Uncomfortable Situation with the G/F of a Friend

[ketostix]

I still don't see why even in the mating game that women couldn't control their impulses and behavior. You can say it's biological imperative for a man to want to sleep with as many women as possible, yet many men don't cheat and remain faithful to their wives. I don't see any reason why women intrinisically can't control their behavior in the mating game as well.

I honestly don't think there's any reason to separate women's ability to follow rules in the mating game from their ability to follow rules elsewhere. The only real reason you have a divergence of behavior is because women are simply held to no rules or consequences in the mating game.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Str8up,
It seems that no one has mentioned the obvious....If she will behave like that with him,she will do exactly the same to you....Neither of you has much style,him for tolerating her behaviour,you for playing along.

 

[jophil28]

Quality women will behave with some class even if they've nothing to lose.

Bingo ! And that is precisely my observation over many years.

 

[jophil28]

You aren't getting it dude. She wasn't "behaving badly".

It's how women are wired. Get used to it.

What you saw and experienced was socially sanctioned disrespect of a man by a woman ( his girlfriend).

To call it "wiring" is surrender...you are taking an impotent position.
Your instruction to "get used to it" further admits defeat and preaches to other men that they should just accept this behavior and adapt.

 

[jophil28]

Dear Str8up,
It seems that no one has mentioned the obvious....If she will behave like that with him,she will do exactly the same to you....Neither of you has much style,him for tolerating her behaviour,you for playing along.

HEy Scaramouche, have you been tracking the Jodi Gordon case ?
TO those of you in Nth America, Jodi is a well known TV actress in a local soap.
SHe is also know for a season on Dancing with the Ducks, and a few other lesser know appearances. SHe is an international fashion model and very hot to boot.
Anyways, she has a boyfriend. Not just any old B/f. This guy is the son of a TV network owner. Mega rich . They were a big glamor couple about town. Sunday papers society pages and so on.

Anyways a couple of nights ago she went out on a GNO , drank and partied on for a while , and was eventually located by the cops hiding in a bedroom with a notorious badazz crim biker.
SHe is claiming "loss of memory."
Her B/f is not amused, is not talking to her and apparently his family is really pizzed.


So much for the warm comforting guarantee of being a "high value man" that some of you hold onto.
I guess this story demonstrates that money does not buy you a quality woman- just a newer Lexus.

Google up Jodi Gordon

 

[KontrollerX]

"Anyways, she has a boyfriend. Not just any old B/f. This guy is the son of a TV network owner. Mega rich . They were a big glamor couple about town. Sunday papers society pages and so on.

Anyways a couple of nights ago she went out on a GNO , drank and partied on for a while , and was eventually located by the cops hiding in a bedroom with a notorious badazz crim biker.
SHe is claiming "loss of memory."
Her B/f is not amused, is not talking to her and apparently his family is really pizzed.


So much for the warm comforting guarantee of being a "high value man" that some of you hold onto.
I guess this story demonstrates that money does not buy you a quality woman- just a newer Lexus.

Google up Jodi Gordon"

Part of being a high value male is being a DJ which as we all know means to be the bad boy who turns women on via positive masculinity and the don't give a fvck attitude.

Its quite possible the rich guy was just the opposite and was in fact a big pvssy boy AFC at heart.

We'll all know for sure if he eventually forgives her and takes her back after her having been blasted in the face and cornhole with badboy biker sauce.

I think Str8up's idea holds up and here's how...

As an example picture two guys with George Clooney bad boy charisma.

Both do extremely well with the ladies yet one of the guys is only a general manager at the local Mcdonalds while the other travels the world, is mega rich and a fortune 500 company executive type.

Now imagine a woman whose dating the Mcdonalds Clooney type runs into the fortune 500 badboy.

Both guys are badboys and awesomely attractive as far as she's concerned but the fortune 500 guy has just a bit more high value due to his success in business and his love of travelling the world.

The Hollywood movies might have us believe that true love will win out and the woman will stay with the Mcdonalds badboy but we all know in reality she'd take a day to cry about Mcdonalds guy in the bathroom while one of her best girlfriends listened and then rationalize in her mind that Fortune 500 company badboy is the best decision for her ultimately and off she goes with the guy with just a little bit more high value than the previous high value guy.

