Tony Montana was right

[cheyne]

Only true with older, gold-digger type women generally.

The girls that I want (the super hot teens) tend to be dating the jobless, handsome chav guys where I live at least lol. They are as superficial when it comes to looks as us guys are. by FAR the most important thing. They don't give a **** about money.

You don't need to become a billionnaire if you want to use money to get laid, though. At least here you can bang some 18 year old super hot Polish girl (hooker) for about £70 lol

Obviously there are exceptions, but who cares. None of us on this board are billionnaires and never well be!!

 

[AttackFormation]

Well you are looking at a snapshot in time and the US is much larger. Maybe include Greece Italy and Spain so that you have an accurate comparison, I hear they're doing very well.

Spain and Italy still have better basic policies. Universal healthcare and education, more decent urban planning (public transport, bike and pedestrian paths), better worker rights, significantly more family friendly policies. Spain and Italy have the 5th and 7th longest life expectancies, where America's has actually shrunk from what it was. They also have lower working hours than America. Sex ed, abortion, contraception and even evolution aren't under attack as they may be in some regions of America.

Greece is a shythole, I'll give you that. They've not only got the 4th highest amount of working hours in the OECD, but that in itself (high work hours) is a sign of a low productivity economy.

 

[AttackFormation]

I don't know what to say except you need to learn more about it or even visit and talk to people.

You mean visit America or those countries?

 

[AttackFormation]

Italy in particular. I have a lot of friends there, they all want out. They don't want to sit there with free healthcare and education and no jobs. That should go without saying but for some reason the socialist perspective is primarily for the invalid shut in or NEET perspective.

you can also visit the US where you could come to the equivalent of Sweden here (wealthy) where cab drivers make $100,000 a year or more.

I know Italy is a troubled country, I've been there and I don't want to go back (because I don't want to be harassed by police for being brown again, something I've never remotely experienced in Sweden). I just mean that the policies are still better, even if the country itself is dysfunctional. If those same policies were enacted in America, I would celebrate it.

I know there are places in America that are better off - the states that have or are on the track to progressive worker rights, healthcare and parental leave policies and stuff like that, and aren't so corrupt that they become dysfunctional like Greece or Italy (like the water contamination situation in Michigan). Even if I personally became wealthy in America I would not want to live in a society without those kinds of policies for my other citizens.

Look, if there was a place in America with a better climate than Sweden, more or less equivalent policies where I don't need to drive a car 24/7 to get anywhere in a haze of air pollution, and where the likelihood of me being profiled and harassed for being brown is about as low as here - I wouldn't mind moving there! Everything would be similar but with way more fat girls for me and a better climate. It'd be great. That's why I'm looking at Australia. I don't hate America in itself and I don't worship Sweden, and certainly not Europe.

 

[AttackFormation]

Mate, stop whinging and make a life for yourself.

How is it "whining" to want to make your country better and why wouldn't I be making a life for myself simultaneously? Come on dude.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Money is like dressing on an already tasty cake.

A different thing is a life style that money can allow you or better yet an inner game that money can allow you but still its mostly look to create attraction.

 

[Roober]

Money and looks both provide more opportunities. However, it is the woman's drive for compatibility which drives true desire.

Anyone can have transactional sex, especially if you have any of the LMS requirements. Will it guarantee long term success? Not likely.

Money and status is a fairly new concept considering most people in the world lived on a dollar a day till about 100 years ago. Go 200 years back, and money is even more irrelevant except for royalty. So evolutionary, it has been about mate compatibility.

By being a strong man, which can be demonstrated in many ways, you will have more opportunities for sex, and for companionship. Many fall in the trap of LMS, and show their true colors once the mask is lifted.

 

[SeymourCake]

Stop looking at fictional Jewish films produced by Hollywood for life advice.

 

[malz1]

In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.


Few caveats to start with: Yes, looks are undeniably important for a lot of young women (18-21), particularly those who haven't graduated and have very little responsibility...still mentally children. IME once the reality of a that corporate job and city life set in, women priotise money A LOT more.

Secondly, I actually believe the illusion of wealth skews things a bit. For example a guy who appears to be doing well in life and having fun (partying, regular holidays, well dressed, nice car, etc.) will at the very least get positive attention from others - that's just the reality of the insta generation we live in. Wouldn't recommend this lifestyle if you can't afford it of course, just making a point.

This is what confuses people. When they think about women being attracted to money they imagine some dull grey suited accountant with zero social skills, making £100k a year trying to woefully seduce women half his age. I define having the kind of money that actually attracts women as FU money - freedom and most importantly FUN.

