trump can do it, all the way

[YawataNoKami]

I'm going to try to say this without diping my toe in a raciial dicussion... please forgive me mods


You know what the real irony about obama winning the presidency is? He was able to get away with one of the most blatantly.... unfocused president campaign messages in american history. "change". Mind you I voted for obama. I like obama. But people took one look at him, saw he's black, and added change to the equation and voted for him because they figured the black president had to be vastly different from all the other white presidents we've had. how can you have any more "change" than having a black president? Even people who I would not consider "racist" still voted for him on the thought that he had to be different because he was in fact black..


When in reality he's more conservative than Clinton will ever be. He's no different than the last 3 democrat presidents that we'e had. He's more conservative on drugs in american then the war on drugs president was lol. He's spent more on the war on drugs every year that he's been in office.


The irony being that, a lot of conservatives will vote for trump not realizing that in a lot of ways, he's more liberal, a lot more liberal than Obama could ever dream of different. Trump, rather you like him or don't like you , you have to agree on this.. if he is elected president,, some real **** will be changed. For better or for worse.

Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

Destroying the middles class had a running start before the Great Divider got in illegally. His actions speak much louder than his words do. Socialist, to be sure, I am on the fence on the communist part.


And 1/2 of this country calls the other half racists for speaking the truth about Obama. Read his books and listen to his past words. The evidence comes from his own mouth. He is taking the US down from within.

And what's worse is that that equally messed up Hillary Clinton is about to be our next president. We will not survive as a nation.

 

[backbreaker]

Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

....not really no lol

Socialist, to be sure, I am on the fence on the communist part.'

one can't be socialist and communist at the time. it's really chic to throw these words out these days but they mean 2 totally different things and are two totally conflicting ideologies. one believes that there are no classes in soceity and everyonei s the same (communism) and the other believes that there are classes and gives everyone equal asses (I meant to say access but this typo is so bad ass i'm just gonna leave it; all guys should be given equal asses lol), as much as possible at least to allow people to rise up to various class levels based on their own individual skillset. Germany went to war with the Soviets becuase one was socialist (Germany) and one was communist (Soviet Union).

Hitler hated communists damn near as much as he hated Jews; like litarlly the first thing he did when in power was shut down labor unions which he saw as communism. And to sit here and to throw around the two words like you are like they are 2 of the same thing would be laughable if i did not have to at the same time realize the people you actually vote. You'd be better off reading the communist manifesto then voting at this point


it's like stupid people think everything with a -ist at the end of it is the same thing lol

Socialism gets a bad rap but just about every country worth a **** has socialist aspect to it; If not for socialism there is never a Napoleon Bonaparte as he was given a free ride to military school becuase he was really smart. Whereas in the past and even then everyone else there was there because their father new someone or had an important rank. Socialism helps maintain that the best have every opportunity to rise as far as they can. Richard Nixon never becomes president because he grew up dirt poor and could not afford schooling unless it was free. Socialism is not a bad thing.


Barrack is a lot of things, communist is not one of them. There are no classes in a communist society and the wage gap between the rich and ppoor has never been higher.

lol @ communist.. stupid people lol. Then again in the history of political movements there is a reason why hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot and amin;, from ISIS who targets the desperatly poor uneducated musliams in the middle east all the way back to bloody mary who targed the hearts and minds of poor uneducated cathlotics in England after her brother King Edward was killed to win power even though she had been written out of the line of succession becuase she was bad **** crazy lol, always targeted the working ignorant poor so i can't say i'm really all that surprised that you dont' know the difference between communism and socialism

 

[prison/con.net]

Socialism and Communism ARE the same thing. Communism is just socialism taken to its logical, complete conclusion. There most certainly WERE classes under Communism in Russia. There was the Party and there was everyone who was getting fvcked over cause they were not in the party. Barak wants communism, he just hasn't been able to get us there yet. Hilary wants to be the Next Stalin, and Trump's going to stop her.

 

[piranha45]

Trump's going to stop her?

really, you think that?

you think there are enough sentient, responsible people left in this country to override the sheer numbers of sheep?


I'm fully confident there are not.

 

[prison/con.net]

you're so wrong. Now, whether or not they VOTE properly, that's another issue. But Don is energizing MILLIONS of people. If he can keep the momentum going, he'll win. Hillary's a pos and everyone knows it, so if he can get the nomination, he's got it in the bag. I think that he can FORCE repubs to give him the nomination, cause they'll for SURE lose (and lose congress too) if he runs a third party. Much as they hate him, they hate Hilary more (and for good reason)

 

[Darth]

But Don is energizing MILLIONS of people.

