Treat women as kids.

[RedPill]

So many stereotypes flying around here. God some of you guys really need to get away from the TV and computer and go meet some women.

As for this debate about whether women can be hot and smart. Are you saying that only ugly or non-feminine women graduate university? And you have never had a hot school teacher? You've never seen a hot woman giving financial advice in a bank?

It's the exception, not the rule. Is the far majority of the female faculty at your local university slammin'? I doubt it. Also, graduating from a university, teaching the basics, and working in a bank does not make one smart - usually it means you're a good worker bee. It never ceases to amaze me when I run into people I graduated from business school with who are working in the mall.

"Stereotypes are horrible" is a feminist ideal, as is just about anything else that could be classified as politically correct. Sure there are a few chicks that can hold their ground intellectually, but what percentage of them are emotionally-driven, submissive in nature, and most concerned about staying hot? Like it or not, these are the traits that constitute femininity.

TRUTH, why all the anger? I can appreciate where you're coming from with your 'get away from the computer' stance, but there's no need to get emotional here. Can you honestly say that the arguments put forth by SamePendo, ( . ) ( . ), myself, squirrels, and diplomatic_lies (and anyone else I missed) aren't congruent with reality 98% of the time? You're using outliers to disprove strong trends.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Hey if guys are so logical, why does every political thread on this male forum turn into a flame war?

I don't like making broad sweeping generalisations like "all women are like children". Its like saying all blacks are criminals, or all jews are thieves, or all caucasians are homosexuals.

 

[Bvbidd]

RedPill..

Who the fvck are you to decide what is femimine and what is not?

No seriously.. If you are not getting laid by a different chick everyday please don't give serious input.

This website is not what your looking for Redpill.

It's supposed to help you get laid, by people who get laid giving advice. Not "intellectual" arguements that have nothing to do with reality.

 

[wrender]

Perhaps the real point of the statement "Treat women as kids" is being misunderstood here. I think Pook said it best in Lesson 13.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=59150

The idea here is not to assume women aren't or cannont be smart. Let's be honest, there are dumb women, average women and there are smart women. The real point is that it shouldn't affect your game and how you play it. It's about having fun and appealing to the youthful nature in all of us.

 

[Bvbidd]

I find it hilarious that you think all guys are intellectual. (Redpill)

The whole women/man thing have nothing to do with being a nerd or discussing things that mean absolutley nothing in the real world.

Yeah your right, most women don't talk about any of that, neither do most guys.

And no offence, but any guy who does talk about this as some sort of hobby.. most women won't think of you as much of a man guys.

Even the smart ones, they would understand how pointless and stupid you look when they are actually attempting to have fun.

 

[RedPill]

I find it hilarious that you think all guys are intellectual. (Redpill)

Relax man.

You're right, intellectual is not necessarily the best description. I'll defer to the Deep Dish description mentioned earlier in the thread.

This is getting way off topic. SamePendo's original advice is not bad advice for many women, in my opinion. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Randomer]

Most HB women I talk to haven't a clue or care about politics. In fact, HB's are mostly concerned with their family, their looks, their money (job), their cell-phine design cover, and the latest Vh1 Top 20 countdown show.

i've noticed u only say "HB" I'm curious, in your post do you mean ONLY really physically fine looking girls or can "HB" apply to all girls?

PS: If the girls u talk to are really all *most* concerned in their cell phone design cover and the latest VH1 show, I think that just says something about a specific type of girl that it seems you often get with

 

[SamePendo]

Ok, to the guys that are obviously against what is being argued here, give us a chance, think a bit like us, you've thought about women in the way you have for a lifetime, try not to be hostile against what is being said, look for truth in it, look for it in everyday life.

:flowers:?

 

[Adone]

Pendo mate dont bother feeding the K.J with logic, I suspect what brought the crab scurrying out was just the title of your post anyway (auto response knee jerk reaction to anything outside the social norm), he/she doesnt give a fvck about the content of what your actually talking about.

Anyway your absolutely right, guys that actually "get it" and fvck women tend to realise a trend of the best way to treat them, and that is indeed a childlike approach. I think it was also Anti-Dump? maybe that said to treat a b!tch like you would your little sister. same deal as your getting at.

Personally, I think that the title is something that works, while the content is crap. I DO treat women as kids, meaning that when I date a girl, I don't act serious with her and I make fun of her. I DO NOT treat women as kids, meaning that I consider them ALL less intelligent and less mature.

There's a big difference between these two options.

 

[Adone]

Out of curiosity, what kind of movies do you suppose I watch? Name some please. Women do have education and all that stuff, I believe that in the US and Canada women actually outnumber men in universities.

I was talking about things they do in their free time... I mean, I didn't know that singing and doing the coreography to a Justin Timberlake song was part of a class in economics.

Neither is sniffing your own farts or looking at porn, but well that's what ALL males do while their significant others are reading cosmo and singing.
You live in a stereotypical world, man

 

[( . )( . )]

Personally, I think that the title is something that works, while the content is crap. I DO treat women as kids, meaning that when I date a girl, I don't act serious with her and I make fun of her. I DO NOT treat women as kids, meaning that I consider them ALL less intelligent and less mature.

