Tinder lay #2... Or what a relentless guy does when she tries to fall asleep instead.

[bukowski_merit]

So, after a month with no results on Tinder; I’ve now had 2 lays over a few days. Both nurses; both in their mid 20’s; both still living at home. So, maybe this Tinder thing is not so bad.

Over the course of the years, I’ve slowly stopped caring about this Alpha and Beta thing. What is it I want from women? Well, mainly to have some amazing sex. That’s the result I want. I’m result driven; with no conscious thoughts given to how I got the results (if it was alpha or beta)

Why am I saying all this? Well, I believe the way I got the girl to come have sex with me last night was about as anti-alpha as anyway I’ve ever got a woman over my house. And it doesn’t really matter to me; the result was hours of amazing sex where I had her repeatedly tell me over and over all night that she was glad she came instead of staying home.

So, on with the story….





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We started talking on Tinder yesterday morning. By the afternoon – we were texting. We got into some sex talk; she told me I was making her wet and to stop, I didn’t…. blah blah blah…

Around mid-afternoon I asked her what she was doing for the night. She told me she was going out with her girls to this bar. She asked if I wanted to go after I told her I wasn’t doing anything for the night…. I told her I didn’t… I told her that I was staying home. Then I invited her over to my place after she was done clubbing…. She said “absolutely not, I don’t know you I’m not coming over to your house the first time I meet you.”

Gentlemen, those words mean nothing…

I tell her to have a good night and the conversation ends.




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A few hours later, around 11pm – I get a text: “I might want to come over.”
Me: “Ehh… I’m about to go to bed and am not staying up for a ‘might’.”
Her: “Ok I want to come over. But I have to go home first and redo my makeup and hair.”
Me: “I don’t give a sh!t about your makeup and hair just come here.”
Her: “Ewww…. I’ve been dancing all night and am sweaty; im not trying to have that be your first impression of me.”
Me: “You leaving now?”
Her: “No, after we finish this drink. We’re leaving.”
Me: “Ok call me when you leave.”
Her: “Ok”


It’s about 11:30 when I send her that. 12 comes. 12:30 comes. I don’t text her; I just lay down and fall asleep.



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15 minutes later I get a text “Leaving club now. Going home then coming over.”

I call her…. She answers…
Me: “Don’t go home; just come straight here.”
Her: “I’m already on the road that goes back to my home. I want to put on my favorite dress for you and do myself up pretty”
Me: “You’re a woman, that means I wouldn’t see you until 3am. Turn around and come here.”
Her: “Relax. I won’t be that long.”

I fail to convince her to turn around. We Blah blah some… Then

Her: “I’m pulling into driveway; I can’t talk on the phone will wake up parents. I’ll call you when I’m leaving.”
Me: “Ok.”




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About 10 minutes go by and I text her “So I was right about 3am?”

She texts me back, “lol no, I already did my makeup and hair, now I’m just laying down to rest a bit before I come over.”

Me: “Oh fvck no, get your @ss up! You did not wake me up out of bed so that you can go home and go to sleep.”

Her: “I’m not going to sleep just laying down for 10 minutes.”


I call her…
Her: “I knew you were going to call” (Her voice sounds like she was getting ready to pass out.)
Me: “Get up and come over now before you fall asleep”.
Her: “But I’m tired.”
Me: “Nah, you got me up, I’m up now, you’re coming over. Get up and get in your car. I’ll stay on the phone with you the whole time.”
Her: “I can’t just get up and come over. I took my clothes off and am under my comfortable blankets. Let’s just do this tomorrow night or this weekend. I have off Saturday night.”
Me: “Nah, you got me up, you’re coming over. I’m not letting you go to sleep.”

For the next 45 minutes! We stay talking like this on the phone. This same exchange. With her dropping the following excuses:

1) Can’t come over because I’m tired.
2) Can’t come over because I’m naked.
3) Can’t come over because I live in Pennsylvania and you live in Maryland. (I live 25 minutes from her)
4) Can’t come over because I drank too much.
5) Can’t come over because my hair and makeup are a mess now.
6) Can’t come over because I need gas and don’t feel like stopping.
7) Can’t come over because you could be a serial killer.

This was 45 minutes of me telling her she woke me up to come over, I was up now, and that she was coming over. I’d say “Step 1: Get up and put clothes on. Step 2: Get your keys. Step 3: Get in your car. Step 4: Drive.”




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At no point did I believe she wasn’t coming over.

