Turning your back on love

[NewJack]

Think of what you are if your mother dared to see you without eyes of love:
A screaming ball of helpless flesh. A liability. A burden around her neck.
A purposeless sh1t-monster whose every move was a feeble one. A budding disgrace.

Think of what you are if your father never viewed you through eyes of love:
A waste of time. A sinkhole for his efforts. An expenditure.
A boy-man who would never stand equal to himself.

Think of what the populace becomes when politicians dont view them through the eyes of love:
Cattle. Lives to be sacrificed. Pawns whose purpose is to die for 'expediency'.
Participants in a social 'experiment'.

Think of what you are when a woman chooses not to view you through eyes of love:
A source of cash. A momentary release from her frustrated sexual desires.
A way to increase her social standing. A pawn in the game of her own advancement.
A hated, loved, hated, loved mystery figure to be attacked for each sign of weakness.

Think of what loveless men have made out of this world:
A cash factory. A corpse factory. A 9-to-5 bore factory.

Think of what it is that has hurt you most, that has made you want to turn
your back on love:
Someone refused to see you through the eyes of love.

Knowing all this, do you still want to join in this dismal conspiracy against love?

You have only one poker chip that matters. Are you going to bet it all on red, or on black?

(food for thought in poetic form)

 

[Ruthless]

Think of what you are if your mother dared to see you without eyes of love:
A screaming ball of helpless flesh. A liability. A burden around her neck.
A purposeless sh1t-monster whose every move was a feeble one. A budding disgrace.

Think of what you are if your father never viewed you through eyes of love:
A waste of time. A sinkhole for his efforts. An expenditure.
A boy-man who would never stand equal to himself.

Think of what the populace becomes when politicians dont view them through the eyes of love:
Cattle. Lives to be sacrificed. Pawns whose purpose is to die for 'expediency'.
Participants in a social 'experiment'.

Think of what you are when a woman chooses not to view you through eyes of love:
A source of cash. A momentary release from her frustrated sexual desires.
A way to increase her social standing. A pawn in the game of her own advancement.
A hated, loved, hated, loved mystery figure to be attacked for each sign of weakness.

Think of what loveless men have made out of this world:
A cash factory. A corpse factory. A 9-to-5 bore factory.

Think of what it is that has hurt you most, that has made you want to turn
your back on love:
Someone refused to see you through the eyes of love.

Knowing all this, do you still want to join in this dismal conspiracy against love?

You have only one poker chip that matters. Are you going to bet it all on red, or on black?

(food for thought in poetic form)

Foamy diarrhea of the "heart".

 

[NewJack]

Foamy diarrhea of the "heart".

The best part of your post is how you put heart in quotes - as if to say, you don't even really believe in your own heart's existence.

Thanks for clicking, reading and commenting. It proves that on some level you're curious about love.

 

[Ruthless]

The best part of your post is how you put heart in quotes - as if to say, you don't even really believe in your own heart's existence.

Thanks for clicking, reading and commenting. It proves that on some level you're curious about love.

I believe my heart exists, I feel it beating all the time. I don't feel it deserves to be the seat of love and emotion. Logical thinking and love are not mutually exclusive. In fact, logical thinking about love can lead to a more fulfilling experience. Following pure emotion leads to nothing but constant worry and disappointment.

 

[NewJack]

I don't feel [the heart] deserves to be the seat of love and emotion.
Logical thinking and love are not mutually exclusive. In fact, logical thinking about love can lead to a more fulfilling experience. Following pure emotion leads to nothing but constant worry and disappointment.

I think I understand what you're saying.

There's some confusion in that view, if I may have a go at clearing it up...

Firstly, following pure emotion is a difficult and dangerous thing. It is a rollercoaster that no one can consistently ride without training and protection. I made a post about an Emotional Strength Training Program that guys can use to learn to ride the dragon, and eventually tame it, and make it your best ally.