There's a big difference between these two options.

Whether your right or wrong I dont thinks its that big a difference.

both guys who treat chicks as kids but for different reasons are still getting layed quicker than those who dont (all things being equal)

And if you think about it isnt you admitting your not serious with her and bust her balls just a polite way of saying she is in fact less intelligant and less mature?

And really, is it that wrong admitting men are smarter than women anyway? good for her. Men are less nurturing and socially aware, bad for him. See it all evens out.

 

[Deep Dish]

What's this bullsh1t quote? First of all, I rarely hear men talk about meteorology or nihilism. It's not exactly the common topic down the local bar. Secondly, I DO hear women have intellectual conversations with each other and I have had deep discussions with women about vegitarianism, politics, the education system, literature and so on. So this quote is factually WRONG!

It amuses me that I'm accused of being a keyboard jockey when I'm not the one making false assumptions about women based on theoretical posts like the one quoted above.

Buddy, I openly encourage you to find any group of two or more felines—teenage girls, MILFs, grandmothers, it really doesn't make a lick of difference—talking amongst themselves, with no guys in the conversational group, talking at leisure about whatever they want. The only thing they will ever talk about is people, either their life or the lives of others. They may mention hair products or food but only in passing and woven into this big f*cking story of someone's life.

I dare you to find a single exception. What do you have to lose? It's just a few minutes of your time. Find the most brilliant, ambitious, intellectually driven woman you can find, even with the most brilliant, ambitious, intellectually driven colleagues. I can stand the heat. I don't care if they are grad students. Whomever you find, simply listen. There must be absolutely no guys involved, no exceptions. Also, they can't be talking in the context of a study group or debate club or any other context which artificially forces them to think about something in particular. Again, just at leisure, girl talk.

What you will find, I assure you, and don't just take my word for it, is that those few minutes of your time—after all, how hard can it be to find a "smart" woman?—turns into an hour, then a day, then a week, then months and years.

So go ahead, prove my "theoretical bull" wrong. I dare you. :nervous:

 

[Remulak]

There are brilliant driven women but there's one big problem, they're usually ugly.

 

[Adone]

And if you think about it isnt you admitting your not serious with her and bust her balls just a polite way of saying she is in fact less intelligant and less mature?

And really, is it that wrong admitting men are smarter than women anyway? good for her. Men are less nurturing and socially aware, bad for him. See it all evens out.

1. No, I do that with some buddies of mine who are probably more intelligent than me.

2. An educated man and an educated woman have, on average, the same "smartness", period.

 

[Adone]

Buddy, I openly encourage you to find any group of two or more felines—teenage girls, MILFs, grandmothers, it really doesn't make a lick of difference—talking amongst themselves, with no guys in the conversational group, talking at leisure about whatever they want. The only thing they will ever talk about is people, either their life or the lives of others. They may mention hair products or food but only in passing and woven into this big f*cking story of someone's life.

I dare you to find a single exception. What do you have to lose? It's just a few minutes of your time. Find the most brilliant, ambitious, intellectually driven woman you can find, even with the most brilliant, ambitious, intellectually driven colleagues. I can stand the heat. I don't care if they are grad students. Whomever you find, simply listen. There must be absolutely no guys involved, no exceptions. Also, they can't be talking in the context of a study group or debate club or any other context which artificially forces them to think about something in particular. Again, just at leisure, girl talk.

What you will find, I assure you, and don't just take my word for it, is that those few minutes of your time—after all, how hard can it be to find a "smart" woman?—turns into an hour, then a day, then a week, then months and years.

So go ahead, prove my "theoretical bull" wrong. I dare you. :nervous:

I don't get your point, men talking at leisure usually discuss about sports, women and cars, topics that are at the same level of those discussed by ladies.

 

[realsmoothie]

LOL, this thread is absolutely killing me. I never knew misogyny was so prevalent.

I love how some of you insist that women never talk about anything intellectual... while I'm pretty positive that NEITHER DO YOU.

Gimme a break. My university is full of women... why? Because our North American culture has come to such an anti-intellectual state of mind (due to deriving its identity from fighting off a country - England - very clearly more educated and intelligent) that being smart is somehow bad.

We laugh at smart people, call them nerds, and elect absolute morons (gee, wonder who) as our leaders.

Get over it. The reason you're not getting laid is not because women out there are treating themselves as individuals. Treating them like little kids might find you an empty-headed Barbie, and if that's all you're looking for, more power to you.

But for those of us looking for a WOMAN and not a CHILD, maybe a little respect is in order.

Note that this doesn't mean ignoring the generalities of sex and gender. It's OK to treat a woman like a woman, you just don't have to be so extreme with it. It, like everything else, is about balance.

 

[The Truth]

Buddy, I openly encourage you to find any group of two or more felines—teenage girls, MILFs, grandmothers, it really doesn't make a lick of difference—talking amongst themselves, with no guys in the conversational group, talking at leisure about whatever they want. The only thing they will ever talk about is people, either their life or the lives of others. They may mention hair products or food but only in passing and woven into this big f*cking story of someone's life.

