Toxic masculinity

[Fruitbat]

1. Metoo affects any woman who claims to have been assaulted, especially by a person in power.

2. Why wouldn't it be as bad? Innocent men go to prison? You're channeling the feminine imperative because you are channeling THEIR VALUES.

3. Then you are not educated enough yet on the subject. You should research here.

4. It is an issue if men want to have their baby but it is her choice to kill it. She gets all of the power and he gets all of the responsibility. How is that not criminal? Because we live in a gynarcho tyranny.


5. Women are never tricked into raising babies that are not their own. And yes it happens a lot. Again you channel the feminine imperative because you channel their values. You really think this is a minor crime to men?!?!

6. False rape is not as bad as real rape? According to who? Oh right. The feminine imperative. You are channeling their values at the expense of men's.

7. Socialism is mostly agitated for by women. Whether is is alimony, child support, entitlement programs, etc,...

I also did not include Open Borders but I should have since it is a civilization destroyer and mainly women agitate for it.

Your entire post proves my point.

Yes rape and murder are bad, but to question that those heinous acts by women are all that bad? Seriously?

Cuckoldry alone is an immense crime against men and yet it is not even illegal at all? Nor are the consequences of it?

Not so. I didn’t at once

1. Metoo affects any woman who claims to have been assaulted, especially by a person in power.

2. Why wouldn't it be as bad? Innocent men go to prison? You're channeling the feminine imperative because you are channeling THEIR VALUES.

3. Then you are not educated enough yet on the subject. You should research here.

4. It is an issue if men want to have their baby but it is her choice to kill it. She gets all of the power and he gets all of the responsibility. How is that not criminal? Because we live in a gynarcho tyranny.


5. Women are never tricked into raising babies that are not their own. And yes it happens a lot. Again you channel the feminine imperative because you channel their values. You really think this is a minor crime to men?!?!

6. False rape is not as bad as real rape? According to who? Oh right. The feminine imperative. You are channeling their values at the expense of men's.

7. Socialism is mostly agitated for by women. Whether is is alimony, child support, entitlement programs, etc,...

I also did not include Open Borders but I should have since it is a civilization destroyer and mainly women agitate for it.

Your entire post proves my point.

Yes rape and murder are bad, but to question that those heinous acts by women are all that bad? Seriously?

Cuckoldry alone is an immense crime against men and yet it is not even illegal at all? Nor are the consequences of it?

Read your entire post back, then mine, and you will see I didn’t question the severity of the offence, I questioned the prevalence.

Do you think there are more false allegations of rape, than rape itself?

Did I say cuckoldery was a minor crime, or a rare one?

As for abortion, you think impregnating a woman with an unwanted child and forcing her to raise your baby is fair? What planet are you on? Or is protection on her?

Please read what I post instead of drawing straw men. I’m saying the total of these female behaviours are not even a drop in the ocean to the male crime issue.

As for socialism, open borders, a woman has a democratic right to vote and they are 50% of the population. You can’t do much about that, other than take their vote away.

You’re arguing a point I never made. I’m talking about prevalence, not severity.

For the record, a false allegation should carry the same sentence as rape, and it doesn’t. I agree that’s unfair. Cuckoldry should carry a similar sentence - 10 years minimum. We may agree on a lot of things, but in the global ledger of human atrocities and unpleasantness, you can’t make an argument to say women have a bigger charge sheet than men. It’s preposterous to claim that.

 

[Ranger]

Not so. I didn’t at once


Read your entire post back, then mine, and you will see I didn’t question the severity of the offence, I questioned the prevalence.

Do you think there are more false allegations of rape, than rape itself?

Did I say cuckoldery was a minor crime, or a rare one?

As for abortion, you think impregnating a woman with an unwanted child and forcing her to raise your baby is fair? What planet are you on? Or is protection on her?

Please read what I post instead of drawing straw men. I’m saying the total of these female behaviours are not even a drop in the ocean to the male crime issue.

As for socialism, open borders, a woman has a democratic right to vote and they are 50% of the population. You can’t do much about that, other than take their vote away.

You’re arguing a point I never made. I’m talking about prevalence, not severity.

For the record, a false allegation should carry the same sentence as rape, and it doesn’t. I agree that’s unfair. Cuckoldry should carry a similar sentence - 10 years minimum. We may agree on a lot of things, but in the global ledger of human atrocities and unpleasantness, you can’t make an argument to say women have a bigger charge sheet than men. It’s preposterous to claim that.