I've been a tad frustrated with the hotness quality of some of the chicks I've been attracting of late. I make pretty good money for my age and in a position to be able to travel frequently (atleast once a month) and party in some fairly pricey parts of my city. I'm not a huge fan of social media but one of my boys advised that I should start posting my activity so I did and it was like a night and day. The same girls who were turning me down for dates a few months ago are now hitting up my IG stories. I have dates lined up all next week.

The guys barking on about social circle/ social skills being the dominant means of consistently attracting women are just as dogmatic as the "Black Pill", "Looks are EVERYTHING" crowd. Both are wrong.

The girls who "prioritise dating men in their social circle" are the same ones who will drop everything to go home with footballers and trust fund babies living the good life on IG. Or you really think she's turning down a date with a guy making £100k a week because she had her eye on Dave from her yoga class? Come on. Social dominance only gets you so far and is entirely contextual to that specific environment.

But similiarly there are AVERAGE to below average looking men getting laid consistently because they are genuinely cool guys. If you don't believe this you need to get out into the real world or make better friends.

Social skills (Game is just one branch of wider social skills IMO) are more of an amplifier. Like, if you're really funny, confident and socially astute you might go from a 6 to an 8 if you're well known in that particular environment, but if an obvious 9 enters the picture Dave is SOL.

Having said that I do think Social Skills > Looks

"Black pillers" seem to forget that most good looking men generally have great social skills and game due to positive reinforcement and having dealt with women early on. They have a 10 year headstart on most posters on forums like this. Good-looking social retards rarely get laid.

This is why for me it's:

Money
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Status
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Looks

I love this post.

 

[AttackFormation]

When you were in high school, money never crossed your mind to get chicks. It is only in the adult world that the dating game seem to change. But this is only true for certain demographics.

The key is demographics. If you are in the demographic where women judge you on money and status, it is because you are a grown adult and women want to see you being independent and self-reliant. It is a sign you love yourself. It is a sign of strength.

This is what most guys don't get. Women just don't look at the value. They look at what that value represents. A guy can have money and status and be self loathing and repel all the women. Maybe he inherited his money. Maybe he's a spoiled manchild. At the same time, a guy who has a high degree of self love might not be the richest or popular in society but he still still be able to pull a good amount of women.

Guys who feel the need to generalize attraction and come up with universal catch phrases like LMS are lacking strength themselves. They are unsure so they need confirmation from other men. A strong man knows he only needs himself.

When you interact with women, that lack of inner strength WILL come out. Women have a radar for it. Even if it is something stupid like not being proud of your birth name and giving women your initials, they will ask you what your real name is and then watch your emotional reaction. If they sense any incongruency, their bodies will be on high alert. You would have tripped up their radar for incongruency.

Any type of incongruency like guilt, shame, neediness, low self esteem, insecurity, overcompensating behavior, inferiority complex, etc, will be broadcasted for all the women to see. There is nothing you can do to hide it.

No amount of outer game can mask your lack of inner game.

Looks, money, and status gets you into the door. But once you're in, the examination never ends. You are required to be strong always. Until you die.

Every guy is required to be 100% congruent before he should even think about women.

You can have high LMS and still get rejected for incongurency and at the same time you could be on your way to achieving high LMS and still pull a good amount of women because you are 100% congruent.

What is congruency anyway? It is your level of belief in yourself.

What does this all mean? It means you can print your own value according to your level of belief. You can set the frame and have women believe in it. But if you don’t believe in yourself, no woman will either, no matter how high your perceived value is.

Who cares what the fvck they want or do.... when are we gonna talk about what we want? especially aside from women. I'm wearied as hell of obsessing over them. Fvck it.

 

[RickTheToad]

MONEY. THIS is the truth that has always been, and likely will be for decades to come.

Men are more ambitious, men make more money, men have more resources.

Women can, and DO trade sex for money.

All the catterwalling and denying in the world does not change this.

Not sure dude. This dude looks like he's going to have a heart attack any minute. Doubtful she's his wive, so no $$$ or goodie bags if he did.

 

[Roober]

What I brought up happens 99% of the time when you interact with chicks. You spend all your time thinking when I meet that chick that is on my wavelength everything will be easy. And it is. And then something weird happens. You don’t believe you deserve it. Some weird inferiority complex comes out of nowhere. You become too needy or supplicating. Perhaps you end up negging her friends by accident.

Its going to happen. You’re going to act incongruent in some way and then get ghosted and have no idea what happened. This is the main reason why guys get ghosted. Hell, I see the incongruency even on this forum.