That he is. You should see him on the stump in Iowa. He's confounding all the pundits because they didn't know he had it in him to do all the legwork.

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Trump/Marijuana.php

Trump says he supports legalizing weed. If Hillary doesn't do the same, a lot of otherwise left-wing people are going to vote for Trump instead.

 

[prison/con.net]

p-poor reason to choose a "leader", but we'll take the votes, regardless.

 

[backbreaker]

saying that communism is the same thing as socialism becuase "it's the next logical step" is like saying a chimpanzee is the same thing as a human being becuase " i mean, it's what's obviously going to happen next" right?


no the're not the same thing. Yes they have similarities. But a socialist cannot be a communist just like a chimpanzee cannot be a human.

 

[prison/con.net]

bs, they are one and the same. socialism always leads to communism or some other tyranny in the end, cause you run out of suckers who will keep letting you take their money.

 

[Jaylan]

saying that communism is the same thing as socialism becuase "it's the next logical step" is like saying a chimpanzee is the same thing as a human being becuase " i mean, it's what's obviously going to happen next" right?


no the're not the same thing. Yes they have similarities. But a socialist cannot be a communist just like a chimpanzee cannot be a human.

lmao. Good post.

I really dont understand why people keep trying to conflate communism and socialism. Any socialists Ive talked to hate the idea of communism. And if communism was in fact the finish-point for socialism, could someone explain most of Europe or even Canada?

Americans are always talking about how socialist Canada and much of Europe is...and these places do not seem to be on any path towards communism (at least for those of us who know the distinct differences between socialism and communism.)

 

[prison/con.net]

there is no conflation at all. Socialism leads to more and more taxation, which leads to less and less freedom and it ends up being tryanny. Simple, really. you don't LIKE that reality, so you try to deny it, but you can't.

 

[prison/con.net]

yes, of course, vote properly. See, I"m not a hypocrite like you. What I say is best for everyone,, I do. Not like socialists, who can't WAIT to sucker other people into paying for the socialists living expenses.

 

[Jaylan]

there is no conflation at all. Socialism leads to more and more taxation, which leads to less and less freedom and it ends up being tryanny. Simple, really. you don't LIKE that reality, so you try to deny it, but you can't.

Except that the reality is that socialism and communism are two distinct political and economic systems. Just because a political system can lead to tyranny does NOT mean two political systems will lead into one another.

Hell, look at the tyranny in our capitalist society. For how long have cronny capitalists ran the show to the detriment of the working class and middle class in this nation? Any political system can lead to tyranny. This does not mean that political systems will naturally lead into another.

So again I say, stop trying to conflate communism and socialism. Because really, you're now just trying to create a misguided argument to bolster incorrect claims.

But hey, have at it.

 

[Tenacity]

Except that the reality is that socialism and communism are two distinct political and economic systems. Just because a political system can lead to tyranny does NOT mean two political systems will lead into one another.

Hell, look at the tyranny in our capitalist society. For how long have cronny capitalists ran the show to the detriment of the working class and middle class in this nation? Any political system can lead to tyranny. This does not mean that political systems will naturally lead into another.

So again I say, stop trying to conflate communism and socialism. Because really, you're now just trying to create a misguided argument to bolster incorrect claims.

But hey, have at it.

The corrupt Capitalists have not been the biggest threat to the middle and working class, in fact the biggest threats to them have been:

- Robotics (the reason why productivity has gone up but salaries haven't, the technology is getting more shyt done)

- Globalization

- Inflation

You can add to this poor budgets, having kids they can't afford, buying too much house, buying degrees they can't afford, having marriages AND divorces they can't afford, a total LACK of long-term investing, etc.

 

[Jaylan]

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Trump/Marijuana.php

Trump says he supports legalizing weed. If Hillary doesn't do the same, a lot of otherwise left-wing people are going to vote for Trump instead.

Untrue.

It takes A LOT more than supporting weed in order to woo left wing voters. Trump has already lost a ton of potential voters due to his comments on war, immigration, and healthcare. No way is he getting a left wing vote. Weed is low on the totem pole...very low. Left wingers are very turned off by Trump saying he wants boots on the ground again in Iraq and taking oil, deporting 11 million people, and tearing up Obamacare.