You are intellectually dishonest and I reject your assertion. I didn’t say anything about who or what gender is mostly or partially responsible.

It won’t matter. Everything will be put on the shoulders of men. I watched women drive men to drink because those men have been tricked by this society to be passive. So to be honest, your full of shyt.

 

[Fruitbat]

You are intellectually dishonest and I reject your assertion. I didn’t say anything about who or what gender is mostly or partially responsible.

It won’t matter. Everything will be put on the shoulders of men. I watched women drive men to drink because those men have been tricked by this society to be passive. So to be honest, your full of shyt.

You are intellectually dishonest and I reject your assertion. I didn’t say anything about who or what gender is mostly or partially responsible.

It won’t matter. Everything will be put on the shoulders of men. I watched women drive men to drink because those men have been tricked by this society to be passive. So to be honest, your full of shyt.

I wasn’t responding to you.

I was responding to Danger. If I HAD been responding to you, that would have indeed been intellectually dishonest.

It’s one letter away, Danger, Ranger...I can see how that happened.

 

[Fruitbat]

You are saying that male crimes outweigh female crimes are you not?

Are you not saying this based upon the current gynocratic legal system?

Are you not saying this with the presupposition that the quantity and severity of the male crimes outweigh the female?

My challenge to you is that you are saying these things based upon the feminine value system, and with dubious facts, if any at all.

Who is to say that rape is worse than cuckoldry?

Who is to say that murder is worse than socialism (financial slavery)?

Again, you channel the values of the feminine imperative because you have already aligned your value system to theirs.

There is not a single society on planet earth who equates socialism to murder. I am completely anti socialism but this conversation is falling into the realms of the bizarre. We live under a democratic system. This has delivered some socialist policies, and some free market ones. I’m not going to debate the merits of this, but if you’re seriously suggesting people who vote Democrat need 25-life, I don’t really know where to start.

Is cuckoldery on a par with rape. Possibly. I made that exact same point above, the exact point was made by me.

Imprisoning people for murder, violence, rape and fraud are not gynocentric ideas. Every society on earth worth it’s salt has criminalised these. It just so happens these are mostly committed by men, and that is mainly because or testosterone.

Yes, the majority of serous crimes are committed by men. Objectively, women are more law abiding. If you think that’s a gynocentric conspiracy, what are we to do? Legalise them? Lessen sentences due to testosterone? If that’s not the case, we start to hand out bigger punishments for female crimes. So if we do that, say, life for cuckoldery, do you think the prison populations would be equal?

I’ve been mugged, beaten up and robbed by men several times in my life. I’ve not yet known anyone cuckolded. I’ve known a few guys get shafted on divorce and can’t see their kids. That’s where the gynocentrism is. Family courts. To a lesser extent the workplace.

Even so, the prison system is full of killers, rapists, fraudsters, all manner of evil men. To argue that this is some feminine plot to criminalise men is beyond absurd.

 

[Fruitbat]

There are loads of educated people who understand socialism kills large numbers of people, Venezuela as the latest example and South Africa soon to follow.

The conversation is only bizarre to you because you are currently unable to detangle yourself from the framework of the feminine imperative.

As a result, you are suggesting I am saying imprisoning for rape or murder is gynocentric. I said no such thing.

Let's take a step back and focus on one example. Rape versus cuckoldry.

Why is one a crime and not the other?
Who benefits?
Why do we try to inflate the numbers for rape?
Why do we try to stop discovery of cuckoldry?
Why do we not track rates of cuckoldry?
If we inflate one and hide the other, what narrative does it help drive?

Your basis of men committing the most numerous and vile of crimes is based on the framework of the feminine imperative.

The above questions should help you realize that.

You have some good points and I broadly agree cuckoldery is not given the punishment nor the publicity deserved.

 

[Fruitbat]

Because it is not publicized or recognized as a crime, it helps to convey that women are not so wicked as men, correct?

What other systems or values are in place to help strengthen this perception?

I don’t think the law has deliberately tried to do so. The technology to prove this is perhaps 20 years old.

On a day to day basis, I am far more worried about men in society than women. Women have their own risks but they are primarily carers for children. The issue is, the bad eggs are extremely damaging as they have a cloak of invulnerability. I would suggest you’re coming at this from a black and white perspective.

I’m still absolutely convinced that femal crimes - false victimisation, cuckoldery, and the whole gambit of female unpleasantness does not equal the wrongs of men. I’d still rather be cucked than murdered.

