Tired of Games

[holidayad_]

Hey all

Simple post:

Do you ever get tired of having to play or respond to games in the dating scene?

Because I am.

Sex for sex's sake, there are ladies of the night. Connecting deeply with a woman these days is practically like winning the lottery anyways.

 

[patb]

That’s exactly why they keep prostitution illegal: they don’t want you to be able to say no to the games. You will grovel, worm.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Perhaps you shouldn't expect to unravel the mysteries of the universe and have deep philosophical convos about true love and love languages on a first date.

First dates are meant to be fun and find out if you want to see them again.

Save all that metaphysical stuff for random conversations over months of time.

Honestly you are likely coming off as a weirdo if this is what you are doing on first dates. Too serious too fast is not a good way to make women want to see you again.

 

[holidayad_]

Perhaps you shouldn't expect to unravel the mysteries of the universe and have deep philosophical convos about true love and love languages on a first date.

First dates are meant to be fun and find out if you want to see them again.

Save all that metaphysical stuff for random conversations over months of time.

Honestly you are likely coming off as a weirdo if this is what you are doing on first dates. Too serious too fast is not a good way to make women want to see you again.

Yeah, I see your point. But that's not happening. At least with me. I get chicks and I turn them into plates. The point is that I am tired to keep going without seeing any point on it.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Wow, 24 and already burned-out. Maybe you should shoot for a higher class of women.

 

[holidayad_]

Wow, 24 and already burned-out. Maybe you should shoot for a higher class of women.

Do they exist? hahaha

 

[kavi]

Certain 'games' of women are the reason why everything is messed up now.

Some games are ok, some can even be cool and fun, some can test a guys nerve but it can have value.

But the worse games of women are those that cause the mans value to drop to below hers. The ego games. The lack of acknowledgement of a mans value. Most women do not want a leader but what they want is a subordinate. For them, the leader is the system, money, stuff, the opinions of friends but they dont respect men even the few who are capable of leadership. Now the women are learning that by not repsecting the true elite men they now will end with nothing just complete failures and wrecks all they hve is some job, lowclass hookups every now and then, a few pathetic losers as friends and thats about it. Welcome to the nihilism that is life in 2023.

All this is because of the marriage system, and also beta males thinking they are equal to alphas. The modern economic system, marriage system and everything doesnt take from men to give to women, it takes from alpha males, leaders, the best of men and gives that respect to normie guys, business guys and women.

Its not about the average guy, its not about the husband, its about the best of men, once the best guys get the validation and respect then other men and women can get it too.

In old days there was no marriage system, there was only 'communal' systems. Whatever that means for sexual access is not my point here. The important point is that in a community, alpha males ie leaders got more respect then beta males, but when the monogamous marriage system was created it was the end of the alpha male leader, the end of communities, the start of female ego, narcissism and every bad thing that came from there, as in Pandoras box all evil came from the invention of the marriage system.

Now every woman wants a man to provide for her because that is what she was told that men should provide marriage for women, when in reality BOTH men and women just need to respect the best of society, which is by definition the alpha males.

 

[The Duke]

Do they exist? hahaha

Yes, but they usually only date the best men.

 

[holidayad_]

Yes, but they usually only date the best men.

What is to be the best man for a woman? The beta with loads of money who enjoys to be cucked? They don't exist. I think they used to exist.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

What is to be the best man for a woman?

In general, women like men to have a strong masculine frame that allows women to be feminine without reserve.

 

[holidayad_]

Certain 'games' of women are the reason why everything is messed up now.

Some games are ok, some can even be cool and fun, some can test a guys nerve but it can have value.

But the worse games of women are those that cause the mans value to drop to below hers. The ego games. The lack of acknowledgement of a mans value. Most women do not want a leader but what they want is a subordinate. For them, the leader is the system, money, stuff, the opinions of friends but they dont respect men even the few who are capable of leadership. Now the women are learning that by not repsecting the true elite men they now will end with nothing just complete failures and wrecks all they hve is some job, lowclass hookups every now and then, a few pathetic losers as friends and thats about it. Welcome to the nihilism that is life in 2023.

All this is because of the marriage system, and also beta males thinking they are equal to alphas. The modern economic system, marriage system and everything doesnt take from men to give to women, it takes from alpha males, leaders, the best of men and gives that respect to normie guys, business guys and women.

Its not about the average guy, its not about the husband, its about the best of men, once the best guys get the validation and respect then other men and women can get it too.

