Trap Of The Nightclub!

[So Many Ways]

Yeah, I got sick of the club scene too.

In Southern California, whether you're going to LA or Orange County, where I stay at, you're hard pressed to find a decent club with a cover charge under $20 and then you have parking or valet, gas at $2.50 a gallon, $4 for water, $6 for a beer, $9 for a watered down vodka tonic all to go to your typical club with a 2/1 male to female ratio. If you actually want to go to a club with hot women, like one of the Hollywood hotspots, then you better know a promoter or something or kick down $300 for a table, or stand in line until 12:30 pm and pay some outrageous entry fee, and spend the next 45 minutes working the place, until they dump you out of the place at 1:20am, then make the long drive back home.

Nowadays, I stick to the bars so even if I strike out, I'm not out $80 and I don't frequent those that much anymore either. Recently I've been frequenting salsa clubs and I've had some success, at least more than I have in regular clubs. I had a series of field reports of myself going to clubs over a year period and I found nothing but frustration and an empty wallet.

 

[Derek Flint]

I don't go to clubs to dance, I go to the "Lounge" type places to meet women.

Here's a response I wrote from an earlier thread on why I think dance clubs are a waste of time compared to bars/pubs/taverns/lounges:

I rarely go to dance clubs anymore.

Instead, I go to the "Bar/Lounge" type places for several reasons:

1) Most of these places don't have dance floors, although they do have ambient background music.
The women that go to these places are there to meet guys, not to dance.

2) The music is more for atmosphere at pubs/lounges and is not ear-splitting loud. It makes it 1000% easier to talk to women and run your game.

When you're at a dance club and you're trying to talk to women, you have to lean in so close to hear/be heard that you can't hold eye contact during conversation and have to yell to communicate.

You say something, and she says "what?" - you repeat yourself, this time louder and she still can't hear you.
Eventually she does, but then you're the one saying "what?" to her reply, and on and on, back and forth.
Very frustrating and a waste of time.

It also makes it difficult to read and to broadcast body language when you have to be inches apart shouting in each others ear to communicate.

Not to mention, most of these places get really crowded to the point where you have to fight your way thru the crowd and wait forever to get a drink or use the bathroom.

And, it gets hot and sweaty in those places due to the large crowd. No thanks.

Then there's always the AMOG meatheads who want to fight if you step on their shoe or bump into them.

3) Dance clubs are often populated with groups of women who are just out for a night of dancing with the girls and nothing more. They enjoy the attention and all the AFC's buying them drinks just so they can dance with them.
Again, the Pub/Lounge going women are pretty much there strictly to meet guys, and their tend to be more "Lone Wolfs" at these types of places than at dance clubs.

4) Dance clubs usually have some cover charge of anywhere from $10.00 to $30.00 or more, as well as a long wait to get in, and the drinks are usually more expensive as well.
If after you wait in line for an hour and drop a fair amount of coin to get in and don't like the scenery, too bad.
Besides, I've got better things to do with my Weekend night(s) out than to stand in line for an hour while watching all the people on the VIP list waltz right in.

Instead, I go to an area in San Francisco where there are about 12-15 upscale pubs/lounges within a two block radius. (The "Triangle" in the Marina district)

You should see how packed the streets get in this area on a weekend night.
It's almost like one big street party. Often times, there are more people outside than inside.

No cover charge or wait to get into any of these places either.

5) If you're not a good dancer, you might not do that well at dance clubs. The alternate is to take the time to learn to dance well.
The problem with that is that it's time-consuming and only helps your game in one environment.

That's time and effort you could be using to hone your DJ skills.
Skills that will help you PU in any environment, not just dance clubs.

In my opinion, the Pub/Lounge scene is a better bet than the Dance Club scene when it comes to meeting and picking up women.

 

[Cod3r]

^ ^ I respect your opinion BUT...

Dance clubs have their own distinct advantages. Females that come with the 'pack' (as i like to call them) are more likely to drink and become drunk rather quickly and are way more open to hooking up, almost too easy sometimes...

