Two months rest from women and sex here is the results

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This is what will happen to any man who does not have children, or adopt them. His ideas, politics and legacy dies, forever.
Thats complete bullshyt.School , media and other people has much more influence on your children than you will ever do.
Did childless Leonardo da Vinci ideas died ? ? Did childless Nicola Tesla ideas died ? You can have as many children as you want
they will take your time,sanity,money and resources, then come to your funeral and live their lives.That's it.You will be forgotten and your grand-grandchildren will throw
away your photographs.Flea markets are full of family photographs and memoirs ... looks nobody gives shyt about them after some time.
 
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Sik said:
This is a really good thread with a lot of great posts!

Tenacity had some solid points and really broke down into simple terms where a man should be to easily attract women. I have to agree on pretty much everything there. It's funny, I have many friends who are 7+ in one area, and like a 3 in another, and they just can't get why they are unsuccessful with either attracting, or keeping, quality women.
Makes perfect sense.

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I'm glad you are getting things together, Fruitbat! You seemed rather pessimistic in your initial posts here.

In regards to taking a break from women, sure, I agree. Everyone needs a break once in a while. Even doing something you love, excessively, will cause burnout and resentment of the activity. Take as long as you need, evan12 - just don't take so long you lose social skills. Remember, you don't always need to ask women out, just flirt with every half-decent one you run into. I have a GF, but damn if I don't hit on every dumb broad I come across, 'cause it keeps me sharp, on the edge, where I gotta be.
You stay sharp and you stay marketable I'm sure. Does your babe know that other females admire you, by running your mouth and hollering you keep all that outside attention sparked up. It excites many females to know her man can pick and choose.

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As for the marriage and family discussion, has anyone here heard of the Shakers? No, not the Quakers, the Shakers. No? Haven't heard of them, eh. Well, that's because within a few generations they went extinct. They were an American religious sect with several thousand members in the mid 19th century. They had their own villages and businesses and were quite successful in their fields. Still, they went extinct because they practiced celibacy and thus did not pass their beliefs onto future generations.

This is what will happen to any man who does not have children, or adopt them. His ideas, politics and legacy dies, forever.
Unless he educates others.

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Yes, marriage and having a family is an endeavor with significant downside risks, but the greatest risk is having some of the best men alive to fight the decline of America eventually die out, and their ideas with them.

If any good DJ should leave this earth without passing his knowledge and wisdom on to his sons, that would be a tragedy, and a win for the marxist-feminists. It's a war, and it will last generations.
One of my men on FaceBook admitted that Masculinity is a real thing and must be preserved, but so is womens liberation and the gay movements. That changes are going to continue to occur as these groups gain a stronger foothold.
 

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Tenacity said:
You make a good point about the Natural Order of Things, the only issue is that "natural order" is being manipulated to destroy too many of our lives (as men).
No doubt, there is corruption everywhere. I wish I had a good answer as to how to fight it. Staying in control of ourselves is a good start.

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As a result, it's almost as if in order to BEAT the market, you have to go into an unnatural way of operating which is to deny the natural feelings of wanting to provide/protect for a family.
I agree with your general sentiment, but I wouldn't say suppressing the feeling of wanting a family is really 'unnatural' or anything. My original point is just that the feeling does exist by nature. Suppressing nature and blatantly going against it (like contraception) are 2 different things IMO.

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But if you look into the market, you find Men who WANT to be Fathers being banned access to their children and raped out of the a.ss with excessive child support.....then on the flip side, you have Men who DO NOT want to be Fathers seemingly getting off free without having to pay for nor deal with any of the stresses of the system.
Yeah, that's the system we have created due to liberal policies. Punish the achievers and reward those who contribute nothing.

Funny thing is, talking about nature, it's almost natural for great societies to delve into this liberating cycle, slowly degrade, implode, then build back up again. You see it all over the world throughout history. Who really knows?
 

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Well, I'm of the camp that you can't build self-esteem or confidence, by standing in front of a mirror and repeating positive affirmations all day, I believe you build confidence in a particular area by being consistently SUCCESSFUL within it.

So I believe that Success breeds True Confidence.

With that being said, I don't believe that Success in one particular category translates into confidence within another category. Too often you hear guys on this forum tell you that in order to increase your "confidence" with women, you should go hit the gym and make more money, BOTH of which are good, but you aren't truly going to increase your confidence with women until you are having SUCCESS with women. Success with women is subjective, but I think it's universal that a guy would consider himself successful with women if he can get a consistent amount of new dates, new pvssy, and has a current good amount of dates/pvssy on rotation.