In old days there was no marriage system, there was only 'communal' systems. Whatever that means for sexual access is not my point here. The important point is that in a community, alpha males ie leaders got more respect then beta males, but when the monogamous marriage system was created it was the end of the alpha male leader, the end of communities, the start of female ego, narcissism and every bad thing that came from there, as in Pandoras box all evil came from the invention of the marriage system.

Now every woman wants a man to provide for her because that is what she was told that men should provide marriage for women, when in reality BOTH men and women just need to respect the best of society, which is by definition the alpha males.

Word, man.

They just care about themselves and spin the carousel. They give a **** about nothing else. They think they have it all.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah, I see your point. But that's not happening. At least with me. I get chicks and I turn them into plates. The point is that I am tired to keep going without seeing any point on it.

I don't understand what the issue is...are you not feeling they are LTR material or do you just not like having to "date" women?

If they aren't LTR material then you need to aim for better women because you are setting your sights too low.

Or are you simply continuing to date someone for sex when you know you are incompatible in terms of personality?

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Hey all

Simple post:

Do you ever get tired of having to play or respond to games in the dating scene?

Because I am.

Sex for sex's sake, there are ladies of the night. Connecting deeply with a woman these days is practically like winning the lottery anyways.

The only winning move is to not play the game. Either they comply or you walk.

 

[sangheilios]

Hey all

Simple post:

Do you ever get tired of having to play or respond to games in the dating scene?

Because I am.

Sex for sex's sake, there are ladies of the night. Connecting deeply with a woman these days is practically like winning the lottery anyways.

The issues you are having are a very common experience for young(ish) men today, in fact I'd go as far to say that this is the norm. You are living in a time with a dating culture that has been completely warped by social media and dating apps. A young woman today could have access to more potential suitors in one week than a woman from previous generations would have had in an entire lifetime. This was a hard reality for me to accept a few years ago, but a woman that you are talking to is very likely in contact with at least a few men that are comparable to you or possibly better than you.

Women are also far more readily eager to next men instead of giving them a 2nd date, which is a result of the sheer (over)abundance they have with their options of male suitors. Maybe she likes guys that are 6'+ and fit, but you have a sense of humor she doesn't understand or she doesn't like the way you chew your food lol. Again, women today are far fussier than what you would have seen with previous generations of women.

This says a lot about our current times when many young men compare getting a decent girlfriend to that of winning the lottery. This is something I've seen a lot of online but I've also been noticing it in the real world, especially over the last couple years. This isn't some isolated issue unique to black pillers, incel communities, etc. but is instead something affecting the broader male population. I've said this before and I'll say it again, the overwhelming majority of baby boomer males that got married and had children would be total incels in today's dating market.

Keep your head up but try not to obsess over something like this, it's not healthy.

 

[SW15]

Do you ever get tired of having to play or respond to games in the dating scene?

Yes, the early stages of dating can be quite tiresome.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yes, the early stages of dating can be quite tiresome.

Those are the most fun...when you are getting them hot and bothered and then naked in your bed for the first time and I get to see if they can handle me or if they are going to tap out.

 

[SW15]

Those are the most fun...when you are getting them hot and bothered and then naked in your bed for the first time and I get to see if they can handle me or if they are going to tap out.

That is a fun part of the early stages. The ghostings and flakings with bad prospects leading up to that with a good prospect are not fun.

 

[pipeman84]

Connecting deeply with a woman these days is practically like winning the lottery anyways.

I think it's always been like that. What's different nowadays is that you have access to superficial connection (via social media, OLD) with say 50 women, out of which you don't connect deeply with any of them, whereas in the past you had only real life interaction with say 5 women, none of which you could connect deeply with. But because of society's expectations, you'd still marry one of them.

A young woman today could have access to more potential suitors in one week than a woman from previous generations would have had in an entire lifetime.

Women are also far more readily eager to next men instead of giving them a 2nd date, which is a result of the sheer (over)abundance they have with their options of male suitors

Yeah, but the key point is that those are not viable suitors, ie she doesn't like them and/or they don't like her and only want sex. If you were looking for a deep connection with a woman and all your matches on OLD consisted of out of shape, short haired women in their 50s, would you say you have an abundance of viable candidates?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

That is a fun part of the early stages. The ghostings and flakings with bad prospects leading up to that with a good prospect are not fun.

I rarely get flaked on. Maybe once every 20 first dates.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I rarely get flaked on. Maybe once every 20 first dates.

I rarely get flaked on as well. Unless you count a date falling through because of an emergency, but they always let me know before the date, so I don't call that flaking.