Logical thinking is fine, but its largely powerless and masturbatory. What you want to have are big, explosive, life-changing experiences with a woman, right? You want to laugh, cry, have a lot of orgasms, and feel like you are flirting with the meaning of life maybe in some ways that aren't clear to understand, right? Only the emotions will give you those experiences. If you box in the emotions, you limit both your pain *and* your joy.

I'm glad to hear that you're interested in love. I don't blame you for being afraid of the sheer strength of emotions. Their strength over us can be terrifying.

 

[PlayHer Man]

I think "like" is a much better and less dangerous emotion than "love" for all parties involved.

When you like people and they disappoint you.. in most cases you just shrug and move on. When you love people and they disappoint you it can cause all kinds of problems (crimes of passion, etc.).

Liking people/things is enough IMO. Love is for faggots, co-dependent people and those with a "void" they need to fill.

 

[BraddH]

I think "like" is a much better and less dangerous emotion than "love" for all parties involved.

When you like people and they disappoint you.. in most cases you just shrug and move on. When you love people and they disappoint you it can cause all kinds of problems (crimes of passion, etc.).

Liking people/things is enough IMO. Love is for faggots, co-dependent people and those with a "void" they need to fill.

You are the most stupid human being I have ever met.

 

[NewJack]

I think "like" is a much better and less dangerous emotion than "love" for all parties involved.

I think thats a pretty lucid analysis actually. But there is something else to be said here.

"Liking" is certainly less dangerous, but its also lukewarm. "Liking" is safe, but it will never rock your world. "Liking" won't spin you into depression, but it won't give you euphoria or joy either.

Also, I'm pretty sure that we're experiencing love but are pretending to just 'like'. So there may be an element of self-dishonesty going on there, sometimes out of just pure fear of the l-word in our society. I like the guy that works at the Deli near my house. I hope your experiences with girls are more intense and powerful than my conversations with the guy who works at my deli.

I'm sure we all know the paradigm of little risk, little reward & big risk, big reward.
Also known as give a lot, get a lot; give a little, get a little. This also holds true in this game.

Isn't it also interesting to observe that we men, who are supposed to be risk takers, are suddenly interested in the "safe" bet? Suddenly interested in playing it safe. Of course, this conflicts with my gangster self-image. I chose a funny word but I actually mean that. I can't face myself in the mirror after a week of making 100% safe choices.

 

[Ruthless]

Logical thinking is fine, but its largely powerless and masturbatory. What you want to have are big, explosive, life-changing experiences with a woman, right? You want to laugh, cry, have a lot of orgasms, and feel like you are flirting with the meaning of life maybe in some ways that aren't clear to understand, right? Only the emotions will give you those experiences. If you box in the emotions, you limit both your pain *and* your joy.

Logical thinking is what keeps you moving forward after the everyday let downs in life. Emotion tells you to jump off a bridge but, your mind says "screw that noise, check out the redhead over there!"

There is a lot of good life to live without going to extremes of emotion or action.

The cute little jab about "being afraid" is far from the truth. I've yet to be afraid to do what needs done, anything else is irrevelant.

We gonna see who can piss farthest next?

 

[NewJack]

Logical thinking is what keeps you moving forward after the everyday let downs in life. Emotion tells you to jump off a bridge but, your mind says "screw that noise, check out the redhead over there!"

There is a lot of good life to live without going to extremes of emotion or action.

The cute little jab about "being afraid" is far from the truth. I've yet to be afraid to do what needs done, anything else is irrevelant.

I'm happy you showed up for this thread. You see I myself am not the best example of the teachings I'm trying to express, otherwise I would be able to treat you better. You see the jabs in my posts, the condescension, the air of superiority? Let's just say I'm aware of the problem and am working on it.

I stand by my statement that your emotions scare you. I can't dive into your world like a fully-staffed legal team and use your own experience to prove this to you, though.

Your heart is telling you to jump off a bridge? Yeah, well, thats how bad pain can get. Obviously letting those feelings guide you is a dangerous thing indeed. I know pain like that in my past too.

My question is: how is a person who feels so bad inside, going to be able to peacefully integrate with other human beings in a loving and meaningful way? This pain that you have inside.... how are you going to solve that riddle?