Also, every poll so far shows him losing a general election to a democratic candidate. There are just too many independents and even republicans who will refuse to vote for him. They know he's a fraud.

Trump is not any sort of real change. He's the part of the 1% that spent years and years buying off politicians. Its hilarious to me that any conservative believes Trump shares their beliefs and has their best interest at heart. Just look at how he's spent money and his quotes in the recent past.

The man is a centrist at best and even has quotes out there where he's called himself a democrat. The GOP is getting set up for another Ross Perot type election.

 

[Tictac]

It would be best for citizens, voters and taxpayers if both Trump and Sanders split from the unified dem/rep system to run as independents.

Both major parties are now one front that delivers tax and debt payments from the middle class to those on the ends of the economic spectrum in order to stay in power. DC is little more than Disneyworld for the megalomaniac deranged to do with government what they cannot otherwise do.

A government for a place as large as the U.S. in terms of population, geography and diversity can only be so small. But we ought to be finding out how small a federal government can be that produces the greates good for the greatest number rather than how large federal government can get before it collapses the nation.

Nothing else but that will stop the leviathan.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

....not really no lol



one can't be socialist and communist at the time. it's really chic to throw these words out these days but they mean 2 totally different things and are two totally conflicting ideologies. one believes that there are no classes in soceity and everyonei s the same (communism) and the other believes that there are classes and gives everyone equal asses (I meant to say access but this typo is so bad ass i'm just gonna leave it; all guys should be given equal asses lol), as much as possible at least to allow people to rise up to various class levels based on their own individual skillset. Germany went to war with the Soviets becuase one was socialist (Germany) and one was communist (Soviet Union).

Hitler hated communists damn near as much as he hated Jews; like litarlly the first thing he did when in power was shut down labor unions which he saw as communism. And to sit here and to throw around the two words like you are like they are 2 of the same thing would be laughable if i did not have to at the same time realize the people you actually vote. You'd be better off reading the communist manifesto then voting at this point


it's like stupid people think everything with a -ist at the end of it is the same thing lol

Socialism gets a bad rap but just about every country worth a **** has socialist aspect to it; If not for socialism there is never a Napoleon Bonaparte as he was given a free ride to military school becuase he was really smart. Whereas in the past and even then everyone else there was there because their father new someone or had an important rank. Socialism helps maintain that the best have every opportunity to rise as far as they can. Richard Nixon never becomes president because he grew up dirt poor and could not afford schooling unless it was free. Socialism is not a bad thing.


Barrack is a lot of things, communist is not one of them. There are no classes in a communist society and the wage gap between the rich and ppoor has never been higher.

lol @ communist.. stupid people lol. Then again in the history of political movements there is a reason why hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot and amin;, from ISIS who targets the desperatly poor uneducated musliams in the middle east all the way back to bloody mary who targed the hearts and minds of poor uneducated cathlotics in England after her brother King Edward was killed to win power even though she had been written out of the line of succession becuase she was bad **** crazy lol, always targeted the working ignorant poor so i can't say i'm really all that surprised that you dont' know the difference between communism and socialism

Dear god BB there is so much derp in your post I don't know where to start because it's all over the place.

Socialism is a form a communism. Socialism is an institution in a nation that is attempting to make progress to full and true communism. To this day, no nation, including the former Soviet Union, has ever implemented true communism based on the definition of what communism is - and that is a nation free from all classes, free of all monetary policy, all aspects of one's needs and wants in life are also "free" since the government provides it, and technically there should also be no government as we know it today.

But like I said, true communism has never been implemented anywhere. Human nature being what it is simply won't ever allow for it, period. Socialism is the term given to nations undergoing that period of transition, and believe me, those nations will always be in a period of transition because those at the top will not want to give up their power.

Germany and the USSR didn't get into with each other because of conflicting ideologies. It was nothing more than a global scale case of "when a$$holes collide" between Hitler and Stalin. There's all sorts of history surrounding their treaties, diplomacy, all sorts of interactions leading up to 1939, but just simplifying it, it was 2 guys with large egos and neither one wanted the other at the top. Monarchs throughout history did this stuff all the time.