Of course Fortune 500 guy can have any woman he wants so despite what the woman thought they do not end up living happily ever after but still even dumped by the perceived higher value man she does not regret her decision to go with him one iota.

She may regret hurting the previous guy and try and get back with him but she'll never be sorry for what she did. Sorry for hurting the guy but never truly sorry. She made the right decision for herself from the female perspective.

And the right decision in her mind is going for the perceived highest value man in every area of that man's life from job to personality etc.

 

[Tazman]

Somehow I think I'd like a woman to behave like this out in the open, at least I can see it for myself and it tells me what my next move should be. Not necessarily to kick her to the curb, but it's a great way to evaluate where I stand and suggests to me that I should start looking elsewhere or try and round up another plate.

The worst ones do it behind your back and pretend everything is cool right up until the surprise breakup.

 

[STR8UP]

I still don't see why even in the mating game that women couldn't control their impulses and behavior.

Of course they can and some of them do, but the consequences to their actions in the year 2009 are virtually nil. 500 years ago when life was a little tougher they wouldn't be as likely to exercise options on a whim. It's all about realizing that we are living in an environment that is hostile to the cohesion of relationships. Once you embrace the reality, it's not that difficult to stomach the truth.

You can say it's biological imperative for a man to want to sleep with as many women as possible, yet many men don't cheat and remain faithful to their wives. I don't see any reason why women intrinisically can't control their behavior in the mating game as well.

Statistics say that most men DO cheat. Matter of fact, i would go so far as to say that it's the "alpha thing to do".

Why do we have the urge to fukk? To have babies, of course. Why do men cheat? That's pretty obvious. Why do women cheat? (I'm not talking about why they SAY they cheat) They cheat in order to obtain a genetic advantage. Once they have secured the beta provider they seek out the alpha sperm donor.

All society can do is temper behavior; it will never change it completely.

I honestly don't think there's any reason to separate women's ability to follow rules in the mating game from their ability to follow rules elsewhere. The only real reason you have a divergence of behavior is because women are simply held to no rules or consequences in the mating game.

The reason(s) don't matter. It's all wishful thinking. I WISH i could enter a relationship where my woman will love me unconditionally, but reality says that I must maintain or improve my value in order to keep her "love" alive.

The best reason to separate women's ability to follow "rules" in the mating game is because too many men are duped into believing that women are actually following the rules, when in fact, a good many of them are not. The consequences of women running amok are far more damaging than most any other "bad" things women might do, but when it happens it is largely chalked up to that particular woman being "low quality". Next, next, next.....we cycle through them like there's no tomorrow when in fact one isn't a whole lot different than the next. Women will be women.

Don't make the mistake of judging a woman's "quality" based upon YOUR relative value.

I think it's a bad assumption to think that the rich guy was the "high value man" here.

You and KX get it. Guys love to point out situations like this (as if we know all of the details) as evidence that money and power don't have as much influence as we think they do in the mating game but nothing is ever equal. There are always other factors that play into attraction.

All things being equal, the rich guy has higher value. Not too difficult to understand that. But to throw out the idea that JUST because a guy has money that means he has higher value doesn't account for any of the other factors that give a man value, and possibly more importantly it doesn't account for the fact that women tend to get a portion of their needs met by a provider and fukk someone else on the side for the good genes.

Somehow I think I'd like a woman to behave like this out in the open, at least I can see it for myself and it tells me what my next move should be. Not necessarily to kick her to the curb, but it's a great way to evaluate where I stand and suggests to me that I should start looking elsewhere or try and round up another plate.

The worst ones do it behind your back and pretend everything is cool right up until the surprise breakup.

Bingo!!!!!

This woman was a bit uncouth in her actions, but would you rather have a chick who SECRETLY sees you as low value stringing you along, or one who wears it on her sleeve?

That is essentially what these guys are saying- that if a woman holds it in that makes her "quality". Rubbish. Just means that she's a better actress.

They won't debate the fact that her simply BEING attracted to another man does not make her low quality. Or is that what they think?

That's a big part of the problem I have with the whole "quality" debate. A lot of it rests not upon the type of person a woman truly is, but how tight her acting skills are when she is in front of you.