And then finally…

“Alright @sshole, I’m up. I’m just throwing on some yoga pants and a hoodie though. You win. You’re the most relentless guy I’ve ever met.”




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She shows up about 2am. We talk a little at the table in my bedroom (everyone should have a table in their bedroom. It’s much easier to transition to the bed without pausing the momentum.)

She was about a 7 in the her pics; but – a solid 8 in person (and she was claiming this is what she looks like with bad makeup and messed up hair?)

After a little bit. I walk over to her, grab her hand and pull her up out of the seat, she says “what?” like a little helpless animal. I kiss her, start feeling her up through her yoga pants. She’s SOAKED!

“Why are you so wet? Huh?” kiss “you didn’t even want to come.” kiss “you’d rather be sleeping right now wouldn’t you?” yank on her hair and kiss…

We hit the mattress and fvck for a good 3 hours (not continuous I’m not superman but either kissing or fvcking or feeling all over each other’s bodies for 3 hour)…. Amazing sex. Very in tune with each other’s bodies.




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Slept about an hour together before I had to get up and go to work…. She asked if she could stay… I said hell no…

It’s been about 3 hours since then. And she’s still texting me nonstop about how much fun she had with me and how she how she hopes i want to see her again.

Another bird caught in my web....


- End

 

[El Payaso]

Wow. I think the Tinder gods must have been happy with us last night or something. Same thing happened to me. I had a chick who flaked on me and after a little sexting, she was BEGGING me to let her to come over to my house and "back up my words with action". She was only 19 too so her pvssy was like a death grip.

 

[BraddH]

Exactly. This is what I mean by alpha and beta sh!ts are simply sh!ts.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

In the defense of Alphaness, you weren't begging or pleading. You were more demanding, telling her what to do, taking charge.

In typical chick fashion, in almost every point in that situation she was going to do the opposite of what she was saying. She obviously needs a guy to tell her what to do, take control. You did it, and she had a great time because of it. She would have missed out if it wasn't for you telling her what to do.

As seen by her followup texts, think you got this one hooked....

Great story btw.

 

[bukowski_merit]

Wow. I think the Tinder gods must have been happy with us last night or something. Same thing happened to me. I had a chick who flaked on me and after a little sexting, she was BEGGING me to let her to come over to my house and "back up my words with action". She was only 19 too so her pvssy was like a death grip.

Exactly. This is what I mean by alpha and beta sh!ts are simply sh!ts.

In the defense of Alphaness, you weren't begging or pleading. You were more demanding, telling her what to do, taking charge.

In typical chick fashion, in almost every point in that situation she was going to do the opposite of what she was saying. She obviously needs a guy to tell her what to do, take control. You did it, and she had a great time because of it. She would have missed out if it wasn't for you telling her what to do.

As seen by her followup texts, think you got this one hooked..

Great story btw.

There's some good stuff in the whole alpha thing.

But there's people that I believe take it too far. There's guys who would take her wanting to go to sleep and her 7 excuses as low interest. Stop the story after the 7 excuses and a lot of people on this board would say "she had low interest, would she be home trying to sleep if you were brad pitt?"

But hell, no one can get that wet for someone they have low interest in. Most of the time it's not as simple as the Brad Pitt analogy.

- Or that I was too available to her and accepting of her bratiness.

"An alpha wouldn't waste his time with a woman giving him a hard time" etc....

I also didn't plead with her or beg; but I definitely was laying the guilt trip on her pretty hard and she called me out on it every time i did it lol



But yeah... Was a good time... Now I just have to make it through the day off 1 hour of sleep & paranoid that a smell like sex....

 

[bukowski_merit]

Good for you but I'm way to grown to be that desperate to beg for puzzy. Hearing excuses makes my dikk limp noodle status.

Their is nothing "Alpha" about repeating yourself over n over. All because he never said please does not mean he's not begging, he stayed on the phone for 45 minutes trying to get her over smh.

Perfect example. Even complete with language to make himself sound superior.

To people like this - the result is not nearly as important as the route taken to said result.

The fact that this girl drove over my house to fvck. Is choosing to not sleep right now so she can text me all morning. And is basically asking if she can come over right after work so we can continue what we were doing - means nothing. Why? Because I stayed on the phone with her for 45 minutes and let her be a brat.

 

[Alvafe]

There's some good stuff in the whole alpha thing.

But there's people that I believe take it too far. There's guys who would take her wanting to go to sleep and her 7 excuses as low interest. Stop the story after the 7 excuses and a lot of people on this board would say "she had low interest, would she be home trying to sleep if you were brad pitt?"

