Tom Brady's situation is concrete proof that dating for men is always a L

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

DOn't be fooled. She might be a mid 40s woman, but still looks better than most women younger than her. Everyone on here would simp to death and trip on each others d*cks to smash her. Hell, if she were to really divorce him and I ran into her somewhere I'd run game on her too.

Remember, everyone on this site has a quickly revolving rotation of hot 18 year old virgins that fvck on the first date.

 

[SW15]

I have also talked about this in my college experience thread but dudes seriously overrate life for a football player. I played ball in high school (which in the Atlanta area is really competitive) and most of your audience are go to church every Sunday and no sex before marriage types. Even at a top tier football school, I noticed that the football players were not really slaying in the way others say they were. Sure they had their groupies and Jersey Chasers but that was it.

Now that's not to say that American football stars do not slay, compared to the average guy they definitely can. However, most come from such backwards religious areas (the south) that they are naive and you end up with situations like Deshaun Watson.

College football players who have strong NFL potential and go to a major school like Alabama, Auburn, Texas, etc. can slay well. NFL guys can slay well too. NBA/NCAA basketball guys at top schools are better at slaying because their faces are visible on TV and not obscured by a helmet.

I agree that a lot of non-athlete men overrate being an athlete man.

One of my friends is a 6'4", White ex-NCAA athlete in a country club sport. He slayed more post college with White, bougie women (think the KokoBeaute type but younger) than while he was an NCAA athlete. His former NCAA athlete status did help him get laid a lot post college. He ran up a triple digit notch count with bougie White women in the bars before settling down and putting a ring on some mentally questionable woman. He did become more beta. I can't discern whether he was a beta all along imitating a hardcore seducer or fell into a bad beta pattern. I think it was the first one and he always believed in the cultural illusion of the traditional monogamous marriage.

There is such a pressure in American Football culture to conform to that model citizen image. However, that is the culture of American football and I am sure that even @SW15 can kind of speak to it given that he lives in Texas (mecca of football!). Most people that are really into the sport are your settled down and married at 30 with a kid and a house in the suburbs type of folks. There is a huge connection between Church and Football which means that sleeping around is heavily frowned upon. Now add the SJW infestation of the sport.

The NFL has gone totally SJW.

I am living in Texas and I do not care at all about football. It's not a big deal. In the larger cities, there are enough people out there who don't care either.

Personally, I am so glad that I stopped caring about the sport and the culture that comes with it. I may watch a major game but that is about it. The people you have to talk to are so irritating and morally self-righteous Bible Thumping normies that I do not even bother to watch most games at bars. If there is an important game on or if it is playoffs, I'll watch it. Other than that, it is a complete waste of time because 80% of the game is commercials.

Looking back at it, football fans were some of the saddest people I had ever been around whether it was pro or college. Most of them fat, a lot of them insane, and many of them living mediocre lives. Majority of them get married by 25 and meet their wives in high school, college, or church. Needless to say that they will shame the game community and guys like us doing well with women.

I haven't watched an NFL regular season game in at least 10 years. I was watching the Super Bowl as my only football game for years but I didn't even watch the Super Bowl last season and I do not plan to watch it this year.

Super Bowl parties have even become a romantic relationship litmus test in a lot of social circles. I've noticed, at least with the people I know, that it was super common to bring girlfriends and later wives to Super Bowl parties. For the unattached/marginally attached guys, this is an unbearable feeling. I stopped going to Super Bowl parties in years when I didn't have a woman to bring to one.

A lot of sports fans are big time beta males as you described. Sports watching is voyeuristic, like watching porn and masturbating. Go out and play sports, don't watch them. I care far more about my own playing of sports than spending hours watching a game.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

@SW15 I guess that is debatable and I have long been in trouble on this site for saying it but I do think that a top tier pickup guy can outslay and do better than most NFL dudes. The reason is, most NFL and football guys (and athletes in general) are too busy playing sports to have the time to go out regularly. Even when I was in college, it seemed like a lot of athletes were playing a niche game if anything. Sure they got the hottest sorority girl but volume wise, they were under too much of a microscope or not going out as much as one would think to slay that much. Once again, I went to a football powerhouse here so this was my observation.