I've said it a million times and I will say it again.....women don't live by the same code of honor and fairness that men do- they are simply good at making us THINK they do.

 

[ketostix]

Of course they can and some of them do, but the consequences to their actions in the year 2009 are virtually nil. 500 years ago when life was a little tougher they wouldn't be as likely to exercise options on a whim. It's all about realizing that we are living in an environment that is hostile to the cohesion of relationships. Once you embrace the reality, it's not that difficult to stomach the truth.

Well it wasn't 500 years ago that women were accountable, more like 50 years ago just before 2nd wave feminism. I guess where I disagree with you is that it seems like you are saying women of today are how they are genetically "wired" to be and always have been, or maybe that women today are behaving like women did the last 500 years. I'm not failing to embrace any reality. Not that long ago women who slept around and cheated were considered sluts that no one would want to settle down with. Also a woman who got pregnant by a man who's unsuitable to be father would have to suffer the financial consequence since there wasn't the ridiculous child support laws of today. Plus no one wanted a female with kids. Not that long ago women use to suffer a financial consequence for their behavior, and today they don't.

I guess the point I'm making is it's no more "natural" for women to not be held accountable for their behavior, than it is for them to behave in self-serving ways.

Statistics say that most men DO cheat. Matter of fact, i would go so far as to say that it's the "alpha thing to do".

Why do we have the urge to fukk? To have babies, of course. Why do men cheat? That's pretty obvious. Why do women cheat? (I'm not talking about why they SAY they cheat) They cheat in order to obtain a genetic advantage. Once they have secured the beta provider they seek out the alpha sperm donor.

All society can do is temper behavior; it will never change it completely.

I wouldn't say m,ost men cheat, maybe 40%, but the important point is they don't all cheat. But what I'm saying is you shouldn't separate (poor) mating behavior from any other poor behavior like stealing, lying, cheating etc. It's alll part of human nature to try to take advantage, but it's also part of human nature to hold other accountable for it.

The reason(s) don't matter. It's all wishful thinking. I WISH i could enter a relationship where my woman will love me unconditionally, but reality says that I must maintain or improve my value in order to keep her "love" alive.

The best reason to separate women's ability to follow "rules" in the mating game is because too many men are duped into believing that women are actually following the rules, when in fact, a good many of them are not. The consequences of women running amok are far more damaging than most any other "bad" things women might do, but when it happens it is largely chalked up to that particular woman being "low quality". Next, next, next.....we cycle through them like there's no tomorrow when in fact one isn't a whole lot different than the next. Women will be women.

Don't make the mistake of judging a woman's "quality" based upon YOUR relative value.

OK but you are suggesting that all women are of equal "quality". It varies. There is some percentage of women whether 40% or 20% who despite living under no real consequence for their behavior remain faithful. Let's put aside the fact that women are allowed to operate lawlessly basically. There are women who you can never maintain attraction with, and no matter how you really are the BBD they won't perceive you as such for any length of time. These are low character/quality women. Then there are women who do stay with a guy and remain attracted.. The funny thing is some of the latter types are attractive, feminine and the type a guy would want to keep around. They may be a small percentage, but they do exist. Usually they had "good" parenting.


St8up it just seems like you are saying no woman can control how she expresses her mating drive. I believe they can and some do. You seem to be saying none of them can nor do.


You and KX get it. Guys love to point out situations like this (as if we know all of the details) as evidence that money and power don't have as much influence as we think they do in the mating game but nothing is ever equal. There are always other factors that play into attraction.

All things being equal, the rich guy has higher value. Not too difficult to understand that. But to throw out the idea that JUST because a guy has money that means he has higher value doesn't account for any of the other factors that give a man value, and possibly more importantly it doesn't account for the fact that women tend to get a portion of their needs met by a provider and fukk someone else on the side for the good genes.

This woman was a bit uncouth in her actions, but would you rather have a chick who SECRETLY sees you as low value stringing you along, or one who wears it on her sleeve?

That is essentially what these guys are saying- that if a woman holds it in that makes her "quality". Rubbish. Just means that she's a better actress.