But hell, no one can get that wet for someone they have low interest in. Most of the time it's not as simple as the Brad Pitt analogy.

- Or that I was too available to her and accepting of her bratiness.

"An alpha wouldn't waste his time with a woman giving him a hard time" etc....

I also didn't plead with her or beg; but I definitely was laying the guilt trip on her pretty hard and she called me out on it every time i did it lol



But yeah... Was a good time... Now I just have to make it through the day off 1 hour of sleep & paranoid that a smell like sex....

yes you didn't beg more like demanded, and most of time when you as a guy do that girls come around to do it.

but also to put a new point of view here, you saying and alpha wouldn't lose time, its more like he wouldn't lose time with her because he didn't just wanted her for sex, he wanted her to be possible something else, and taht is what this dinamic most people say I belive it is you not losing time trying to make a LTR with a girl like her.

you just wanted to bang her and put that into action, you don't care if she will be a LTR material or not, you just want a bang, you did, maybe you will repeat that, possible be a LTR with her? don't think so.

I think most guys sure take things too serious but the deal here is read, see what works, what you can do, and put your own charm on how you will do it to make it at least fresh and when poeple look at you don't just say he just do it because he read over the tutorial over the internet.

 

[Turuwal]

Their is nothing "Alpha" about repeating yourself over n over. All because he never said please does not mean he's not begging, he stayed on the phone for 45 minutes trying to get her over smh.

who gives a fvck he got the d in the p

everything else is details

 

[Lotus Effect]

Great story! Repped Mate!

And this

In the defense of Alphaness, you weren't begging or pleading. You were more demanding, telling her what to do, taking charge.

Is the truth! Repped as well!

 

[gravityeyelids]

Fvcking good work man. I'm having a hell of a time transitioning these tinder matches to lays....From what i'm reading it sounds like you want to transition the messages to sexual stuff relatively quickly...

But what's the easiest way to do this? I mean i'm not completely green, i know how to transition to sexting with a smarta$$/flirty girl. But some of these chicks are so boring and dumb that they can't even verbally spar or tease a little bit.

Per an article i read about tinder game, I try to get their number after a good number of tinder messages by saying "this tinder thing is so glitchy. here, text me at (***) ***-****."

I've invited girls the same night, but no success. I've also tried to invite them to a party or to a coffee "date", but no luck. Any advice? Just get them wet with sexy talk and wait until they invite themselves over? That seems too easy

 

[JohnChops]

good stuff man! jesus you were persistent, at least it worked.

 

[Jaylan]

You have more patience than I OP. I wouldnt have put up with all that. I would have just went to sleep and told her "next time".

Though personally I do feel like she was trying to get herself on a pedestal and get you begging...and it worked. Relentless? Eh...I wouldnt want some girl describing me as being relentless for her company.

But hey, if all you care about is getting it in...good on you dude.

 

[bukowski_merit]

I belive it is you not losing time trying to make a LTR with a girl like her.

you just wanted to bang her and put that into action, you don't care if she will be a LTR material or not, you just want a bang, you did, maybe you will repeat that, possible be a LTR with her? don't think so..

You don't have the best English, but I can understand what you're saying. And on that point - I agree. I am not a man who does LTRs, and She would not be a great candidate for a LTR based on last night.

Fvcking good work man. I'm having a hell of a time transitioning these tinder matches to lays....From what i'm reading it sounds like you want to transition the messages to sexual stuff relatively quickly...

That's what I do. Other guys have had success just spamming for dates with minimal talk.

But what's the easiest way to do this? I mean i'm not completely green, i know how to transition to sexting with a smarta$$/flirty girl. But some of these chicks are so boring and dumb that they can't even verbally spar or tease a little bit.

Yeah, most girls on Tinder come off very boring and... lost... almost like they don't know what kind of site they are on.... I personally won't deal with a chick who can't verbally spar. So when I'm on tinder, I'm trying to find who can keep up.

Innuendos are the best way imo. If she responds positively too an innuendo - it's very easy from there.

I also play Q&A game, and ask sexual questions.

Per an article i read about tinder game, I try to get their number after a good number of tinder messages by saying "this tinder thing is so glitchy. here, text me at (***) ***-****."