I agree cuckoldery is not recognised by law and that’s awful, and that family law is grossly anti male. Do you have other examples of female crime (other than socialism which is a point of political view shared by a lot of men)?

 

[Fruitbat]

You don't find it coincidental that nearly all laws involving both sexes benefit the feminine?

You ask about female crime but let's clarify. This is not about identifying actual crime by sex. This is more about identifying the value system differences by sex and why it leans so hard to support the female.

To say it in a different way. Perhaps it is not that men commit more of the heinous crimes, but that we have chosen to apply criminal law around actions men are more likely to take.

Let's pick another.

Why should women be allowed to request back child support from a father who never knew he had a child?

How is it not a major crime to hide this child from the father to start with? Is it not heinous to keep a child from knowing and bonding with their genetic father?

That’s terrible. I am not sure if that is the case in UK.

 

[Roober]

The issue with identifying aggression or toxic behaviors is that male behaviors are much easier to observe. Men are more physically aggressive (murder, rape, etc.), therefore are certainly more likely to be put on display.

However, womens aggression can be equally as dangerous and the repercussions may be equally as damaging. For example, men will kill other men over a woman. Men will also get physically violent with a woman, whereas a woman will take away his children. Men essentially have to have perfect behavior to retain good relations with their children after a separation, and even that could always be in jeopardy of she suddenly decides to lie to the courts, which happens far more than people admit to).

However, these are things that are far less observable than physical a use inflicted by men. Now, if we start examining how the male suicide rate is 4 times that of women, and how boys are in special education at a rate of 3 to 1 to girls, we may get a bigger picture.

From my own experience, I witness it firsthand. Spend some time with kids of you want to see what really happens as adults. A little boy will hit when he gets upset, or lash out. Little girls use their words, their tone, and direct language to get results. They are both forms of aggression, but as a society, we are failing our young boys in identifying the behaviors properly.

"Boys will be boys" is the exact same thing as "girls are sassy" or have a mouth or whatever. However, you dont ever hear about sassy girls as a real problem. Why?

 

[Spaz]

However, you dont ever hear about sassy girls as a real problem. Why?

Because it's not an actual problem if boys were trained with IDGAF attitude when it comes to girls.

Girls only ever had power WHEN boys handed over their balls.

The only failure I see is that father's don't properly mentor their young sons or their schooling has too many female teacher's.

 

[Ranger]

There is not a single society on planet earth who equates socialism to murder. .

I do.

 

[Xenom0rph]

I posted the below comment in the other toxic masculinity thread in the Anything Else section but i feel I should reiterate here:

Toxic Masculinity is what gave rise to civilization. It was the military might of Rome that brought civilization to western Europe. It was England that conquered the world and gave us all a common language to communicate. WWII gave us atomic energy, rocket technology, and the first computer (Alan Turing's machine). The Cold War gave us jet technology, satellite technology, the internet, the space race, and the list goes on and on. And now Russia and China are developing hypersonic missile technology that can travel 20x the speed of sound, which means a new arms race will reignite and America will be forced to respond by developing new technology - such technology will eventually trickle down into normal civilian life and we will all benefit from it.

Gentlemen, toxic masculinity is a good thing, it gave us the modern world, embrace it proudly. Never let the feminists and PC culture pressure you into being a cuck.

 

[Masculinity]

This shyt is getting out of hand. I remember Rollo warning about it a few years ago but I didn't see the term being used anywhere then. However, nowaydays it's becoming mainstream... I was watching that show "Barry" and one bytch accused the main guy of having toxic masculinity. And now there's this Gilette ad where you can hear the term being used at the very beginning of the ad:

So anyway, I decided that if someone (probably a woman) ever decided to bring up the term 'toxic masculinity', I'm gonna respond by bringing up 'toxic femininity'. Hey, two can play that game, right?!

So they've defined toxic masculinity as negative traits which are typically displayed by men or boys:

• Physical bullying
• Mansplaining
• Catcalling
• not showing emotions, except anger
• etc.

So let's come up with our own list, for toxic femininity! I define it as negative traits which are typically displayed by women or girls!

Here's a start:

• Playing the victim card
• Passive-agressiveness: acting in a condescending way, saying insulting/hurtful things, but doing it in a covert manner.... Then when you call them out on it they say they didn't mean it that way (while they know damn well that it was their intention to insult and provoke!)

Give me more, guys. All the examples you can think of!

I called and write an email to Gilette, telling them I will not buy their products again.

When you mess with a corporation's money, people start listening.

 

[Slickster]

At approximately the 50:10 mark a chick asks about the best remedy for toxic masculinity and she gets a scathing response.