They won't debate the fact that her simply BEING attracted to another man does not make her low quality. Or is that what they think?

That's a big part of the problem I have with the whole "quality" debate. A lot of it rests not upon the type of person a woman truly is, but how tight her acting skills are when she is in front of you.

I've said it a million times and I will say it again.....women don't live by the same code of honor and fairness that men do- they are simply good at making us THINK they do.

We agree on a lot things but not completely. I agree that woman don't operate by the same honor code that men do, but a big part of that is because men don't hold women to the same standards! Just because modern society allows "women to be women" doesn't mean that's the natural order of how women are or should be. I realize it's the reality we have to deal with, but that doesn't make it the natural order of how women are. Also why assume because this women cheated with a Biker dude, that it was in any way a sign that the rich guy wasn't "Alpha" enough or "DJ" enough. The woman would probably cheated on any man in existance. But that doesn't mean that every woman would behave like she did.

I don't know what else to say. If law and order broke down tomorrow, some people would act much worse than others. And some would even do things helpful. The same concept applies to women and the mating game IMO. As much as I hate to say it men have a lot of responsibility for how women are. A lot of this women going for a BBD is because men are intentionally trying to provided the BBD to women who already have a significant other. Then when it happens to them they blame it all on women.

 

[SXS]

You can say that a woman can't control how she feels and thus really didn't do anything wrong here. I mean, the guy in question isn't the epitome of "alpha" by any stretch of the word. Are women supposed to force themselves to not be attracted to a male that is higher up on the food chain when they are in a relationship?

The question is not whether she is or not atracted to anyone alse. Is her behaviour that is faulty. If I am with my girlfriend and I see am around a gorgeous, simpatic woman, OF COURSE I am going to be attracted to her. No question about. But I dont become irrational, uncapable of controlling my behaviour because of it. You are basicly saying that she is irracional and cant control herself being around you, due to her "attraction". It is obvious that this guy she is with is a wuss, and she has no respect for him, but still, she doesnt need to be in a relationship with this guy, and obvious, she should not act like this near him. If it were me, I would have immediately dumped her.

Why do we have the urge to fukk? To have babies, of course. Why do men cheat? That's pretty obvious. Why do women cheat? (I'm not talking about why they SAY they cheat) They cheat in order to obtain a genetic advantage. Once they have secured the beta provider they seek out the alpha sperm donor.

Women do cheat for pleasure, not for any "genetic advantage".

 

[jophil28]

Women do cheat for pleasure, not for any "genetic advantage".

Yeah, true, but it is more personally convenient for some men here to blame nature.

 

[Tazman]

Women do cheat for pleasure, not for any "genetic advantage".

Ahh but see, I believe the "genetic advantage" is what makes the whole act "pleasurable".

That's why we want sex with attractive women, our pleasure comes from engaging in the act with a woman who pleases the eye because subconsciously her beauty indicates markers of good genes to produce healthy children.

Women behave the way they do simply because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. If beautiful (or at least f-ckable) women were plentiful and/or outnumbered men, we would probably be less willing to commit to any one woman.

We cling to women because of the work involved in getting what we want out of them. They are simply exploiting the demand as compared to the lower supply (with the help of feminists and the government of course).

 

[SXS]

Ahh but see, I believe the "genetic advantage" is what makes the whole act "pleasurable".

Is quite the opposite, we all are looking for pleasure. Its complicated to discuss why and what, considering even scientific research is contraditory in many aspects, but the pleasure is the goal, the whys and whats are not important. Either way, when you decide to cheat, its a concious decision.

Women behave the way they do simply because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. If beautiful (or at least f-ckable) women were plentiful and/or outnumbered men, we would probably be less willing to commit to any one woman.
We cling to women because of the work involved in getting what we want out of them. They are simply exploiting the demand as compared to the lower supply (with the help of feminists and the government of course).
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Too bad theer are much more wonmen out there than men. And all the gays too... There so many single women in their 30 today... And they dont look bad. i know a 35 years old woman who is a virgin! And she is not bad looking...