It seemed like a wealthy frat guy was outslaying an athlete. If not them, then someone working in nightlife and going out a ton.

IMO, the sports that produce the biggest slayers are by far:

1. World football/soccer (Ronaldo outslays almost any athlete when in his prime)
2. MMA

 

[SW15]

I do think that a top tier pickup guy can outslay and do better than most NFL dudes.

It's very difficult to be a top tier pickup guy.

Which of the following 4 groups of men sees the most success in terms of sex frequency?

1. Median pro athlete in a major team sport (NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL)
2. Median guy with a steady girlfriend
3. Median guy with a wife
3. Median guy with neither a girlfriend nor wife

I'm going with Group 1.

 

[eli77]

Oh boy, where do I even start with this. For one, Tom Brady is by far one of my favorite athletes on the planet and what he has done in the NFL will never be rivaled by anyone else that comes along. Tom is by far the GOAT football player and even his situation with his wife is not that bad because apparently, she makes more money than he does!

However, as much as I love the work he has done on the field, I do think that Brady always gave off that simpish nice guy image. People don't realize it but he was a late bloomer. Even though he played football at Michigan, he was taken in the 6th round of the NFL draft and didn't grow into his looks until after winning a couple of Superbowls. Of course a guy like that happily wives up a supermodel. Even on the field and overall, he gave off too much of a clean guy sort of image. I think it had to do with the classy organization that the Patriots tried to make themselves out to be (despite Spy Gate and Deflate Gate lol).

I'll contrast him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo who was also an ugly duckling before peaking at United but had his fair share of fun before getting married with a kid. The other one is obviously one of the game GOATs himself, Leonardo DiCaprio.

I get into it all the time with dudes on here who say "just work on yourself and it will come, no need to game". That is BS and some celebs are a testament to that. Just because you have money and status does not mean you will slay that much.

It is why, despite how much guys hate him, what Dan Bilzerian has done has been amazing.

And even dan eventually got married let's see how that plays out.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

It's very difficult to be a top tier pickup guy.

Which of the following 4 groups of men sees the most success in terms of sex frequency?

1. Median pro athlete in a major team sport (NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL)
2. Median guy with a steady girlfriend
3. Median guy with a wife
3. Median guy with neither a girlfriend nor wife

I'm going with Group 1.

Of course by far.

I am talking more about what I have actually seen happen. The guy who goes out every weekend and puts in the work wins by numbers game while it does seem like the former athletes I knew (some who I keep in touch with through social media) are struggling big time now with game.

 

[SW15]

Of course by far.

I am talking more about what I have actually seen happen. The guy who goes out every weekend and puts in the work wins by numbers game while it does seem like the former athletes I knew (some who I keep in touch with through social media) are struggling big time now with game.

I care most about the median guy.

The guy who is a big time approacher of strangers (either at non-bar venues or bars) might be able to do better on sex frequency than a former college athlete or a former pro athlete who is now broke. It's difficult though to be a solid pickup guy. Approaching strangers is a royal pain, especially in non-bar venues.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I care most about the median guy.

The guy who is a big time approacher of strangers (either at non-bar venues or bars) might be able to do better on sex frequency than a former college athlete or a former pro athlete who is now broke. It's difficult though to be a solid pickup guy. Approaching strangers is a royal pain, especially in non-bar venues.

IMO it really depends. In a small city or very small town where social circles are the only thing, former athlete wins. However, in a big city, I do think that guys who have really gotten good at cold approach outpull and outslay a lot of athletes. Sure, maybe not a Ronaldo, but they do it to most of them. I have been around the sports scene a lot and the slaying that athletes do is extremely overhyped.

 

[MatureDJ]

The NFL has gone totally SJW.

