To game, or not to game.

[Wilko]

So a couple of incidents over the last two months have caused me to question how good my schtick actually is. Online has been fairly barren lately so I've been more active out in the field than I usually would be. I'm situational and spontaneous when I open, and never get brutally shut down, but I'm rarely given much to work with in return. It hasn't been a big problem, I just assume a low level of interest and eject from the situation - still blowing the cobwebs out I figured.

Textbook case; I'm about to leave a bar with a buddy, a 5 and a 6 ask if they can have our bar stools, we oblige them, they apologise, and I tell them "it's fine, we're local glitterati and we've decided this place isn't cool enough for us anymore, anyway" (hint - it is a cool place, and me and my bud do not belong in the gossip pages). Fvcking zip, zilch, nada, no response. I nearly facepalmed. I'm done, but my buddy just plows on regardless, it was horrific. Most of the recent interactions I've had in bars haven't been any better.

Later, we spark up a conversation with some nice hot, young hipster chicks in another ****tail lounge. And it's on, they eat up the same schtick that was getting me nowhere with the other girls, and they're giving me plenty of detailed responses to run with. I'm my own rock star for about an hour, and even while this is happening, I'm thinking, why hasn't this been working till now?

Anyway, that blew out on account of my buddy losing his cool when he found out "his" girl was a lesbian. As "luck" would have it, we ran into the two geniuses from earlier in the evening (it's a wonder they weren't playing in traffic). So with my mojo fine-tuned I figure I'm sure to get some sparks flying this time - if only to prove a point. I ejected when the girls insisted not on eating, but trying to order coffee in a Chinese restaurant. My buddy insisted on staying and had another fruitless two hours with them - and what a time he had listening to one of them bang on about astrology.

I seriously think it takes a woman with some minimum level of awareness and intelligence to recognise and appreciate inner Game in a man.

Pound for pound, if it's truly average girls you're after, I'd suggest you're better off getting some [more] really obnoxious ink, rather than working on your people skills.

 

[sstype]

I guess if it were me I wouldn't even waste any time trying to game the 5 and 6s. A huge misconception guys have is that average looking girls are somehow easier to talk to and more laid back b/c they aren't as attractive so they have to make up for it by being nicer.

From my experience, this is patently false, as no girl ever wants to admit to herself that she's not "the best", so the uglier/average looking chicks just tend to act b1tchier to cover their insecurities. The hotter ones, for the most part, tend to be the most outgoing and comfortable in their own skin....you just have treat them normally and not drool on them like every other guy does.

It bothers me that guys will significantly lower their standards just to get a scrap of female attention, and that's a huge reason why so many of them look like crap these days. I bet if we all just focused on getting 8s, 9s and 10s and boycotted the remaining badly dressed muffintops and whales, you would see a massive shift in power as women would stop thinking that a mere vagina is their personal golden ticket.

 

[Wilko]

I have to say SS, what you wrote really resonated. I actually just got back in from a night out with the same mate, and I noted with great satisfaction that he actually set some standards for himself - there was a very average, very open two set, begging to be opened, but he actually agreed they weren't worth the effort. Major shift for this guy, he's basically coming out of a "divorce" for want of a better word, and prior to this he seems to have felt compelled to take every opportunity that presented itself, however unattractive.

I also think you're right when you imply that guys should have one eye on their individual needs, and another on changing the culture - paying it forward for the other brothers.

 

[sstype]

I have to say SS, what you wrote really resonated. I actually just got back in from a night out with the same mate, and I noted with great satisfaction that he actually set some standards for himself - there was a very average, very open two set, begging to be opened, but he actually agreed they weren't worth the effort. Major shift for this guy, he's basically coming out of a "divorce" for want of a better word, and prior to this he seems to have felt compelled to take every opportunity that presented itself, however unattractive.

I also think you're right when you imply that guys should have one eye on their individual needs, and another on changing the culture - paying it forward for the other brothers.

Good for your friend! Its tough to deprogram yourself from this "get laid at all costs" mentality thats shoved down our throats by mainstream society and PUA counterculture.

I hate it whenever we have threads that ask "how many women have you slept with" because it implies the measure of a man is soley on number of women banged. So a frat guy with 100 crappy one-night-stands with mostly 4s to 6s will be a greater "stud" than the discriminating gentleman who's had 4 quality long-term relationships with 9s and 10s.

Now you have a bunch of insecure guys who will f*ck anything to fluff up their lay count even if the women they're with doesn't really turn them on. One of my buddies who's slept with about 40+ women (he's 25) regrets having hooked up with most of his girls.