Success with women is NOT just about money and working out, it's an integrated system where you need to be at least a "7" in each one of these categories:

- Looks

- Money

- Personality

Looks includes your external appearance, your smell, how your body looks, how your teeth looks, the color of your eyes, etc. Women for the most part (not all of them, but for the most part) should look at you without you saying ANYTHING and should say, "Hmmm...he's cute, or he's attractive."

Money includes your current management of your Career, Education, your Residence, and your Car. When a woman looks at you on "paper," they should for the most part (not all of them, but for the most part) say, "Hmmm...he looks like he has his shyt together."

Personality includes your conversation skills, your level of comfort being around women (this comes only through being around them all the time), your charm, your ability to be c0cky/funny, your ability to turn a woman on through conversation (more subtle at first and then leading to overt), your ability to handle shyt tests, your ability to handle the majority of social situations with SMOOTH, etc.

You want to be a 7 out of 10, or at least a 6 out of 10 collectively with all of these categories. ONCE you are there, THEN you will see Success with women.

So guys telling you to just workout and focus on money, without telling you anything about fixing your Personality, will just have you at a 6 in Looks, maybe a 6 in Money, but still a 3 in Personality which collectively is only a 5 and would still likely hurt your overall Success standing with women. The only way you can stay a 3 in Personality and have success with women, is if you are a damn 8 in Looks and 8 in Money, which for most guys (Looks at least) is pretty hard to attain because genetics come into play.

A big part of getting to a 6 or 7 in Personality is being comfortable around women and seducing women, and you can't get comfortable unless you are DOING it all the time. If you withdraw totally out of the market, you might become awkward around them again.
I agree with most of that , but usually successful people assume they are desired by other (especially women ) so they gain confidance until it get either proved or disapproved from practical exprience .

I am comftable around women , but the social skills is by big problem , I dont have confidance of social people , and that really hit my value .
I want a place when I can increase my social skills , but yet to find it .
 

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I personally think that most guys do this and take a break because they're just frustrated and angry or dissatisfied with the results so it's a good way to discuss stop and take a breather and recollect. I guess it's beneficial in that aspect, but I just don't see the need to be 100 percent or nothing about it. You can still continue to improve your game by approaching the women that you want. Sexual power is something that we all crave. I never want to deny that impulse.

I've always said that if I could spend every day of the week 24 hours a day searching women and trying to bed as many women as I possibly could, I do it. Even if I were financially independent enough to scan the globe on my own and just chase women the rest of my life I would.
I felt that way, then hit a wall in the late 40s where I really started valuing peace and quiet. Now there may be a way to have women and peace and quiet at the same time, but I never found it. No matter how I tried to structure the relationship, it always becomes an agenda battle, and the more they are attracted, the more of an agenda battle it becomes. What I found was that the more success with women I achieved, the more needlessly dramatic and stressful my life became. Am actually having trouble building the motivation to get back into the "women" life, but have always been told I'm a natural hermit by family and friends anyway. YMMV of course.
 

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Originally Posted by Espi
I personally think that most guys do this and take a break because they're just frustrated and angry or dissatisfied with the results so it's a good way to discuss stop and take a breather and recollect.
That true and I didnt hide why I stopped , it is logical thing to stop trying something you tried it alot and failed .
I am now trying to improve my self by loosing weight, gaining confidance , and tune my body , beside improving my social skills and maybe hair transplant.
I ll hit the market as soon as I accomplish at least one of them (most likely weight loss ) and will see the results .
 

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Hair transplant probably a bit over the top.

I dont know but personally I draw the line at anything surgical. Check out one of the love systems instructors : vercetti. He shaves his. Got a couple of mates with shaved heads - they have attractive wives. I d just do that and lose the weight. U said u were very financial so that and a sharp wardrobe/Rolex etc. Should easily do the trick.
 

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Funny thing is, talking about nature, it's almost natural for great societies to delve into this liberating cycle, slowly degrade, implode, then build back up again. You see it all over the world throughout history. Who really knows?
I don't understand how 'red pill' men voluntarily opt out of kids and yet laugh at feminists and old bats who never had children. Here is the major difference between FRIENDS and FAMILY, when you are sick and dying, your friends may or may not show to say goodbye, your family will have an obligation to and if they don't it will eat away at them for the rest of their lives. You can't really count on your friends to bail you out of a hard situation or stand up in your defense but you can always count on family.

My family would kill for each other, we fight like cats and dogs but nobody on Earth is going to fvk with my family unless they manage to kill me first. Your family is your tribe and really the only real responsibility you'll ever really have. You can hear all the dads that HATE the women who divorced them and are using their kids as bargaining chips. If they didn't love those kids, they wouldn't give a second thought about them. Its part of us, as men, to want to create your own 'tribe' and lead it. Society hates deadbeats from both sexes because its counter tribal.

