@rex
Its rather time consuming to piece by piecing edit and quote you, so I will do it like this and hit on a couple points.
1. I dont know how in the world you can make some insinuation about homosexuality with regarding to heterosexual behavior. Sexual contact with a woman is sexual contact with a woman. If a girl swallows my load, I dont really care. Im in the moment and I will kiss her. Is she a dyke for kissing you after eating *****? Lets be real here homie.
Youll likely kiss her later that night anyways. All in all, if its sexual behavior between a male and female, its hetero behavior. Think about it...by your logic a man is quasi homo for putting his d!ck in his hand. If a guy is doing sh!t with his body and his woman...no biggie. I see youre trying to make a point on my view that Tyler is effeminate...but I just dont agree. Ive seen several of his vids...and I just dont get a masculine vibe from the guy with regard to mannerisms or voice.
A big part of the reason I brought that up is because Ive seen this video talked about on forums and also reddit...and people are trying to give the other guy crap for not being the most masculine dude. Neither of them are really...but as someone else said...its pretty expected of Tyler to try and chew out the guy he dide. I doubt he would do it to guys like you, I, or certain members of the forum here. Im not saying Id hit the guy. Im saying that either A) he wouldnt dare try and punk me....or B) if for some reason we got into a little argument, I would shut him down quick. He just seemed to get into a battle with a weak scrub who didnt seem to be informed or have his wits about him.
2. Trust me bro, Im not a natural. Tbh, I consider myself the high end of average, but no big deal to turn women's heads. Tbh, Im surprised when certain women are into me. I lost my virginity @ 18, Ive gotten my number into the double digits (rather not divulge the actual #), Im very outgoing, and Ive actually turned down opportunities for easy sex before. And Im definitely no Don Juan myself. I always thought I had pretty average luck with women. And I have my share of failures...so bad ones at that.
That all said, you are right. I dont know what its like for the socially awkward, the really shy guys, the rather unattractive guys, or those all-of-the-above type guys. The internet has made me realize just how bad some dudes have it. I used to assume most guys get some kind of girl...but thats not really true. I assumed this because I do see all kinds of guys with at least some kind of girlfriend. But that didnt mean every guy was having at least a little luck.
So yeah, while I have had my own droughts and failures, I dont know what its like to fail constantly with women and feel like I have no hope. So I concede this point, and agree that certain guys out there need teachers to show them how to be good with women...and just how to be smart and successful men overall. I just really dont think it need to be worth thousands of dollars.
My biggest problem is that so many men do get their hopes up with these guys, and end up wasting money on so called gurus that put puzzy on a huge pedestal. I feel there are better resources for men...one of them being Sosuave (despite some of my criticisms of it). Places like SS teach a man how to really be a man, and how to protect himself in the modern world. The vibe I get from gurus is that getting laid is the end-all, be-all.
It irritates me that men who have not done well with women, end up forking over a lot of cash, building the status of these guys...in attempts to chase down tail that many of these customers never end up getting. Nevermind the fact that I feel they run the risk of running into the wrong women who will use them for their money all.
Thats just how I see it. I think men would be better served to find out how to date women from someone else.
As far as David DeAngelo goes, the guy started learning dating success in the mid 90's, he got married to a woman that he really liked only a few years ago. That's called being a normal person. Can't be a playa fo' lyfe mang. He doesn't have to marry what other guys would consider a "hot girl". I'll admit he's a bit of a weird dude, but his products are solid and informative, given one has the attention span and desire to learn dating success at a deep level. Today he spends his time promoting business and personal success products under his real name, Eben Pagan.
Like I said before, I have nothing against David D. Im happy he found a great woman to spend his life with. My point was that he was a great marketer...and that his material very much led men to believe he was a Casanova. Im not saying that was his exact intention...but Im saying many men saw him as a guru back in the day. And dudes used to defend David D as hard as dudes defend RSD and others.
I brought David D up because I wanted to use him as an example of what successful internet marketing is...and how one cannot always assume that a presented perception is reality. Granted David D's stuff is a bit more affordable than RSD....I still dont think their stuff is worth dudes shell out that much cash. Especially when there are great free resources online.
I would love if there was a place on the net where men would be more organized to meet regionally and show noobies the ropes. And do it for free. A legitimate guys night out where everyone has fun, but there is learning involved. Something like that would be cool, where the number 1 goal was to have a good time and help mentor guys into becoming better with women, but also better in life. They could be taught what it means to be a smart and good man that properly looks out for himself.
Granted some might say gurus do this. But in my view, it seems its mainly about the money with them.
Settle down lady, you're out of your depth.