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[SW15]

I have been around the sports scene a lot and the slaying that athletes do is extremely overhyped.

A lot of guys see Tom Brady with Gisele Bundchen or AJ McCarron with Katherine Webb and think athletes have it made. AJ McCarron was a great college QB at Alabama but did nothing in the NFL. While at Alabama, McCarron started dating Miss Alabama and they now have multiple kids together. You're not getting Miss Alabama if you're not an athlete or a rich Southern guy.

 

[MatureDJ]

Super Bowl parties have even become a romantic relationship litmus test in a lot of social circles. I've noticed, at least with the people I know, that it was super common to bring girlfriends and later wives to Super Bowl parties. For the unattached/marginally attached guys, this is an unbearable feeling. I stopped going to Super Bowl parties in years when I didn't have a woman to bring to one.

A lot of sports fans are big time beta males as you described. Sports watching is voyeuristic, like watching porn and masturbating. Go out and play sports, don't watch them. I care far more about my own playing of sports than spending hours watching a game.

I think folks that are rootless tend to be much less interested in watching sports - why should they? They have no allegiance to anything so there is no participant to root for.

Of course, it must seem odd for so much emotion to be experienced with watching a sport - but then again, why would competing in a sport, with the stakes being so utterly unconsequential, be so emotional? The reason that so much emotion is experienced is because sports, especially team, territory capture & defense sports like soccer, American football, etc. are an experientual activity that humans perceive as nothing less than tribal war, where the stakes are as consequential as can be - the life of the vanquished men, the taking of their women, the enslavement of their children. A fan's team scoring a goal or touchdown is regarded by the deeper parts of consciousness as part of a battle being won, a game/match being a whole battle, and a championship being a great war that has been won. International competitions, with the prominence of the participants' countries, are as just as nations - i.e., tribalism at the next higher level of abstraction.

I don't agree on the "voyeuristic" aspect, but rather the "I could imagine myself there" aspect, which obviously is what porn is about. And while individual competitive sports like boxing could be done, team sports are trickier nut to crack, especially American football with the level of preparation that must be done to have it played at a top level - i.e., as opposed to a couple of blokes in a random pickup game that no depth of strategy. (Most men have a job to pull down the bacon, and either a wife that needs to be gamed, or a lot of time devoted to PUA or OLD, so they might only get a few hours a week in a few months per year to devote to this level of spectator sports - this is in addition to doing his own athletic activity just to stay in shape.) Watching a sporting event at home is just one way someone can decompress from the necessary activities he does in life, just like watching a movie - actually doing the event is a compressing activity.

And taking this line of thought further, why even listen to music? A person should always be playing the music, right? Why should Sir Paul McCartney take in a musical since he could just play his bass instead? An author should always be writing and never read someone else's work. Hey Steven Spielberg, don't enjoy some other director's movie - continue busting your butt to make more movies.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The bottom line is Giselle is tired of being a single parent while having a husband and being married. Not sure why this is so hard to understand or how it would be incredibly frustrating after so many years of running the household and raising the kids with virtually no help to finally have your husband agree to do it only to lie to you and go back to the previous way after a few months with no discussion of it with her.

Don't know any guy who would think this would be OK if the shoe was on the other foot.

At some point, if you are going to be a single parent then why be married, especially when your husband shows such a lack of care about improving the situation? It's a complete lack of respect for her as a wife.

Cannot believe how far from reality most posters are going with this and bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with anything regarding the issues.

 

[MatureDJ]

@SW15 I guess that is debatable and I have long been in trouble on this site for saying it but I do think that a top tier pickup guy can outslay and do better than most NFL dudes. The reason is, most NFL and football guys (and athletes in general) are too busy playing sports to have the time to go out regularly. Even when I was in college, it seemed like a lot of athletes were playing a niche game if anything. Sure they got the hottest sorority girl but volume wise, they were under too much of a microscope or not going out as much as one would think to slay that much. Once again, I went to a football powerhouse here so this was my observation.

