Too many rules will make you robotic and anxious

lizardking82

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In a lot of cases, following strict rules is not the wisest thing to do, I think.

Things like "you answer back to her after the same amount of time that she took to answer back" and some other things is just wrong, in my opinion. You're talkin' to a chick and she took time 30 minutes to answer? If you can and feel like, answer back right away. If you see the communication is progressing, answer right away. Obeying to too many rules during communication is gonna make you way too programmed and in a communication between two people, things out of the "program" happen all the time so instead of being programmed a certain way, "program" yourself to be flexible and situational to communications.

Feel free to add your thoughts and oppositions, I am curious to discuss this and how guys here think of it.
 

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Rules are for guys with low value or a lack of experience.

Nothing teaches you better than experience. A lot of the rules work, but you have to know when and how to apply them. That's something you learn with experience. If you follow the rules too strictly, you stop showing up in the relationship because you are too busy thinking about the right thing to say and the right way to act. Which is actually kind of sad.

Here are the real rules:
1. Don't be desperate
2. Don't pressure women, let them warm up
3. Go after what you want when you want it
4. Take rejection with grace

That's really all you have to do in most cases. The rules for calls and texts are pretty loose. It depends on the individual girl. Obviously you don't want to over pursue a girl because you'll look desperate. But if you drag your feet too much or give up too fast she'll think you have low interest and feel neglected. Being mysterious helps. Don't share anything about yourself unless it makes you look high value or she asks you a direct question. Be casually judgmental. Don't act like you're sold on her right away.
 

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It's like with any skill, there are seemingly originally a bunch of rules about form. Choke up on the bat. Widen your stance. Swing through. Keep your eye on the ball. Eventually they all become second nature. Memorizing the rules helps us avoid bad form (a

Truth be told, last summer when I picked up my current girlfriend, I was a master of form, and the 3 girls (girls A, B and C for this example) who were talking to me at the time all noted that.

Girl A) "I have a crush on you."
Me: (to Girl B) "Were you born in July?"
Girl B) "How did you know?"
Me: "July 11?"
Girl B) "July 7!"
Me: "I'm psychic"
Girl B) "I can see that."
Girl B) "You're with the three alpha females"
Girl A) "Isn't he a great dresser?"
Girl C) "He is!"
Girl B) "He's one of the best dressed men I've ever seen in my life"
Me) "Don't lay it on too thick"
Girl B) "WHAT?"
Girl A) "He said don't lay it on too thick"
Me (thinking) "I love girl A"
Girl B) (feeding us all strawberry shortcake from a 5 star kitchen)
Girl C) "I have to go on stage!"
Me: "Ok, nice to meet you Girl C"
Me: "How about a three way kiss?"
Girl A) "Okay!!"
Girl B) "Ok...."
(Three way kiss)
Girl A) "I haven't been hypnotized in SO long!"
Girl B) "How did you do that? How did you you DO that?"
Me: "By the time a man can read a woman like a book, he needs bifocals..."
Me: "On that note, I need to quit while I'm still ahead" (leaving with 2 phone numbers)
Girl A) (texting) "It was so nice to see you!"
Girl B) (never said another word to either of us)
Girl C) (after I left) "Oh my God! You two have amazing chemistry! You should date him!"
Girl A) "We met yesterday and I can't stop thinking about him"

Girl A became my girlfriend within 15 days.
 

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The rules are temporary state that you will return to from time to time as you drift off target. You will suffer losses from straying too far from the rules and you will suffer losses from holding two rigidly to them, there is not a lot of room for error in this game.
The more HIGH VALUE a man is the more he can deviant from the rules. Let me tell you. High value trumps all things. The most important rule is to never chase and never be desperate.

Not desperate + MONEY = Abundance

It goes for women to. The hotter the girl, the more she can get away with. High value.
 

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Read Pook's "Fifteen Lesson", lesson nine.