 

[penkitten]

she knew exactly what she was doing, and will claim she did nothing wrong if questioned.
regardless if she was just trying to make her bf jealous, or if she was trying you on for size in hopes to spark some interest with you...
what she was doing was wrong.
it made you feel awkward, and it was not a nice thing to do to her bf.

if she doesn't want him, she should break up with her before trying someone else on for size or trying to get their interests up.

if she was trying to make him jealous, she should seriously sit back and try to figure out why she would feel the need to do it and then seriously seek some help if she feels so low about herself that she would need to try to make him jealous for a game.

she sounds like a drama queen / game player to me.

 

[SXS]

Survival of the species is the goal. The pleasure is an enticing incentive designed by nature. From a strictly evolutionary sense, that is. Of course, day to day, people aren't thinking about the survival of the human race. They are pursuing happiness in their own lives. The choices we make to act on our primal needs and wants - nourishment, sex, bowel movements, etc. - reflect on our standards and the societal standards under which we were raised.

OUR goal is simply pleasure. You are talking to a guy who is cheating for around 10 years. I know how it works. I know what do you think when doing it.

We've determined that attraction isn't a choice, but cheating, obviously, is.

Exactly. Like in the case here, even if I do, in fact, cheat. I do things in discretion. I try to not disrespect the girl I am with in public. You guys go WAAAAy over the top with this evolutionary stuff. Mostly BS.

If you're telling me that women are incapable of even having these kinds of introspective moments, then maybe they really ARE only good for a pump and dump.

If they act like that, they are, no doubt about it.

 

[STR8UP]

St8up it just seems like you are saying no woman can control how she expresses her mating drive. I believe they can and some do. You seem to be saying none of them can nor do

Not at all. The question isn't about whether or not some or most women can suppress natural impulses. Not everyone DOES cheat, but a good many do, and it is important to remember that any woman who is at least moderately attractive is CAPABLE of cheating.

We agree on a lot things but not completely. I agree that woman don't operate by the same honor code that men do, but a big part of that is because men don't hold women to the same standards! Just because modern society allows "women to be women" doesn't mean that's the natural order of how women are or should be.

A good majority of the behavior we see today is a result of more opportunity. Women are engaging in more questionable behavior today due to technology and shifting culture. If anything, men are guilty of not yet picking up on how to deal with these changes more than anything.

In the past, lack of opportunity kept many women in check, but rest assured....they have ALWAYS been cunning and manipulative.

Also why assume because this women cheated with a Biker dude, that it was in any way a sign that the rich guy wasn't "Alpha" enough or "DJ" enough. The woman would probably cheated on any man in existance. But that doesn't mean that every woman would behave like she did.

A woman will generally only cheat on a man when he lets his alpha guard down. If he maintains the frame and maintains high value, the chances of getting cheated on are very low. If a woman is getting all of her needs met at home (resources AND alpha seed) she will have no need to stray. Doesn't happen this way often, but I don't believe that a lot of women who cheat would cheat on "anyone".

I don't know what else to say. If law and order broke down tomorrow, some people would act much worse than others. And some would even do things helpful. The same concept applies to women and the mating game IMO.

No doubt. But all you have to do is read the stats and have a good look around you. At best, women aren't the delicate, innocent flowers we are lead to believe they are. At worst, they can be ruthless mercenaries capable of all sorts of detestable behavior.

As much as I hate to say it men have a lot of responsibility for how women are. A lot of this women going for a BBD is because men are intentionally trying to provided the BBD to women who already have a significant other. Then when it happens to them they blame it all on women.

So men who try to steal "taken" women are responsible for women's lack of morality?

I very much disagree. Any time I have had sex with a woman who is "taken", she was the initiator. Much more forward than most single women.

If I am with my girlfriend and I see am around a gorgeous, simpatic woman, OF COURSE I am going to be attracted to her. No question about. But I dont become irrational, uncapable of controlling my behaviour because of it. You are basicly saying that she is irracional and cant control herself being around you, due to her "attraction".

You are not a woman. Men are much better at controlling emotions.

You probably don't believe in soul mates and "fate" and "destiny" like a chick does.

Does this make it "right" for her to be unable to recognize the fact that she was disrespecting her man? Of course not, but if life were "fair", 20% of men wouldn't be getting 80% of the pu$$y. It's just how things are dude.