The validation seeking behavior, inferiority complexes, and overcompensation is plastered all over this forum. Imagine these guys were in the presence of a 9. Lol. It would be comical.

For the PUAs they go into supplication mode. And for the manosohere guys, they go into cherish mode. They get needy because they haven’t been around chicks in awhile.

Hell last year it happened to me 5 times in a row. I ran into girls in my wavelength and blew it 5 times in a row. One time over going into cherish when she just wanted to have sex. Another time I accidentally negged a 9’s hot friends because I was surrounded by hot chicks validating me and I experienced 5% inferiority complex. Another time I fvcked up while having sex out of all things. Instead of enjoying the moment, I went into “performance mode” and the sex was awkward and got ghosted afterwards.

And I am supposed to have one of the tightest frames on this board. But even I have a little bit of incongruency. Especially when I’m surrounded by 8s and 9s. My reality doesn’t expect that stuff to happen and suddenly I find myself swimming in infinite validation. So my brain struggles to keep up and I accidentally act incongruent.

Your question is short sighted because it’s not about what women want.

They don’t know what they want. Their bodies are directly connected to your level of inner game.

And if you want to ask about what YOU want, my question to you is, do you think you deserve it? Because your level of entitlement or lack is going to come out. And it will be as clear as day.

Let me ask you a question, when was the last time you interacted with an attractive woman on your wavelength? And how did it go?

You’re starting to sound like a virgin again because every single woman I’ve interacted with since I was 14 years old, either two things happened: my frame was able to contain them, or I got ghosted because of incongruency. My belief about myself would betray me somehow in a subtle level and it would come out. It was my number 1 sticking point and the main sticking point of this entire forum. Every single thread you see the guy acting from some form of inner congruency like neediness or overcompensation.

This is my experience with hundreds of females. For you to not see the importance of it makes me suspicious of your level of experience.

The almighty has returned and this time his name is...

Stormrider

Everyone please bow!

 

[AttackFormation]

What I brought up happens 99% of the time when you interact with chicks. You spend all your time thinking when I meet that chick that is on my wavelength everything will be easy. And it is. And then something weird happens. You don’t believe you deserve it. Some weird inferiority complex comes out of nowhere. You become too needy or supplicating. Perhaps you end up negging her friends by accident.

Its going to happen. You’re going to act incongruent in some way and then get ghosted and have no idea what happened. This is the main reason why guys get ghosted. Hell, I see the incongruency even on this forum.

The validation seeking behavior, inferiority complexes, and overcompensation is plastered all over this forum. Imagine these guys were in the presence of a 9. Lol. It would be comical.

For the PUAs they go into supplication mode. And for the manosohere guys, they go into cherish mode. They get needy because they haven’t been around chicks in awhile.

Hell last year it happened to me 5 times in a row. I ran into girls in my wavelength and blew it 5 times in a row. One time over going into cherish when she just wanted to have sex. Another time I accidentally negged a 9’s hot friends because I was surrounded by hot chicks validating me and I experienced 5% inferiority complex. Another time I fvcked up while having sex out of all things. Instead of enjoying the moment, I went into “performance mode” and the sex was awkward and got ghosted afterwards.

And I am supposed to have one of the tightest frames on this board. But even I have a little bit of incongruency. Especially when I’m surrounded by 8s and 9s. My reality doesn’t expect that stuff to happen and suddenly I find myself swimming in infinite validation. So my brain struggles to keep up and I accidentally act incongruent.

Your question is short sighted because it’s not about what women want.

They don’t know what they want. Their bodies are directly connected to your level of inner game.

And if you want to ask about what YOU want, my question to you is, do you think you deserve it? Because your level of entitlement or lack is going to come out. And it will be as clear as day.

Let me ask you a question, when was the last time you interacted with an attractive woman on your wavelength? And how did it go?

You’re starting to sound like a virgin again because every single woman I’ve interacted with since I was 14 years old, either two things happened: my frame was able to contain them, or I got ghosted because of incongruency. My belief about myself would betray me somehow in a subtle level and it would come out. It was my number 1 sticking point and the main sticking point of this entire forum. Every single thread you see the guy acting from some form of inner incongruency like neediness or overcompensation.

This is my experience with hundreds of females. For you to not see the importance of it makes me suspicious of your level of experience.

I was writing out my spontaneous thought in the moment, that's all that was. I really can't be bothered to prove myself to you in lengthy posts.