Lesson Nine
Oh, how he wanted success with women! Why did others do so well and he so poorly? All jocks did was breathe and grunt to get chicks, and he did everything possible with no success. Alas, the pangs of desprised love! She was beautiful, wonderful, but only wanted him as a friend. In fact, every girl he held desirous thoughts about thought of him as only a friend or less.

It was time for change! Information was the key, he knew. He devoured books, articles, anything at all about the nature of women and creating romantic success.

Then he met a Spanish guy named Manual.

Manual said, “Behold, for here is your battleplan:

Psychological Maneuvers! You shall learn Neuro-linguistic programming! Now speak like this: “When you HAVE THAT CONNECTION with someone, that WARM, SAFE, and COMFORTABLE feeling RIGHT THERE, then what sometimes can happen is...” With Manual, women became a sum of psychological instruments to be played to his tune.

Guides! You shall learn and memorize the booklets of Societal Situations with Women.” Now he knew to do this when she did that, to do that when she did this, on and so on. Following Manual’s guides, he met a consistent success.

Ceaseless Information! You shall never have too much information,” commanded Manual. Thus, countless articles, countless posts streamed underneath the young man’s eyes. At the end of the day he was still in front of the computer.

“I love you, Manual!” the young man cried. Any problems, any situations, Manual would always have an answer. He would consult with Manual day and night, memorize Manual’s teachings, and worship Manual.

But, oh oh. Something was not going right. He had burned the mantra in his mind, “Thou shall never stay on the phone longer than twenty minutes,” only to break it... with a startling success! Also ingrained was the mantra, “Thou shall never compromise,” and lo and behold! When he broke this rule, he usually crashed and burned. But this time he achieved high flying success. Soon, the rules that had so framed his courtly actions disintegrated.

“Ahh,” he realized. “These guides and rules were a clutch for my lack of confidence. They do, however, work but are overall limited.” Then he smiled. “The rules and guides are the training wheels, the helper out of the nest.”

No more shall he be completely dictated by that Spanish guy named Manual! He could now fly and soar on his own. So...

Be not contained by formula.

“If the rules and guides were successful, why would he abandon them?”

“Because he realized he was successful not by the rules and guides, but by the approaching and fun mindset the rules and guides demanded.”

The young man, as ever, was confused. So Pook, with his seemingly endless magic abilities, summoned up two men.

“One of these,” said Pook, “is an actor.” And the three watched the actor become Hercules, Henry V, Hamlet, and every hero with a capital H. But in person, this actor transformed into a wimp.

“What happened to the hero!?” wondered the young man.

Then they saw the other man in action.

“He is heroic!” marveled the young man.

“Indeed,” said the Pook. “One is naturally confident, the other is scripted.” “But what is wrong with the scripted?”

“Nothing! But it is critical to realize the purpose of scripts and guides.”

“Which is what?”

Pook then took the young man to a place that overlooked two crowds of men. One group kept rushing back and forth to the man on the center pedestal, the Spanish guy named Manual. The other group consulted Manual only here and there, but traveled off in blazing new and fresh paths.

“What is the point?”

“It is simple,” Pook declared. “The point of Manual is not to grant you success. If you do, you will forever be under his dictatorship. The entire reason why Manual exists is to not grant you success but illustrate the means of success.”

“Meaning...?”

“Meaning that a few people became successful and formed Manual out from the clay of their knowledge. Manual is their automaton, their robot, to consistently answer newbies’ questions. The end goal in seduction, in success, is to make it natural. When it becomes natural, you have no need for Manual and can handle anything women throw at you.”

“Argh!” the young man pulled his hair. “I used to think women were nice and charming, that only bad boys were the problem! This knowledge is shattering every ideal I held about women.”

Pook nodded. “These are but a few of the Harsh Truths:

Women would rather share a successful man than be attached to a faithful loser.

Many women do not marry for love.

Most divorces end up with the guy cherishing the woman but the woman detesting the man.

Even for long-term marriage, the Don Juan is the way to go.