I dare you to find a single exception.

Well I didn't have a dictaphone or anything to record them because...well that's creepy, but I can recall 2 conversations I overheard in just the past week that are exceptions.

The first involved 2 women, late 20s and they were discussing the gym and working out. From what I could gather one of them was a real health freak and was giving the other tips. The reason I remember this conversation was because I was really interested in what she was saying. She discussed protein intake, when and when not to eat carbs, rest times and so on.

Monday I overheard another conversation between 3 girls in their early 20s and the reason I remember it was because it was a very strange conversation! They were discussing forensic science and how to commit the perfect murder. They were saying how the easiest part would be the killing, but disposing of the body is the hard part. One of the girls suggested burial, then the other said the disturbed soil and the smell would be a give away. She suggested burning, but was told that bones don't burn unless you have extreme temperatures. For the record, they were joking and talking theoretically about how they would fool forensic scientists. I think the one girl was a nurse.

So that's just 2 exceptions I've heard. A while ago I recall hearing 2 women discussing Ipods too.

 

[Deep Dish]

Well I didn't have a dictaphone or anything to record them because...well that's creepy, but I can recall 2 conversations I overheard in just the past week that are exceptions.

The first involved 2 women, late 20s and they were discussing the gym and working out. From what I could gather one of them was a real health freak and was giving the other tips. The reason I remember this conversation was because I was really interested in what she was saying. She discussed protein intake, when and when not to eat carbs, rest times and so on.

Monday I overheard another conversation between 3 girls in their early 20s and the reason I remember it was because it was a very strange conversation! They were discussing forensic science and how to commit the perfect murder. They were saying how the easiest part would be the killing, but disposing of the body is the hard part. One of the girls suggested burial, then the other said the disturbed soil and the smell would be a give away. She suggested burning, but was told that bones don't burn unless you have extreme temperatures. For the record, they were joking and talking theoretically about how they would fool forensic scientists. I think the one girl was a nurse.

So that's just 2 exceptions I've heard. A while ago I recall hearing 2 women discussing Ipods too.

That's all well and fine except I don't necessarily believe you. In this matter I only believe what I actually witness for myself, so that I know all the variable controls were properly in place and to prevent people bamboozling me with fake or altered stories just to throw me off.

I do have to clarify that indeed women are found mentioning other things, like hair products, where they got their wardrobe, but always briefly, never in a sustained manner, nothing deep and profound, and always wrapped up in a larger story either about themself (people) or other people. I mean, even for times when it seems that they might be embarking on some topic other than people, see how long they can go without saying the words "I", "she", "he", "they", "we", or "us". In the time it takes to hold your breath, they can never resist the temptation to talk about people.

Even your examples don't seem rather impressive. Health, that's about people. Murdering someone and where to place the body is about people. And in the context of joking?, please. Even if we were to grant that health is not talking about people, women cannot resist the urge to relate the topic to other people; e.g. they talk about their own experiences (which again counts for talking about people) and what their friends or relatives have done, e.g. "My brother just lost a lot of weight." Now, if those women talking about murder had a serious discussion, with no guys in the conversational group, for an extended period of time, without constant interruptions of "I" "he" "she" and other nuisance words; discussed livor mortis, rigor mortis, explained why the diameter of entry gunshot wounds are always smaller than the penetrating bullet and why the faster the bullet the smaller the hole (because the impact of the bulllet stretches the elastic skin); I might have been impressed.

I don't get your point, men talking at leisure usually discuss about sports, women and cars, topics that are at the same level of those discussed by ladies.

When women are engaged in girl talk, they talk about their mundane bubble life and about relationships, either of their own or others. When they get into deep conversations, they analyze people and different strategies towards particular situations. But that's it. Conversely, whereas men do also spend a good amount of time talking about people, we also talk about other things. We are known to sit in coffee shops, in houses, restaurants, or even at work and engage in debates over politics, global warming, religion, with friendly hostility. I have had friends who will disagree with me and get me into a debate just to see me get pissed off. To us, argument is sport. My point is there is no female equivalent. I do suppose talking about people is a fine subject to talk about—after all, I'm doing it right now—but it'd be nice if they talked about other things.

 

[Black Casanova]

Wow

Wow at keyboard jockeys running around making generalizations about women.

Here's an idea: judge each woman on how you interact with her, and don't say stupid things like "you don't see women discussing intelligent things"

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

I thought this post would have been closed once someone stated the obvious:

We are not talking about women's intellects or physical abilities or interests. We are talking about their emotion state. This board exists because men let their emotions get the best of them and do stupid stuff that keeps them from getting any a$s. Women are as much prisoner to their emotions and societally induced preconcieved notions about love and sex.

Their emotions are shifty, unstable, irrational, whatever you want to call it. THAT aspect of them is what you treat like a child, not necessarily in regular day-to-day conversating.

It's not about treating them like a kid physically or intellectually: it's about their emotions.