions, when should a guy give up on hooking up with women and stick to escorts? Is there a certain age? Is there a medical condition you think would make picking up chicks impossible? Under what circumstances should a guy give up?

Only if you reached a level of autism that you did not even thought is possible

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In your opinions, when should a guy give up on hooking up with women and stick to escorts? Is there a certain age? Is there a medical condition you think would make picking up chicks impossible? Under what circumstances should a guy give up?

Is said guy completely unsuccessful, including in the past? How old? Has he actually tried? Any glaring deficiencies that he possesses?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

When it's obvious you're not afforded goodwill from females.

Why? In many cases, it will take an honest friend to help. As am e.g. Had lunch with a buddy I suspect is an incel. He’s 4/10. Could easily be 5/10 or maybe a bit more if he tried. He has tried with women, but no luck. When eating with him, I noted he eats like a pig. Gross. I’m sure he has no idea. Sadly. I’m not sure how to approach this with him.

 

[lost_blackbird]

Only if you reached a level of autism that you did not even thought is possible

Actually, fairly mild autism is more than sufficient. A dislike of physical contact of ANY kind is
pretty common right across the board, couple that with social anxiety and poor people skills in
general and you have the holy trinity. Abstinence is far safer and less confusing. Autistic people
usually know they are autistic funnily enough and they usually know they are already in a losing
battle when it comes to such things. I haven't met an autistic person yet who enjoys failing at
anything, we take failure pretty badly. When its something entirely avoidable like being sociable
or intimate with other humans it's very easy to not fail in these areas by simply opting out.
We know we don't read signals so well and I can only speak for myself here but the thought of
misreading a situation and making an entirely unwanted advance is not only harrowing but
could potentially land you in trouble too.

 

[The Duke]

Yes I got those as a young child. I always knew they didn't mean **** l. It's not participation trophies that are "spoiling" all these "lazy ass millennials."

But many of your age group didn't know that. It's obvious by how they conduct themselves as adults.

 

[manfrombelow]

am just saying don't expect prostitutes to "bring back some type of faith in women " because regardless how they look, inside they're BROKEN people.

The journey of finding that "faith" in women again is YOUR OWN PERSONAL job.

If a man really (really) wants to have faith in women again, he has to do it himself, aka finding it inside of himself, including learning (and even unlearning) everything about himself and women as human beings.

The notion of finding a woman that "brings back your faith in women again" is just another fvcked-up form of Oneitis.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Why? In many cases, it will take an honest friend to help. As am e.g. Had lunch with a buddy I suspect is an incel. He’s 4/10. Could easily be 5/10 or maybe a bit more if he tried. He has tried with women, but no luck. When eating with him, I noted he eats like a pig. Gross. I’m sure he has no idea. Sadly. I’m not sure how to approach this with him.

In many it's beyond just having a friend help. If you're a 4/10 and you max is a 5, it's best to give up unless you have equally low standards. I'd imagine eating grossly is the least of his woes lol

 

[Mike32ct]

In many it's beyond just having a friend help. If you're a 4/10 and you max is a 5, it's best to give up unless you have equally low standards. I'd imagine eating grossly is the least of his woes lol

Even if a textbook male “4” wants to give up on dating/sex, he still might want to looksmax to “5” anyway. He’ll be treated slightly better at work and have an easier time making friends with men and women.

 

[bat soup]

When you have money to spare and lack looks/time/game/opportunities. Or whenever you feel like it because its your money.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Even if a textbook male “4” wants to give up on dating/sex, he still might want to looksmax to “5” anyway. He’ll be treated slightly better at work and have an easier time making friends with men and women.

Ehh, that's a stretch. And then, that has nothing to do with possibly dating. His co-workers not thinking he's not as pathetic doesn't exactly open the floodgates lol.

 

[SW15]

When he is frustrated, tired of dating games, doesn't want to improve, has better things to do than chase women, and doesn't want anything more than sex with a stranger.

This is the closest to what I think the answer is to this question.

Before giving up, a man does need to try various self-improvement tactics. Going to the gym and improving fitness, no porn & no fap, trying to get a promotion at work for a higher salary, etc.

If the self-improvement stuff does not work, then it's time to consider giving up.

Sometimes a lot of self-improvement won't make a difference.

I don't think this point occurs until around age 30 or later.

Years of rejections on approaches and too many "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions will lead to a desire to wanting to give up.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

In your opinions, when should a guy give up on hooking up with women and stick to escorts? Is there a certain age? Is there a medical condition you think would make picking up chicks impossible? Under what circumstances should a guy give up?

When your SMV is permanently below a certain threeshold and you cant get anything worth no matter how much effort or hardwork you put in it.

Short bald guy (nw 5 and above while -20% of average height) in his late 50s working an average job with a boring social life and living in a small town.

 

[corrector]

Even if a textbook male “4” wants to give up on dating/sex, he still might want to looksmax to “5” anyway. He’ll be treated slightly better at work and have an easier time making friends with men and women.

That's more like a 6 or 7 though.

 

[Mike32ct]

That's more like a 6 or 7 though.

More is certainly better. But I do think that 5.0 is the final “make or break” point. It’s the threshold of low tier normie (LTN).