The ‘innocent, nice girl’ is often the horniest and likely uninnocent.

Many women consider your looks, your career, what you can offer them, before your integrity and character.

Women are more sexual than men can even dream.

Women are not attracted to genius, only strength and imagination

Woman’s sole mission is union, either for pleasure or the fruits of children. She cares nothing for your philosophy and all except to either use it to catch interest in a guy or to enthrone herself.

Women, in sex, desire to be treated as an object and relish it.

Women place value in societal links; how they are thought of. You become her ego.
 

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You're denying basic economic principles here. Value is fluid in any market.
No, value is the intrinsic be all and end all. We always want value, period. Value never goes bad. Specific things like corn may no longer hold value, but value itself by definition is always good.

Definition of value

  1. 1 : the monetary worth of something : market price

  2. 2 : a fair return or equivalent in goods, services, or money for something exchanged

  3. 3 : relative worth, utility, or importance a good value at the price the value of base stealing in baseball had nothing of value to say

  4. 4 : something (such as a principle or quality) intrinsically valuable or desirable sought material values instead of human values — W. H. Jones

  5. 5 : a numerical quantity that is assigned or is determined by calculation or measurement let x take on positive values a value for the age of the earth
 

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You are talking about relative value. The concept of value (see definition above) is intrinsic. It mean "worth a lot".

An item can be worth a lot one day and not the next.

The concept of worth a lot is always good. Jesus Christ.
 

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I agree. However, over time everything loses its luster. You know, women use high value men they view as a "catch" to increase their own self-image. One their self image is at or greater than her view of you, your value doesn't count for sh!t. And that goes for women too, a novel hot girl has a lot of power over you but after a year you start making sure other needs are met.
What's your point? Once value doesn't count anymore what does?

Either you have value or you have nothing. So value trumps ALL THINGS like I said before lol.
 

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A scripted frame, is no frame at all.

Call her, when you want, or don't.

I mainly look back and say...oh, that's how that worked....WOW, magic.
 

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In a lot of cases, following strict rules is not the wisest thing to do, I think.

Things like "you answer back to her after the same amount of time that she took to answer back" and some other things is just wrong, in my opinion. You're talkin' to a chick and she took time 30 minutes to answer? If you can and feel like, answer back right away. If you see the communication is progressing, answer right away.
Come on bro. So if I text a girl for date at 5:00. She responds back at 5:30 pm. I respond back at 5:31pm? She'll think she's found a sucker she can exploit.

You respond back the same amount of time she took to respond. Who is doing who here the favour?

Obeying to too many rules during communication is gonna make you way too programmed and in a communication between two people, things out of the "program" happen all the time so instead of being programmed a certain way, "program" yourself to be flexible and situational to communications.
In conversation, OK. But not in email or text or anything in writing. You have to be very very careful what you put in writing and how long it takes you to respond. You respond back right away to her text? She shows and tells the judge "look judge, he responded back in 35 seconds, look how bad he is in love with me. I need my money from him."

I've seen it happen personally. Conversation you can respond back fast. Written word, take your time.
 

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In a lot of cases, following strict rules is not the wisest thing to do, I think.

Things like "you answer back to her after the same amount of time that she took to answer back" and some other things is just wrong, in my opinion. You're talkin' to a chick and she took time 30 minutes to answer? If you can and feel like, answer back right away. If you see the communication is progressing, answer right away. Obeying to too many rules during communication is gonna make you way too programmed and in a communication between two people, things out of the "program" happen all the time so instead of being programmed a certain way, "program" yourself to be flexible and situational to communications.

Feel free to add your thoughts and oppositions, I am curious to discuss this and how guys here think of it.
The script is good for going back if you're unfamiliar. However, there comes a point where one must learn to trust their own instincts. Lately I've been trusting my own instincts and it adds a hell lot of unpredictability into what women will expect from me, giving them an emotional rollercoaster without even me trying.
 
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