Its WAY easier to actually turn a female on in a dance-club. From the start you can easily grab onto her lovlies and if you're smoothe and know how to dance you can pretty much feel up 9's and 10's before you even open your mouth. Kissing on the dance-floor is pretty simple if you've got experience and once you kiss a girl she thinks your 'hers' for the night, its so funny they think you're their partner for 4 hours ?? PLEASE...

Also at dance clubs, if you look good and garner attention from ONE 9 or 10, you basically have a free pass to hook up with any girl in the place, indiscriminate of any facts or preludes. I remember I was walking hand and hand with at least a 9.5FRench/Hispanic what looked like a model, we never hooked up but we talked and laughed and just chilled against the wall grinding for an hour... after that, I had guys buying me drinks and pretty much any girl I wanted from there... easy pickings....

And despite what most of you think, there is ALWAYS those few girls that comes to the club ready to fvck. It's hilarious because the club I used to frequent, all the guys would be looking for these few girls out of about 1000 or so haha (its a huge club). Then when you'd see some dude get her, its like 'damn too slow'. Once you get these girls, its just easy fvcking... if you can't fvck these girls you've got bigger problems than anyone can solve...

Also just for pure fun, dance-clubs are better. I go there, get my drink on and then just go ballistic and am jumping on everyone and I'm everyones friend. The clubs are all crowded and well since I look good, most nights I can just jump on a girl and virtual fvck her from the back without a problem, turn them around, smooch them down, take their hand to a more private area, more hookin up, some d!ck massaging, then either im done... or I work on extraction...

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I will admit one thing tho, it is easier to extract out of a lounge than a dance club. I hooked in with two cousins in a lounge one-time and extraction wasn't even a question, its just implied... also the fact that at lounges its hardly ever cover (highest 10$) they are more keen to leave to another place all the while you amp attraction for the #fvck close....


Both have advantages...



-Cod3r

 

[danielzxc]

Good points cod3r.

Alos, if you'r going to have SIGNIFICANT success at clubs, you need to be good looking.

If you're not, it's still possible to have SOME success at clubs. And it's DEFINITELY possible to have a great time there (especially with a good group of friends). But getting wasted with your friends will probably get old pretty quick if your REAL goal is to get chicks (and the getting wasted and doing "crazy" stuff with your friends is a front to cover your inadequacy).

I used to do really well at clubs. I was a cool, good looking guy, well dressed with plenty of cool friends (social proof) and knew a lot of girls at the clubs I used to frequent (more social proof). When those days started to die down, I hit up some clubs by myself, 'cos I still had high self-esteem from my previous successes. Going alone wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good. Fast-forward a few years later, and my confidence is SHOT and I feel terrified of going to a club alone. And that's even though I'm way more jacked now than I ever was (which really helps for the club environment). I just can't match people's "energy", though, which is what puts me off going. Maybe I should just get wasted first, and for the first few times, just to get used to "being in a club" again. (Oh, my wardrobe needs a MAJOR overhaul too, which is very important for successful clubbing and the first thing that I need to take care of.)

 

[Cod3r]

^ ^ I fell into that trap before...

Once you leave the club scene for a while, it takes a few visits to get used to it again. It's a very high energy place and our bodies aren't used to that sort of thing, I remember when I first met my girL I was at top of my game, then after a few months of being away from clubs and with her... I tried to go out by myself and party it up, I couldn't get a dance, I couldn't get drunk, i mean i didn't know what was up... horrible !

To be truthful I can't remember the last time I was in a club without my girl. Dosen't seem as fun if she isn't around, i'm such a pansy


-Cod3r

 

[danielzxc]

Yeah, I think I'm just gonna have to go and get those first few awkward times out of the way, until I get used to it all again. I wonder if I WILL actually get used to it again. I mean, if I'm just standing in a corner or leaning against the railings watching people on the dancefloor like some loser, that won't really be a good feeling and I probably won't want to go again. Then again, when I see the hot babes there, ah, that's guaranteed to get me excited. I'll be too pvssy to approach at first, I'm pretty sure about that, but man, seeing those club babes...so close...just need to reach out and grab me one...mmmmm...