I had a situation back in College where a white knight guy was threatening to beat me up over a girl (I called her a name). I called up my father for advice, he just said "STAY THERE, I'LL SEE YOU IN 45 MINUTES". My father and my uncle (father's platoon from NAM) showed up in the parking lot of my school where the MMA guy was with his friends. My dad and my uncle stepped out of the car, popped the trunk and took out a long metal chain. My uncle took out a large metal pipe... well I've never seen a 'ninjitsu' master (as he claimed) pull out of a parking lot so fast. His tire treads were smoking, guy had his friend apologize on his behalf and ask if my father was really serious about the things he said..... thanks daddy. Despite him being a huge prick in his old age, I owe him and one day I'll do the same for my kids.


Anyway, my wife has got my back, the last couple months I spent in the hospital fading out of reality, she was there with me every step of the way. There is no amount of money on Earth that can replace a family member holding your hand when you are moving on to the next world, let me tell you. My wife sang to me while I was sinking into the ether and it was her voice that I followed out of the void. When the doctors and the nurses give up on you, your family won't. That's a family's job. For those that haven't experienced this yet, you can never truly understand the importance of having a family until you are face to face with the other side.

Friends come and go, family is forever.

My suggestion to you Evan, is, don't waste your time in the market looking for just ANY girl. Seek out THE woman who makes you feel as though you are still at home.
 
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Anyway, my wife has got my back, the last couple months I spent in the hospital fading out of reality, she was there with me every step of the way. There is no amount of money on Earth that can replace a family member holding your hand when you are moving on to the next world, let me tell you. My wife sang to me while I was sinking into the ether and it was her voice that I followed out of the void. When the doctors and the nurses give up on you, your family won't. That's a family's job. For those that haven't experienced this yet, you can never truly understand the importance of having a family until you are face to face with the other side.
I think this is what all of us want, at least at some point in life. We want that chick who's going to reliably stick to our sides no matter what. Good for you for finding one who's proven her worth.

The problem in today's society is women are NOT trained by their families nor society to treat men like this. They've learned to be the independent, strong woman who doesn't need a man for anything. Women who grew up raised by their mothers only are the worst offenders. They have no concept of the responsibilities inside a family unit. Their parents never taught them to be their best to find a good man to support them. Instead, they're taught that they can do anything by themselves and have their girl friends (or male orbiters) support them instead of having one man. We have become irrelevant in terms of helping women through life unless we want to be a beta orbiter.

Screening for red flags while qualifying women are important. Does she have male orbiters? Is her family still intact? How does she view her father? How many guys has she slept with? Does she know how to cook and clean? All this 5hit is important if we are to find a reliable woman. Unfortunately, the majority of women come up short, and the trend is only getting worse as time goes on.

If men are to build their own family or tribe, they need to do what women are doing. They need to start from scratch without these trashy women in their lives and begin families that they can instil values in. Being a full time single dad by choice is the only way to go if a man wants to have children. If you've got family to back you up, they'll have no problem looking after your kids while you go out and get laid.

Society has changed. We have to adapt to the changes in order to make the most out of our lives.
 

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I think this is what all of us want, at least at some point in life. We want that chick who's going to reliably stick to our sides no matter what. Good for you for finding one who's proven her worth.

The problem in today's society is women are NOT trained by their families nor society to treat men like this. They've learned to be the independent, strong woman who doesn't need a man for anything. Women who grew up raised by their mothers only are the worst offenders. They have no concept of the responsibilities inside a family unit. Their parents never taught them to be their best to find a good man to support them. Instead, they're taught that they can do anything by themselves and have their girl friends (or male orbiters) support them instead of having one man. We have become irrelevant in terms of helping women through life unless we want to be a beta orbiter.

Screening for red flags while qualifying women are important.
Does she have male orbiters? Is her family still intact? How does she view her father? How many guys has she slept with? Does she know how to cook and clean? All this 5hit is important if we are to find a reliable woman. Unfortunately, the majority of women come up short, and the trend is only getting worse as time goes on.
I don't think today's society is the problem Des, its FIRST WORLD society. The women that were the best examples of loyal wives from the first world were post ww2 brides. Women have to suffer through some sort of tragedy to understand the importance of a male counterpart. Pain, Emotional Trauma, Sickness, Hunger and Death, it helps jolt people back to reality.

The problem with the 1st world countries is that we have allowed ourselves to live in a bubble for far too long and most women AND men have forgotten what lies just outside the border. The world is a hostile and in many ways a TERRIBLE place to be INDEPENDENT. People who are independent of the group don't survive very long in the 3rd world no matter how STRONG they think they are. That's generally why WESTERN WOMEN can't hack it in the various 2nd and 3rd world countries. They don't have the skill set and aren't willing to adapt, instead they run back to the bubble after having a quick 'cultural experience'. The ones that stay on for trips longer than 6 months become bitter and resentful of local women. I've seen this behavior now from 1st world princesses in 5 different countries. Its not so much the FOREIGN women are better but FOREIGN women have a higher likelihood of growing up poor and destitute as my wife did.