"Socialism isn't a bad thing"? Look, one thing I've noticed is that no matter how many black people I talk to, the vast majority still think Obama is a good guy. It was simply the color of his skin that got him into the White House, period. The "change" aspect was just giving his campaign a title of sorts. Obama has been without a doubt the worst president since Carter yet none of these black people I've talked to can ever admit this. Racial aspects that divide our nation are very real and we can't work past them until people on both sides can admit that guys of all colors, races and creeds can screw up.

Most people I have ever spoken to who consider socialism a "good thing" either don't truly understand what socialism is, or they're one of the ones on the receiving end of .gov handouts. Have you ever talked to people who lived in former communist countries, like in eastern Europe and Russia? I have and one thing I've picked out is that those folks who state their life actually wasn't too bad...that they weren't wealthy by any means but they felt taken care of....those are the people who are on the .gov dole consistently in nations like the U.S. The majority of these people had no real marketable skillsets; by and large they were artists of some kind in their former countries.

Does this mean those people need to be tossed out in the cold because they have no value in a somewhat capitalist society here in the U.S.? No, but they don't deserve to receive free money or any other freebies from the .gov because the .gov gets the money from taxes of people who work to generate wealth. They can still explore their artistic side if they want, but the socialist aspect of it? Hell no, simply because they exist does not entitle them to some portion of my tax dollars because they can't support themselves.

 

[Tictac]

You'll never have unrestrained capitalism or socialism. They are both ideas.

I love it when numb nuts say that 'roads and the military are socialism'. That's horse pucky. But guys like Bill Moyers go off on how 'unrestrained capitalism' is ruining everything. Unrestrained? It's quite the opposite. Corporations find it a good return on investment to buy laws, regulations and a tax code from government. That's not capitalism at all. It's cronyism. And it works all the way to totalitarian states.

PJ O'Rourke once called socialism 'communism lite'. And he's right. You're always going to have some government involvement in the economy and thus businesses if for no other reason than that government enables incorporation by law and enforces it by regulation. From that simple start it gets ever more involved, some of it necessary.

Where it goes off is when big business, big labor, big law, big education.... buys what it needs from government instead of having to actually earn it in the economy.

 

[speed dawg]

Dear god BB there is so much derp in your post I don't know where to start because it's all over the place.

Socialism is a form a communism. Socialism is an institution in a nation that is attempting to make progress to full and true communism. To this day, no nation, including the former Soviet Union, has ever implemented true communism based on the definition of what communism is - and that is a nation free from all classes, free of all monetary policy, all aspects of one's needs and wants in life are also "free" since the government provides it, and technically there should also be no government as we know it today.

But like I said, true communism has never been implemented anywhere. Human nature being what it is simply won't ever allow for it, period. Socialism is the term given to nations undergoing that period of transition, and believe me, those nations will always be in a period of transition because those at the top will not want to give up their power.

Germany and the USSR didn't get into with each other because of conflicting ideologies. It was nothing more than a global scale case of "when a$$holes collide" between Hitler and Stalin. There's all sorts of history surrounding their treaties, diplomacy, all sorts of interactions leading up to 1939, but just simplifying it, it was 2 guys with large egos and neither one wanted the other at the top. Monarchs throughout history did this stuff all the time.

"Socialism isn't a bad thing"? Look, one thing I've noticed is that no matter how many black people I talk to, the vast majority still think Obama is a good guy. It was simply the color of his skin that got him into the White House, period. The "change" aspect was just giving his campaign a title of sorts. Obama has been without a doubt the worst president since Carter yet none of these black people I've talked to can ever admit this. Racial aspects that divide our nation are very real and we can't work past them until people on both sides can admit that guys of all colors, races and creeds can screw up.

Most people I have ever spoken to who consider socialism a "good thing" either don't truly understand what socialism is, or they're one of the ones on the receiving end of .gov handouts. Have you ever talked to people who lived in former communist countries, like in eastern Europe and Russia? I have and one thing I've picked out is that those folks who state their life actually wasn't too bad...that they weren't wealthy by any means but they felt taken care of....those are the people who are on the .gov dole consistently in nations like the U.S. The majority of these people had no real marketable skillsets; by and large they were artists of some kind in their former countries.

Does this mean those people need to be tossed out in the cold because they have no value in a somewhat capitalist society here in the U.S.? No, but they don't deserve to receive free money or any other freebies from the .gov because the .gov gets the money from taxes of people who work to generate wealth. They can still explore their artistic side if they want, but the socialist aspect of it? Hell no, simply because they exist does not entitle them to some portion of my tax dollars because they can't support themselves.

This should be stickied.