Women do cheat for pleasure, not for any "genetic advantage"

That's like saying "I watch football because I enjoy it, not because it gets my adrenaline flowing in much the same way tribal warfare or hunting big game would".

It "feels good" for a reason dude. It ensures the survival of our species. Doesn't take a room full of phD's to decipher that one.

Yeah, true, but it is more personally convenient for some men here to blame nature.

Which came first- the urge to fukk, or the societal constructs that temper these urges?

Ignoring evolutionary biology and psychology to explain it away as "seeking pleasure" is the convenient explanation.

Got news for you folks- societal customs come and go and change with the wind. In the grand scheme of things nature laughs in the face of your silly man made "rules".

Women behave the way they do simply because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. If beautiful (or at least f-ckable) women were plentiful and/or outnumbered men, we would probably be less willing to commit to any one woman.

We cling to women because of the work involved in getting what we want out of them. They are simply exploiting the demand as compared to the lower supply (with the help of feminists and the government of course).

Heresy! There are no biological influences at work! Supply? Demand? Women behave the way they do because they WANT to! Nothing more, nothing less!

Is quite the opposite, we all are looking for pleasure. Its complicated to discuss why and what, considering even scientific research is contraditory in many aspects, but the pleasure is the goal, the whys and whats are not important.

You are sounding more and more like a woman with each post.

The "why's" and "what's" are of utmost importance if you truly want to educate yourself on the subject. Somehow I don't think you do.

We've determined that attraction isn't a choice, but cheating, obviously, is.

The desire to cheat (based upon attraction) is often not a conscious choice. The decision NOT to cheat is the actual choice. It is a natural desire that is socially repressed.

Was the female in question aware of her behavior? Did she either find her new subject so attractive, or have so little respect for her boyfriend, or both, that the benefits of flirting outweighed the potential consequences?

Like I said, I think it was both the fact that we "clicked" and the fact that he is low value to her. This led to the engaging conversation with me, and from where I was standing I don't think she gave a passing thought to what the b/f was thinking (until the end maybe, when I started to consciously distance myself).

I mean, I don't know the guy that well to know how much of a dud he actually is with women, but as soon as I mentioned the word "Amsterdam" she was entranced in our convo. Come to find out that the b/f had been to Amsterdam as well, but she didn't know that until he chimed in after hearing my passionate tales of travels far and wide....

I have a hard time believing that at no point during the night, this woman didn't think for one moment that a) I might be pouring it on too thick with Str8Up, and b) I've been neglecting my boyfriend. If those thoughts didn't cross her mind at all, she obviously has a morality defect. If they DID cross her mind, and she dismissed them, she is unscrupulous.

Like I said, from my POV she was utterly clueless for most of the night, but I don't think you could call it a "morality defect". Bad social graces maybe, but not a morality defect.

If you're telling me that women are incapable of even having these kinds of introspective moments, then maybe they really ARE only good for a pump and dump.

Incapable? I don't think they are incapable. I do however think that they are much more likely to become swept up in emotion, making them prone to entering a state where they become less aware of their actions and less concerned about the consequences.

 

[Julian]

This guy puts you up in his house and you have the balls to pull some **** like that on him right in front of his face. Thats a b1tchmove on your part. Regardless if she was feeling you like that you could have EASILY thrown out that "distance vibe" way earlier in the night. This goes beyond alpha/beta/dj/etc its just about being a decent guy. You didnt have to have that overly friendly date-like convo with the girl but you did anyway because deep down you know you want to hit that sh1t. You took advantage of that geek an thats just fked up brah.


I can relate because I knew this guy who had this hot gf. He was a major D bag though and I was macking on his girl in front of him but I felt justified because he was a D bag. You on the other hand pulled a greazy move on this guy who was trying to help you out. Thats the difference.

 

[ketostix]

Well the only thing I wanted to add is I don't believe men create ethics and right and wrong as much discover them, just like any other discovery. But further than that, I think just as much as the urge to "fvck" to perpetuate the species is built into men and women, so are some sense of right and wrong, fairness etc. I do think women tend to behave poorly when there's no consequence to them. Bottom line is women and their sex drive or mating driving doesn't tell us anything about how they will behave. If anything women are very able to control how they express their attraction. It's a conscious choice on her part. Different women make different conscious choices.