But to address your original point, I think a reason you got a much better response from the hotter women is because you were more attracted to them, thus more engaged in the conversation and more motivated to run tighter game. Where as with the average girls, you knew going in they weren't really your type going in so you half-assed it and subconsciously they picked that up and reacted to you in kind.

My philosophy is this, if she ain't worth a second round and breakfast in the morning, then I won't approach her.

I would have to get really strong IOIs, a personality of gold, and a super sexy outfit to even consider approaching an average girl. Actually my last lay was exactly like this. She was probably a 5 or so in looks, a little bit on the thick side, but man she knew how to wear that ****tail dress, was sporting bright red lipstick, and was giving me the sexiest "f*ck me" eyes. I mean she was cute but not the best looking chick there, however she was a hit with the guys just on how "put together" she was. On top of that she was really easy going and fun to talk to. For me, the fact that she at least put in the effort to make herself appealing and carry on an intelligent conversation turned me on enough to want her. Otherwise, if she was wearing some generic "going out" outfit and copping a holier than thou attitude like the majority of the women I wouldn't have even given her a second look.

So since most women are going to be a pain in the ass these days regardless of their looks, it just makes sense to just go for the hottest ones (in your eyes)

 

[Lexington]

The question is, why do you go out there and hunt? Do you go there because you want to seem cool amongst your buddies? Do you do it because you believe that quantity or quality of women you have bedded is a measure of how much of a man you are?

Or are you just doing it because you simply enjoy the pleasure of having sex with a girl?

A lot of guys overthink it. If you're just looking for a lay, the only question that needs to be asked is: if I saw this girl naked, would I feel horny and would I want to fvck her? If the answer is yes, then go ahead with it. Obviously the criteria is a little bit more complex if you're looking for an LTR.

This whole rating scale is completely subjective and arbitrary anyway. One man's 9 could be another man's 6. The only evaluation system you need is that thing between your legs.

 

[backbreaker]

I just.. i just don't understand why guys have such a hard time understanding the concept and posiblities that day game presents the avg male.


why would you put yourself, in the middle of a war zone with a machine gun and your targets all are looking right at you and they all have on multiple layers of protection/sheild that you can't penatrate?

women KNOW you are there to pick them up. lol, and half of them, evne if they wanted to be picked up they don't want to look like a slut. or they might get too drunk to rmeember your name when you call the next day.

I did the whole night club thing for a good year and I got a few plates out of it, even a stripper who i met at a night club on her off night, but i realized quickly that thius just wasn't going to work. this was too much work and the entire thing does not play to the agressors advantage.

society has become so PC and so chumpish that women do not expect men to just open them up and bodly tell them exactly what they are thinking in the middle of the day to a woman you don't know. they are so shocked by your brazenness that you will usually get a more true interaction with a girl. not saying you will be successful every time but when a woman is interested you know she's interested and when she's not she's not.

why are you chasing avg ass women around different clubs and ****, pumping up their value and deleding yours? i don't get that. i never did get that.

and yes i go out once in a blue moon but just to get out the house.

you need to jump that hurdle and take that fear... the only thing that stops every last man on this forum from having a phone full of options on any given night is fear. fear of being rejected, fear of the unknown, fear of taking chances. once you can conquer that fear the world is your oyster my friend. you realize just the amount of countless opportunities they are. the laundry mat, the grocery store, it doesn't matter anymore. it's all opportunities. I have a thing for bath and body works, one day i was single walked in just to get a few bottles of the pearberry spray i had ran out of, there was a cute thing behind the counter, 4-5 minutes tops, bam. just like that. no drinks, no hour long conversation about bull **** playing to her vanity hey bab you are very cute, i am in a hurry but give me your number i am free tomorrow night i will pick you up so we can go to X". just do it. don't' question it just do it. do it ******* (Saturday night live reference)

 

[sstype]

I agree BB. Good analogy. I remember last year I pulled this blonde and remember her ditching this muscle head that had tried all night to get her but chose me in her words "i was cuter." Another night I had to ****block another dude that had tried to moving in on my girl by grabbing her and moving her to the dance floor before I took her home. Of course, these were exceptions, all a matter of right place, right time, happen to be her type, as I've been blown off for someone "better" plenty of times, but it illustrates how super-competitive and tough night game can be. At any moment, your girl (even if she's no bombshell) can blow you off for the smallest reason or no reason at all and there will be 10+ competent dudes waiting in the shadows to put their bid in.

It's nothing personal just the nature of the environment. Its 100x easier to pick-up women at school, work, social circle, day-game where you won't be treated like a disposable penis.