 

[AttackFormation]

Well if you bring up a point you have to address it. You have to finish what you started. That’s what men do. They don’t throw drive by comments and then run away when they are called out.

If one guy has experience with hundreds of chicks and describes a problem that exists in 99.99% of interactions, and some guy comes out of nowhere and acts as If he has no idea what the guy is talking about, then it is reasonable to assume he’s a virgin.

You are taking it as more of a reflection on what you posted than I meant it as, which is understandable as I quoted you. But I did not mean to comment on whether what you were saying is true or false in itself. I think I would have meant to say that I just don't care to think about whether women see this or that detail as incongruent, or bla bla bla. A lengthy post about incongruency out of womens' viewpoint was coming across to me as just the kind of overcompensation you otherwise harp on about.

All in all it was probably most telling of how I need a break lol.

 

[AttackFormation]

Jesus.... I'm not going to "go to war" with you typing short novels to prove myself to you or deflect your projections about me, I don't care. You can call me a virgin, a manosphere axiom, a supplicator, a whatever you want lol. You are happy to get an excuse to wax on and it doesn't bother me.

 

[AttackFormation]

Multiple lengthy posts, edited for hours afterwards on end. On a site that he's been banned from many times.

Contrived overcompensation is an understatement.

Last time I spoke to him, he fell to pieces and pretended he couldn't speak English.

He's a little sh1thead. Ignore him.

Yea I think it's time for the ignore list to get a new member.

I had earlier decided I didn't care much whether stormrider's experiences were true or he makes them up, because I thought in either case the mindset he promoted was useful for guys to get out of overcompensating and overcomplicating everything as they may earlier have been led to do.

But the way he throws out projections to try to see what will stick at provoking your selfesteem, and makes demeaning statements to try to "DHV" (lol, that's what it looks like to me), just makes his narcissistic disorder too directly transparent and odious.

 

[Suave88]

In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.


Few caveats to start with: Yes, looks are undeniably important for a lot of young women (18-21), particularly those who haven't graduated and have very little responsibility...still mentally children. IME once the reality of a that corporate job and city life set in, women priotise money A LOT more.

Secondly, I actually believe the illusion of wealth skews things a bit. For example a guy who appears to be doing well in life and having fun (partying, regular holidays, well dressed, nice car, etc.) will at the very least get positive attention from others - that's just the reality of the insta generation we live in. Wouldn't recommend this lifestyle if you can't afford it of course, just making a point.

This is what confuses people. When they think about women being attracted to money they imagine some dull grey suited accountant with zero social skills, making £100k a year trying to woefully seduce women half his age. I define having the kind of money that actually attracts women as FU money - freedom and most importantly FUN.

I've been a tad frustrated with the hotness quality of some of the chicks I've been attracting of late. I make pretty good money for my age and in a position to be able to travel frequently (atleast once a month) and party in some fairly pricey parts of my city. I'm not a huge fan of social media but one of my boys advised that I should start posting my activity so I did and it was like a night and day. The same girls who were turning me down for dates a few months ago are now hitting up my IG stories. I have dates lined up all next week.

The guys barking on about social circle/ social skills being the dominant means of consistently attracting women are just as dogmatic as the "Black Pill", "Looks are EVERYTHING" crowd. Both are wrong.

The girls who "prioritise dating men in their social circle" are the same ones who will drop everything to go home with footballers and trust fund babies living the good life on IG. Or you really think she's turning down a date with a guy making £100k a week because she had her eye on Dave from her yoga class? Come on. Social dominance only gets you so far and is entirely contextual to that specific environment.

But similiarly there are AVERAGE to below average looking men getting laid consistently because they are genuinely cool guys. If you don't believe this you need to get out into the real world or make better friends.

Social skills (Game is just one branch of wider social skills IMO) are more of an amplifier. Like, if you're really funny, confident and socially astute you might go from a 6 to an 8 if you're well known in that particular environment, but if an obvious 9 enters the picture Dave is SOL.

Having said that I do think Social Skills > Looks

"Black pillers" seem to forget that most good looking men generally have great social skills and game due to positive reinforcement and having dealt with women early on. They have a 10 year headstart on most posters on forums like this. Good-looking social retards rarely get laid.

This is why for me it's:

Money
.
.
Status
.
.
.
.
.
.
Looks

How do you show money and status to a woman in a bar, where she doesn't know you. Do you drive your Ferrari into the bar or you visit expensive places where men pays and women get it for free?
First is looks.
Tony was a criminal.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Hmm... a kindergarten fight on SoSuave. How unusual.
Thread closed because we can’t play nice.