 

[STR8UP]

This guy puts you up in his house and you have the balls to pull some **** like that on him right in front of his face. Thats a b1tchmove on your part. Regardless if she was feeling you like that you could have EASILY thrown out that "distance vibe" way earlier in the night. This goes beyond alpha/beta/dj/etc its just about being a decent guy. You didnt have to have that overly friendly date-like convo with the girl but you did anyway because deep down you know you want to hit that sh1t. You took advantage of that geek an thats just fked up brah.

I just love it when someone skims through a post then posts a bunch of worthless criticism.

And as noble as your "bro's before ho's" bravado might sound to the uninformed beta masses, it falls on deaf ears to me. There is absolutely NOTHING about walking away from a free piece of ass that makes you an alpha/DJ/a better person. I would even go so far as to say that absent any social or political ramifications, NOT fukking a piece of ass that you are attracted to when it is thrown at you is pretty damn beta.

Keep buying what they are feeding you, brah. Maybe you should sign up for a tour in Iraq. I hear it makes you a REAL man. Pfffft....

I can relate because I knew this guy who had this hot gf. He was a major D bag though and I was macking on his girl in front of him but I felt justified because he was a D bag. You on the other hand pulled a greazy move on this guy who was trying to help you out. Thats the difference.

So you can justify it as long as you consider the dude to be a douchebag?

Hypocrite.

Flip on the Discovery Channel. You can't watch five minutes without seeing a beta chimp or a lone wolf that gets caught trying to hit the alpha male's prized poon. These acts of discreet mating usually involve sneaking off from the group. What always happens? A thorough ass-kicking, often followed by banishment from the clan. Now which do you think is greater, the risk of consequence or the need to reproduce? Never underestimate a male's underlying desire to pass on his genes, and a female's desire to find the best possible genes to accept. When some guy's girlfriend sees a confident, high-status male walk in the room and it soaks her panties, or when a faithful husband turns his head to check out the fine ass on his daughter's best friend, these are the biological impulses at play.

This stuff is pretty easy to understand if you have anything more than a sixth grade education, so for the life of me I can't figure out why well educated grown men try to dismiss it without offering even a hint of a plausible alternate explanation.

"People do things because it makes them feel good" is the best they can come up with.

 

[SXS]

To STR8up

You are not a woman. Men are much better at controlling emotions.

Maybe so. Still, lots of wussies out there doing everything because of a woman...

You probably don't believe in soul mates and "fate" and "destiny" like a chick does.

Do you think most women do believe in those things ?

Does this make it "right" for her to be unable to recognize the fact that she was disrespecting her man? Of course not, but if life were "fair", 20% of men wouldn't be getting 80% of the pu$$y. It's just how things are dude.

It isnt a matter of fair or unfair. You are basicly justifying her actions on the basis of realism. Its

That's like saying "I watch football because I enjoy it, not because it gets my adrenaline flowing in much the same way tribal warfare or hunting big game would".

You misunderstood completely. Its more like saying "I watch football(I dont) because I enjoy it, and I completely ignore how or why my biology affects my likes or dislikes". And the fact that I completely ignore changes nothing.

It "feels good" for a reason dude. It ensures the survival of our species. Doesn't take a room full of phD's to decipher that one.

The point is, you do it because it feels good. If it ensures the survival, I might completely ignore, and it doesnt change a thing.

The "why's" and "what's" are of utmost importance if you truly want to educate yourself on the subject. Somehow I don't think you do.

The whys and what doesnt seem to any importance to me, when I am in a relationship and am fishing for semthing better on the side. My pleasure and will to secure a source of sex are my motivation. Its not anything irrational or even unconcious. I am certainly thinking in every step I am taking. If this woman gives you her number, then later goes with you on a date, she is "not councious" during the process ? Ridiculous.
When it was the last time you went out with a woman who already was in a relationship or married ? Because usually when I do that, they are concious the whole time

You are sounding more and more like a woman with each post.

Well my friend, since its you who seem to think that everyone from the opposite sex are somewhat retarded chimps, I think you are the one sounding like a woman.