two types of seduction

[catch]

hey guys,

i just want to bring this up, mainly for some feedback, and as a tip for the newbs, its not my original idea beings i read a bit about it in david de'angilos book.
any how, heres the concept;

there are two basic types of game we play with a chick, although there are many ways to play them, there are only two!

the difference between the two are very supprising when you think about it, these are the two;

-the sexual game
-the relationship game

heres a brief discription that seperates the two,

relationship-
when a women looks for a guy to have a long term relationship with, and a man to marry, a man to have children with she will look for a man that can provide every thing that she will need.
she will also look for a man that is,
more trusting than average,
a man that is easy to control,
a man that has a big bank account, sports car, house,
but mainly A MAN THEY CAN CONTROL!

sexual-
when women look for an sexual relationship with a man they are more interested in a man that is funny, confident, and is appealing to other women, also
a man they CAN NOT CONTROL!

so now you can see the diference beween the both, and it does go into a lot more depth, ime just touching on the surfice here, take this for instance;

a women who is looking for long term will hold out on the sex,
and play hard to get...

a woman not looking for a relationship will have sex in a shorter period of time, although it is evedent that 80% of sexual relationships can and do develop into long term under the right conditions!

can you see how this is working guys?

it gets better though, there are two types of men that attract women,

-the lover
-the provider

the lover attracts the sexual game and the provider attracts the relationship game! there are many more variations of the two, and still the basic concept remains just two! heres a brief discription that seperates the two!

the provider,
this is the guy that is a looked upon like a dad, hes in control of his finances, his life, he is ready to take on a family and kids.
-he will take her out for a candle lit meal.
-he will buy her gifts all the time.
-he will go out of his way to make her happy
-he will only say yes to her

the lover
this is the guy that is out for some fun, hes happy with himself and mainly interested in his own ammusement!
-he will have sex with her as soon as he can
-he will make her laugh with his childish and funny out look
-he will sleep with other women unless otherwise made exclusive
-he will let her buy him a candle lit meal

now, there is a pattern starting to form, have you ever been curious as to WHY women will say lets just be friends?
she wants a LOVER not a provider!
have you ever been curious as to why some women will not sleep with you even though she said she wants to?
she wants a PROVIDER not a lover!

if you buy her gifts, take her out and GIVE HER EVERYTHING you are demonstrating to her that you are a provider!
if you show her some fun and and deliberatly stroke her neck to make her horny then, your showing her you a lover!

now i just want to mention one thing,

if you start with a sexual game, then the chances of progressing into a relationship game will evidently increase!

women want a lover they can NOT control
women also want a provider they CAN control

you will not get sex if you demonstrate provider values however you will, if you buy her enough flowers after about 3-7 months of dating.
you will get sex if you provide lover values, and you can progress to a relationship later on if you both want to.


i think most nice guys are actually trying to demonstrate the WRONG values to the kind of woman they are looking for, you with me?
lets face it, if your a guy 16-25 and your looking for a 16-25 age girl, do you think that girl will be looking for a provider? no!!

so there we have it!

ahhh poops,
thats what ive been doing wrong!!!!

 

[catch]

hey, any body there?:wave:

what do you think guys, do you agree or disagree?

 

[TheRelic]

Methinks you can cover all bases...

 

[catch]

Originally posted by TheRelic
Methinks you can cover all bases...

how do you mean dude? elaborate... i wanna know your view!

 

[MackJr]

that would explain a lot...

I've had some near misses with women who want a provider., and I've spent a lot of time developing DJ skills to get into the broader "lover" market.

 

[TheRelic]

Originally posted by catch
how do you mean dude? elaborate... i wanna know your view!

Well, i've got assignments coming out my proverbial so I can't elaborate too much, but what I mean is, why limit yourself to developing attributes common to just one of two very different areas, when both are just as attainable?

Despite their differences, I think you can come across both the lover/provider type, I think a lot of the material around here actually preaches, more or less, to develop ourselves in both areas...

I'm also not entirely convinced a decent woman wants a man they can control.

 

[catch]

yeah i see what your saying,

its also evident that most women prefer the sexual, fun, carefree game first, if you jump strait into the provider role then she will control you, and dont get me wrong, the guy that buys her everything and becons to her call does get some game, but mainly off the type of women that like to control the man, you see?

my point is,
its easier to play the first role and develop slowly into the second role, the provider role! and not many people will actually consider jumping into the long term game strait away, its freaky for one, i dont know about you, but if a girl started showing signs that she wanted to marry me, have kids, i think it may take the search party along time to find me!

can you see where ime coming from?

 

[medaille]

Catch,

I think your definition of provider is screwed up.

the provider,
this is the guy that is a looked upon like a dad, hes in control of his finances, his life, he is ready to take on a family and kids.
-he will take her out for a candle lit meal.
-he will buy her gifts all the time.
-he will go out of his way to make her happy
-he will only say yes to her

I would agree that the provider is looked at like a dad, because he handles the man responsibilities like her father most likely did. The rest of it sounds like textbook AFC rather than provider.

I think a better way to think of it would be that the lover satisfies her by entertaining her and the provider satisfies her by providing her comfort through security (not by buying her love). They aren't exclusive roles, meaning that you can play both roles at the same time, not one or the other.

That said I do agree that its wiser to start working on the lover role but both need to be developed (not your provider definition though).