Most men from the 1st world come over to the 3rd and seek out a bride, the first sets of women they run into are the 'gringo hunters'. These are typically women from VERY WEALTHY families, they speak near perfect English and are looking for a way into the bubble to rejoin the other 1st world princesses. Once they arrive at the first world, they proceed to act just like the other spoiled 1st world women, generally leaving the man in search of someone more 'qualified' to handle her. This is where you get many FOREIGN MEN who swear that FOREIGN WOMEN are the same as WESTERN. Those MEN are usually from the upper class of their own society and have never approached, let alone live near the poverty stricken populace. When I was under a different Tag, I wrote about my exploits in South America with one such princess and the inevitable downfall, cheating and bad behavior that occurred when I brought her back to the West. She had found out about my posts on SS and informed her father. Said man was very concerned with losing face and was not above hiring 'help' to deal with the problem and so I've never been back to that region. 3rd world rich are not to be messed with, they know the game and the rules and they have the money to break them. I would say that RICH women of any society should be handled carefully, skillfully and from a distance. I've yet to hear of a man that is happily married to a spoiled FOREIGN princess. I have a friend who while becoming an overnight millionaire, still suspects his rich wife of cheating and it keeps him up at night. He knows he is a kept man, and when she goes, so does the money.

The best way to test for a QUALITY woman is to ask how long she has gone without FOOD either as a child or currently. If the answer is NEVER, its time to say goodbye. 1 week or more is generally an indicator that she doesn't take things for granted. An absence of a family member doesn't necessarily indicate dysfunction. My wife's father was murdered mercilessly by the local rich gang members and later covered up. The VOLUNTARY absence of a family's father will certainly indicate dysfunction, I have been with women on both sides of the coin. THAT type of woman will be seeking validation through ANY attention her father will give her including (sex, drugs, tattoos or drama) while she sips cappuccino-ices at Starbucks. The former spent most of her early life privately :cry:ing to herself in a dirty corner on top of some hay and vowing to never repeat the mistakes of her family. Another indicator of QUALITY is hardship through WORK. If her only job has been sitting in an office, eating bagels then she won't appreciate your day at the factory. If, however, her job required blood or sweat and didn't have a designated END time, then likely she will be grateful when she doesn't HAVE TO continue to do that. Callouses on women's hands are a good indicator of her work ethic and ability to put her nose to the grind during hard times. Education is not necessarily an indicator of a smart woman, I've known plenty of stupid, spoiled grads. Some of the smartest/wealthiest people I know, never made it past primary. Men that screen women through education, are generally running up against women from rich families. A good question to ask is: "How hard did you have to work, to get where you are today?". If her definition of hard work is studying at school, politely excuse yourself, she is a princess. To the 3rd world poor, school is a privilege, its the life after school where the hard work takes place.

The problem comes when MEN don't leave the bubble and cut themselves off from the suffering of the 3rd world. The suffering is where the character building takes place. Without any sort of hardship we become weak and unable to deal with the realities of life. They are always just a few steps away but its easy to forget that when you live in a country, which looks out for its people. In women's cases the 1st world makes them a protected and honored class. For men to continue to date women in the 1st world is both irresponsible and counter productive to society. The women in these 1st world kingdoms now take offense to what 3rd world denizens know is day-to-day responsibility. You can hardly suggest a woman learn to properly , cook, clean or take care of children without triggering a backlash or 'PTSD', that is an indicator: SHE IS A PRINCESS. Its the reason that 1st world women resent 3rd world women so much, they realize that they are spoiled princesses and in the presence of 3rd world poor they feel that shame. They can act spoiled around first world PRINCES but 3rd world men and women will call them out on their behavior. A princess from the 1st world is the same as one from the 3rd and will have various orbiters (suitors, jesters, butlers and clowns) to bask in her glow. A 3rd world pauper will never experience this and grow to resent it as shallow people generally seek out WEALTH and shun sickness and poverty.

The dysfunction is the decadence.
 
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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LiveFreeX said:
The best way to test for a QUALITY woman is to ask how long she has gone without FOOD either as a child or currently.
So much truth there. Looking back, the best ones I've been with over the years have either been in a job where they see death and disease every day, have cared for or are caring for dying famlly, have had some direct privation in their lives, etc.

Our whole culture is set up to keep female consumerism up and running, to keep that female dollar under the illusion that it is safe and sound, free to spend spend spend, that the wolf isn't at the door, when it always is, and this has led to the sorry state of women.
 
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