 

[PlayHer Man]

I think thats a pretty lucid analysis actually. But there is something else to be said here.

"Liking" is certainly less dangerous, but its also lukewarm. "Liking" is safe, but it will never rock your world. "Liking" won't spin you into depression, but it won't give you euphoria or joy either.

Also, I'm pretty sure that we're experiencing love but are pretending to just 'like'. So there may be an element of self-dishonesty going on there, sometimes out of just pure fear of the l-word in our society. I like the guy that works at the Deli near my house. I hope your experiences with girls are more intense and powerful than my conversations with the guy who works at my deli.

I'm sure we all know the paradigm of little risk, little reward & big risk, big reward.
Also known as give a lot, get a lot; give a little, get a little. This also holds true in this game.

Isn't it also interesting to observe that we men, who are supposed to be risk takers, are suddenly interested in the "safe" bet? Suddenly interested in playing it safe. Of course, this conflicts with my gangster self-image. I chose a funny word but I actually mean that. I can't face myself in the mirror after a week of making 100% safe choices.

You don't have to be in love to experience joy or euphoria. There is a lot more to life than relationships with women. Anyone with life experience knows this. Joy and euphoria don't even have to involve dealing with women. It can come from winning a game, getting a new job, etc.

Regarding making "safe" choices vs. taking risks.. there is a fine line between bold choices and stupid choices. Taking a risk just for the hell of it is retarded. Lets all jump a cliff with our cars because we are "real men". We might die but f*ck it! :crackup:

Love is a fleeting emotion that clouds your judgement and puts a woman in control of you. I don't see why its smart or necessary to give a woman power over you.. just so you can sing in the shower and skip around like a faggot for a few weeks/months.

 

[Ruthless]

I like you. I bet you can run some strong game on women playing the "deep" angle. You're like Dr. Phil fishin for poon. Lol

 

[NewJack]

I like you. I bet you can run some strong game on women playing the "deep" angle. You're like Dr. Phil fishin for poon. Lol

Thanks, I like you too. I guess we are 'faggots' now? lol.

Yeah, running the deep angle on girls is pretty swish. and.... I'm just gonna leave it at that.

 

[MikeOck]

Think of what you are if your mother dared to see you without eyes of love:
A screaming ball of helpless flesh. A liability. A burden around her neck.
A purposeless sh1t-monster whose every move was a feeble one. A budding disgrace.

Think of what you are if your father never viewed you through eyes of love:
A waste of time. A sinkhole for his efforts. An expenditure.
A boy-man who would never stand equal to himself.

Unconditional love is between a parent and child. Don't ever make the mistake of believing any other woman will ever love you like your parents love you.

Think of what the populace becomes when politicians dont view them through the eyes of love:
Cattle. Lives to be sacrificed. Pawns whose purpose is to die for 'expediency'.
Participants in a social 'experiment'.

Welcome to adulthood. The hay stacks are to your left. Feel free to help yourself, just make sure you've slaved away for at least 8 hours each day before you eat.

Think of what you are when a woman chooses not to view you through eyes of love:
A source of cash. A momentary release from her frustrated sexual desires.
A way to increase her social standing. A pawn in the game of her own advancement.
A hated, loved, hated, loved mystery figure to be attacked for each sign of weakness.

Again, welcome to humanity. When you think you've found True Love, tell the love of your life that you've been laid off. The timer has been set and if you aren't making money asap you will soon realize what unconditional love really is.

Think of what loveless men have made out of this world:
A cash factory. A corpse factory. A 9-to-5 bore factory.

Love for you seems to be a Disney Fairytale and can only come from someone else. Until you learn to love yourself, and love your life, you will never find real happiness.

Think of what it is that has hurt you most, that has made you want to turn
your back on love:
Someone refused to see you through the eyes of love.

Knowing all this, do you still want to join in this dismal conspiracy against love?

You have only one poker chip that matters. Are you going to bet it all on red, or on black?