 

[Die Hard]

At approximately the 50:10 mark a chick asks about the best remedy for toxic masculinity and she gets a scathing response.

I like how he turns the question into telling a story about his cute granddaughter playing toddler games and entertains everyone with that story for quite a while. Then when the chick asks him how that has anything to do with toxic masculinity he's basically like: "Oh that doesn't really exist, you can't even define it."
He could've said that straight away haha.

 

[Ranger]

You are intellectually dishonest and I reject your assertion. I didn’t say anything about who or what gender is mostly or partially responsible.

It won’t matter. Everything will be put on the shoulders of men. I watched women drive men to drink because those men have been tricked by this society to be passive. So to be honest, your full of shyt.

Reject away. Feminine men always direct it towards the woman. Any man who is not fully responsible for anything and everything in his life is a nerd pvssy.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Reject away. Feminine men always direct it towards the woman. Any man who is not fully responsible for anything and everything in his life is a nerd pvssy.

If your linked up with a woman you cant be responsible for what she does and her effects on your life behind your back.

 

[Ranger]

If your linked up with a woman you cant be responsible for what she does and her effects on your life behind your back.

A man is responsible for the women he is associated with. With this mindset firmly in his head and mind, he learns and advances because he finds where he is weak.
To blame another is to cut yourself off from the fruits of observation and the learning curves.
She follows or you fix what’s in you if it applies. If not? Who cares. Who the fuk is she to you anyway?
What are you going to do? String her up and beat her with a cat of nine tails?
Make her drink hemlock? Take away her pasta?
How do you intend to make her cognizant of the supposed damage done to some guy while she’s still pining over a man that meant something to her and classes you as inferior being?

Maybe we should persecute them for not allowing tender men to breed with them. Punish them for the man finally showing all that weakness and forgetting who and what he was?

In what way does one human being force responsibility onto another when their biology goes completely against it. Should we try shock treatment until she finally yields to a pvssy?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

A man is responsible for the women he is associated with. With this mindset firmly in his head and mind, he learns and advances because he finds where he is weak.
To blame another is to cut yourself off from the fruits of observation and the learning curves.
She follows or you fix what’s in you if it applies. If not? Who cares. Who the fuk is she to you anyway?
What are you going to do? String her up and beat her with a cat of nine tails?
Make her drink hemlock? Take away her pasta?
How do you intend to make her cognizant of the supposed damage done to some guy while she’s still pining over a man that meant something to her and classes you as inferior being?

Maybe we should persecute them for not allowing tender men to breed with them. Punish them for the man finally showing all that weakness and forgetting who and what he was?

In what way does one human being force responsibility onto another when their biology goes completely against it. Should we try shock treatment until she finally yields to a pvssy?

You really feel that when a woman cheats on her man its because she thought he was inferior? That would be the same as saying men traded up when they cheated on their wives. You ever heard of the 80/20 rule? They have 80% of what they need abd cheat for that 20% they dont have. They get less overall.

 

[Ranger]

You really feel that when a woman cheats on her man its because she thought he was inferior? That would be the same as saying men traded up when they cheated on their wives. You ever heard of the 80/20 rule? They have 80% of what they need abd cheat for that 20% they dont have. They get less overall.

You don’t think it’s never happened to me? Since when to women prescribe to a man’s moral code?

For breeding? Yes. Biologically. Putting your sperm under competition with another man’s is somehow new?

“A woman respects and admires a gentleman but she sleeps with cods.”
Louis L'Amour

What are you going to do? Beat her until she accepts you’re the greatest most amazing man in her experience? Do you really think that you are that magnificent to her that just by default, just because you’re her boyfriend or husband?

Who do you think you are? God? You just say it must be this way and somehow the most successful breeding strategy in the history of this planet is wrong and you should be protected and coddled with the utmost care?

Ok. Let’s say you’re right. Outline your plan to bring her to submission and penance and thus make you feel that you are vindicated.

 

[Ranger]

The is no collection agency that goes out and chastises her until she relents to your position.

Since when do women give a fuk what you think about who they suk and fuk?

You talked to her. You kisses her. You fukked her. You fell in love with her. You made hundreds of decisions. Yet...she didn’t stay in love with you or you were part of a con because you feel so much and thus you think it’s all her fault because your precious little heart got broke.
Sorry, but she is going with what she feels. It’s not her that doesn’t get it. It’s the man who doesn’t get it.
This entire world is about fukking and survival resources when it comes to men and women.