It seemed like a wealthy frat guy was outslaying an athlete. If not them, then someone working in nightlife and going out a ton.

IMO, the sports that produce the biggest slayers are by far:

1. World football/soccer (Ronaldo outslays almost any athlete when in his prime)
2. MMA

A "top tier" guy is going to be tall & athletic himself, and one of the reasons he is "top tier" is that he also FaceMogs his competition. A FaceMogging elite athlete will outslay that non-elite "top tier" guy on a per-effort basis; the only thing the "top tier" guy has is lots of time to hit the nightspots and do PUA, whereas an elite athlete has to spend a lot of time working at being that elite athlete. Most NFL dudes are not FaceMoggers; they sit on the Bell Curve of Face IQ like anyone else (although being very fit obviously helps).

MMA athletes have the bad-boy thing going on, and in any case, their activity is almost pure raw violence. And an ugly man can pull off being an pummeling-sport athlete because he's supposed to always be banged up; only a guy like Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt) can pull off being banged up and still FaceMog.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Virtually no help? Do you think a rich supermodel like her would be running the house? Do you think she's doing laundry, cooking food, washing dishes, cleaning the floors and even attending the kids? Foolish you so cute

Foolish you for not realizing one of the biggest wants for someone who is rich, famous and cannot go anywhere without being mobbed by fans or cameras is to live like a normal person.

 

[eli77]

@SW15 I guess that is debatable and I have long been in trouble on this site for saying it but I do think that a top tier pickup guy can outslay and do better than most NFL dudes. The reason is, most NFL and football guys (and athletes in general) are too busy playing sports to have the time to go out regularly. Even when I was in college, it seemed like a lot of athletes were playing a niche game if anything. Sure they got the hottest sorority girl but volume wise, they were under too much of a microscope or not going out as much as one would think to slay that much. Once again, I went to a football powerhouse here so this was my observation.

It seemed like a wealthy frat guy was outslaying an athlete. If not them, then someone working in nightlife and going out a ton.

IMO, the sports that produce the biggest slayers are by far:

1. World football/soccer (Ronaldo outslays almost any athlete when in his prime)
2. MMA

I will say most NFL players will beat most guys on here at pickup bar none now that's doesn't mean that they'll get raped in a divorce proceeding like Michael Jordan but you have to look at it at a case by case basis.

 

[Schwing]

It's very difficult to be a top tier pickup guy.

Which of the following 4 groups of men sees the most success in terms of sex frequency?

1. Median pro athlete in a major team sport (NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL)
2. Median guy with a steady girlfriend
3. Median guy with a wife
3. Median guy with neither a girlfriend nor wife

I'm going with Group 1.

MLB might be the hardest due to the little off time you have. Most games are at night and usually playing 6 days a week.

NHL players of all ages seem to have the hottest wives regardless of height or looks. Even though they're the least popular sport and lowest paid sport. Many players are Canadian or northern European which might factor into it since Northern Europe and Canada has some really hot white women.

 

[SW15]

MLB might be the hardest due to the little off time you have. Most games are at night and usually playing 6 days a week.

NBA and NHL guys have a lot of night games too.

Some good pickup artists can have a sex life better than that of a pro athlete, without having to show up for games. Although these pickup artists will be doing the bar thing late into the night or at bars on app arranged dates quite late too.

 

[Schwing]

NBA and NHL guys have a lot of night games too.

Some good pickup artists can have a sex life better than that of a pro athlete, without having to show up for games. Although these pickup artists will be doing the bar thing late into the night or at bars on app arranged dates quite late too.

yes but not every night, and weekends have afternoon games at times.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I’d take my chances being an nfl/nba player gaming chicks than an average pua guy lol. They don’t really need to go out approaching girls because girls find them.

 

[SW15]

I’d take my chances being an nfl/nba player gaming chicks than an average pua guy lol. They don’t really need to go out approaching girls because girls find them.

You were not among the best football players on campus at your SEC school. I'm not sure what your attraction-seduction skill level was then either.