(food for thought in poetic form)

What hurts people most is not other people, it is their own unrealistic expectations of other people. If you expect someone to love you unconditionally like your mother did, you are in for repeated disappointments.

 

[NewJack]

You don't have to be in love to experience joy or euphoria. There is a lot more to life than relationships with women. Anyone with life experience knows this. Joy and euphoria don't even have to involve dealing with women. It can come from winning a game, getting a new job, etc.

Regarding making "safe" choices vs. taking risks.. there is a fine line between bold choices and stupid choices. Taking a risk just for the hell of it is retarded. Lets all jump a cliff with our cars because we are "real men". We might die but f*ck it! :crackup:

Love is a fleeting emotion that clouds your judgement and puts a woman in control of you. I don't see why its smart or necessary to give a woman power over you.. just so you can sing in the shower and skip around like a faggot for a few weeks/months.

Thanks for having the guts to stand up and speak your truth, PlayHer. I appreciate the clarity of thought going on in your post. It's made me have an idea that I may torture forum members with in the future, in the form of another post.

As far as a point-for-point goes, I think the fundamentals that we disagree on are actually occuring one level below the level we're having this conversation on. I don't want to bludgeon you with cartoonish strawman arguments into making the life choices I've made.

But when we get down to fundamentals, we may disagree less than we think. Stay tuned.

 

[5string]

Henry David Thoreau?

I'll be darned.

 

[NewJack]

What hurts people most is not other people, it is their own unrealistic expectations of other people. If you expect someone to love you unconditionally like your mother did, you are in for repeated disappointments.

Mike, you make some great points.

The challenge you raise in essence is this: I speak of love as an ideal, as a Higher Truth. I'm very much not kidding when I say there are religious aspects to this discovery.

You say: How can this help the man in the street? How can we square this Ideal of love, with the difficult reality of our day-to-day lives? How do I take this poetic notion and live it on the day-to-day? Also, without betraying my felt reality, and my truth - which is that life is a gritty, sh1tty grinder at a melancholic borefest?

And you suggest the distinction between parental love and the other kinds of love we experience. I'm content with all these amendments. I knew that Love as a Concept was going to be challenging for most people.

I will have to address these amendments as time becomes available. Thanks.

 

[VikingKing]

I think "like" is a much better and less dangerous emotion than "love" for all parties involved.

When you like people and they disappoint you.. in most cases you just shrug and move on. When you love people and they disappoint you it can cause all kinds of problems (crimes of passion, etc.).

Liking people/things is enough IMO. Love is for faggots, co-dependent people and those with a "void" they need to fill.

Very true. I wish some one taught me this when I was a kid.

 

[VikingKing]

I think thats a pretty lucid analysis actually. But there is something else to be said here.

"Liking" is certainly less dangerous, but its also lukewarm. "Liking" is safe, but it will never rock your world. "Liking" won't spin you into depression, but it won't give you euphoria or joy either.

Also, I'm pretty sure that we're experiencing love but are pretending to just 'like'. So there may be an element of self-dishonesty going on there, sometimes out of just pure fear of the l-word in our society. I like the guy that works at the Deli near my house. I hope your experiences with girls are more intense and powerful than my conversations with the guy who works at my deli.

I'm sure we all know the paradigm of little risk, little reward & big risk, big reward.
Also known as give a lot, get a lot; give a little, get a little. This also holds true in this game.

Isn't it also interesting to observe that we men, who are supposed to be risk takers, are suddenly interested in the "safe" bet? Suddenly interested in playing it safe. Of course, this conflicts with my gangster self-image. I chose a funny word but I actually mean that. I can't face myself in the mirror after a week of making 100% safe choices.

You should rock your own world. Never depend on some one else to make you happy. That's called being a codependent fag.

 

[BraddH]

You should rock your own world. Never depend on some one else to make you happy. That's called being a codependent fag.

How can you not depend on something? Whetever you know it or not, anything that you enjoy is part of the other? Now how can you love in this world without the other? Everything is interdependent.