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Yeah, I think I'm just gonna have to go and get those first few awkward times out of the way, until I get used to it all again. I wonder if I WILL actually get used to it again. I mean, if I'm just standing in a corner or leaning against the railings watching people on the dancefloor like some loser, that won't really be a good feeling and I probably won't want to go again. Then again, when I see the hot babes there, ah, that's guaranteed to get me excited. I'll be too pvssy to approach at first, I'm pretty sure about that, but man, seeing those club babes...so close...just need to reach out and grab me one...mmmmm...

Find a club that has good energy and more people packed on the dancefloor than standing around holding up the walls. Get out onto the dancefloor even if you don't have someone to dance with and head to the middle of the dancefloor, be a drop of water in the ocean if you get my drift. Just dance, don't waste your time looking around wondering who's looking at you, just dance.

Become friendly with the staff starting with the valet and the guys working the door. Get to know them, learn their names. Find a couple of bartenders that you like and get to know their names too (tip them well too). What you are doing is making the club your own. Your personal training ground. Become comfortable with your environment and you will feel more at ease when you do start approaching women.

 

[realsmoothie]

I think it really depends on what kind of clubs you're going to. I personally love it, but I go to alternative-type places and not the "meat-market" type places.

Can't tell the difference? There's two:

1) alternative places play electronic, indie, metal, that kind of thing. meathead places play top 40 and rap.

2) alternative places don't have the stereotypically hot women, but the ones that are there are more mature and "real". There's rarely any "Chachi" *ssholes. meathead places have bar stars with high blonde hair, short skirts and high heels, and are full of big morons in polo shirts with the collars turned up.

 

[lurker]

clubs suck.

this is what most of you afc's do at clubs. since 80% of the male population are afc's anyway.

they go there spend money on expensive shoe's and that shoe gets stepped on.

they stand holding thier drinks drooling at all the girls, while pretty boys stand there expecting a girl to come up to them.

afc's ask for a dance get blown off and still ask another girl for a dance, while the girl they asked for a dance has seen him blown off before. it goes on and on.

guys go home feeling sad and depressed when they dont pull. your wallet is empty because you were so bored you buy drinks to act like you are having fun.
clubs aint for me.

personally i get stared by girls and they dance by me many times iv been to clubs. but it's just a scene im not comfortable in.

overall i find clubs quite boring

 

[Cod3r]

^ ^ No success eh ?? Keep pluggin away, it'll come to you


-Cod3r

 

[Kalel21]

I think it really depends on what kind of clubs you're going to. I personally love it, but I go to alternative-type places and not the "meat-market" type places.

Can't tell the difference? There's two:

1) alternative places play electronic, indie, metal, that kind of thing. meathead places play top 40 and rap.

2) alternative places don't have the stereotypically hot women, but the ones that are there are more mature and "real". There's rarely any "Chachi" *ssholes. meathead places have bar stars with high blonde hair, short skirts and high heels, and are full of big morons in polo shirts with the collars turned up.

Whats wrong with rap music and top 40. metal people are some of the most wild people I have seen.:rockon:

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

clubs suck.

this is what most of you afc's do at clubs. since 80% of the male population are afc's anyway.

they go there spend money on expensive shoe's and that shoe gets stepped on.

they stand holding thier drinks drooling at all the girls, while pretty boys stand there expecting a girl to come up to them.

afc's ask for a dance get blown off and still ask another girl for a dance, while the girl they asked for a dance has seen him blown off before. it goes on and on.

guys go home feeling sad and depressed when they dont pull. your wallet is empty because you were so bored you buy drinks to act like you are having fun.
clubs aint for me.

personally i get stared by girls and they dance by me many times iv been to clubs. but it's just a scene im not comfortable in.

overall i find clubs quite boring

If this is what you do at clubs, it's not the club that's boring.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I think it really depends on what kind of clubs you're going to. I personally love it, but I go to alternative-type places and not the "meat-market" type places.

Can't tell the difference? There's two:

1) alternative places play electronic, indie, metal, that kind of thing. meathead places play top 40 and rap.

2) alternative places don't have the stereotypically hot women, but the ones that are there are more mature and "real". There's rarely any "Chachi" *ssholes. meathead places have bar stars with high blonde hair, short skirts and high heels, and are full of big morons in polo shirts with the collars turned up.

Given the venue should be taken under consideration a huge part is the type of person you are. To enjoy clubs it helps if you are outgoing and confident to put yourself out on the line at several times. Getting out on the dancefloor with our without woman, approaching a woman either if she is alone or with a group, not being sucked into holding up walls with AFCs and fending off AMOGs to a point where they allow you into their group. It takes a lot of skill and a certain type of character to do these things and to have a good time doing it.

 

[realsmoothie]

Whats wrong with rap music and top 40. metal people are some of the most wild people I have seen.:rockon:

Metal people are great, no doubt.

What's wrong with rap music and top 40? I'm not knocking the music itself, although most of that stuff DOES suck... but think of the kind of girls that music attracts. Yep, golddiggers and Paris Hilton wannabees. Who else listens to 50cent or Jessica Simpson? Nobody I'd want, that's for sure.

When I go out to a "club" I'm not there specifically for the purpose of picking up women. #1 because I suck at that... #2 because I like to drink and dance and meet people in general. Hot girls are a side-product.

Almost all of the connections I've made girl-wise at a club were through someone I knew that was there... either people I knew that were customers of mine or friends from going there regularly.

 

[Kalel21]

ok guys, more info please.

 

[tobby]

Just to get the racial crap out of the way, this is honestly for statistics then putting the race card in the equation.

I'm black, I'm probably average to good looking. It's weird though. I barely get a response from some of the women when I try and have conversations with them etc, but ocassionaly I have that 1 chick that'll grab my hand and grind dat s**t out of me.

I've had no fcloses from the clubs I've went to. Honestly, I still think it's all about the dancing. If you can't dance, you're pretty f**ked. When I couldn't dance, the chicks would run and then it got worse for me in the clubs. Now that I'm average at best I get a few more grinds and stuff, but I still haven't number closed/ fclosed from the club.

Like others have said, maybe it's my lack of game, (most girls seem there to dance and have fun!)

 

[Kalel21]

plastic surgeon it just is

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...Now again... I ask.. how is a club any different from the rest of the world.

In the rest of the world a guy can hide the fact that he can't dance.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Dance is a mere representation/display of sex capabilities...

In the real world you have to display these as well to get poon.. just not outright dancing, but I would say, posture, body language, muscle, are all analogous.

But if you can dance well (displaying confidence), you substantiate all of that plus some.

 

[PRMoon]

I was at rock bar las nigt and there was a battle of the bands type thing going on. I'm not really into the metal/ head banging scene but I was there with friends so I had to make the best of it. There were some hot girls there but I couldn't do a thing to pick any of them up. One of them I'm sure I would of had a good chance with but I was so uncomfortable that I couldn't make a move. I even saw a girl I knew from the past and wanted to hook up with but I couldn't go into my game. It was super loud (the bar was small and the system was huge) so I couldn't effectively talk to anyone, even my friends. Alot of the people there were into a scene that I'm not really framiler with even though I was dressed casual so I looked like I could fit in very easily. Still after being there for the first band I was ready to leave empty handed.

This is a true story and is pretty much what happens to alot of people here while in clubs depite the difference in venue. If you're just not comfortable in that element then it's likely you wont' suceed. Stop making excuses why you can't do it and try something else that will work for you.