I've invited girls the same night, but no success. I've also tried to invite them to a party or to a coffee "date", but no luck. Any advice? Just get them wet with sexy talk and wait until they invite themselves over? That seems too easy

Like I just told someone in a PM. I've been on there a little over a month and only have 2 lays from it. I don't know if I've figured the whole thing out yet. But i do know what works for me is ....

flirt > she proves she can flirt back > proceed
drop a little sexual innuendo > she's receptive > proceed
"hey why don't we play a little get to know each other Q&A game" > she agrees > proceed
start out with basic questions, transition to sexual questions (at a slow pace) > she answers/asks her own back > proceed
after game continue to talk about normal stuff and mix in sexual stuff (unless she wants to keep it all sexual.)
Invite over. Expect resistance. Have a game plan for it. Know the common excuses given and figure out ways to counter them.
Sometimes I don't invite directly over. I say "let's meet at this mall by my house and as long as we're the people we say we are. we'll go back to my place for drinks. I've had some bad experiences with people not being who they say they are."
That's the basics of it...

You have more patience than I OP. I wouldnt have put up with all that. I would have just went to sleep and told her "next time".

Though personally I do feel like she was trying to get herself on a pedestal and get you begging...and it worked. Relentless? Eh...I wouldnt want some girl describing me as being relentless for her company.

But hey, if all you care about is getting it in...good on you dude.

I also care about the result that I got and how she's obsessing over me now.

I actually liked when she said I was relentless... It turned me on... cuz she was about to find out how relentless i am

And thanks cupcake.

 

[bukowski_merit]

Chillax I said good for you and spoke of personally what I wouldn't stand for.

You're a little too passive aggressive for my taste darling... but Jaylan's got your back.

 

[bukowski_merit]

Fvcking good work man. I'm having a hell of a time transitioning these tinder matches to lays....From what i'm reading it sounds like you want to transition the messages to sexual stuff relatively quickly...

But what's the easiest way to do this? I mean i'm not completely green, i know how to transition to sexting with a smarta$$/flirty girl. But some of these chicks are so boring and dumb that they can't even verbally spar or tease a little bit.

Per an article i read about tinder game, I try to get their number after a good number of tinder messages by saying "this tinder thing is so glitchy. here, text me at (***) ***-****."

I've invited girls the same night, but no success. I've also tried to invite them to a party or to a coffee "date", but no luck. Any advice? Just get them wet with sexy talk and wait until they invite themselves over? That seems too easy

If you need more advice on this topic....

Here's a writeup I did 3 years ago on the outline of my online game (geared mostly towards OKC) http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread....r-profile-(for-guys-who-just-want-ONS-and-sex)

^ There's also a link in the writeup that leads to the sexual Q&A game I play with women. I've played it with 90% of the women I've banged from online.

Should help some. But Tinder is a new ballgame with the lack of a proper profile.

 

[3agle 3yes]

Fine, you didn't behave "alpha" and still got the bang BUT why do you assume that you wouldn't have been successful if you did. You could've ended up with the same result…

In my opinion the whole concept of "alpha" was to get men to have standards. So many men take women FAR too seriously…

Many men are like unemployed people looking for a job…

So many of them apply for jobs that they don't even like…why? Because they're desperate for a job? They don't realise the problem isn't that they can't get a job the problem is they aren't valuable…and this comes across with everything they do.

If these people manage to get an interview they are so focused impressing their interviewer that they don't realise that their interviewer isn't impressing them.

 

[gravityeyelids]

as a side note, an opener that i've got an almost 100% response rate for is to say their name with an exclamation point. Ex: "Ashley!" or "Sarah!" They nearly ALWAYS reply back with "Gravityeyelids!" or "Gravityeyelids! How Are You?!" I'm talking like 90% of the time at LEAST.

It's mildly more interesting and personal than the standard "What's up?" without being try hard like those more complex openers. Try it out

 

[bukowski_merit]

Thank you for giving me something to debate rather than faking praise and then coming out the side of your mouth.

In my opinion the whole concept of "alpha" was to get men to have standards. So many men take women FAR too seriously…

Standards are abstract. They cannot be concrete. What you desire in a woman is not going to be what I desire in a woman. What you desire SHOULD NOT match what I desire. That's a sign of tribal thinking. That's a sign of successful marketing.

That does not equal me not having standards. It equals me having different standards.

I state multiple times in this thread what I look for in a woman (there's more things too; like physical features). So you don't have to read over everything. I'll show you what I look for:



"What is it I want from women? Well, mainly to have some amazing sex."

I screen hard for this. Part of the reason I play the sexual Q&A game with women is so I can ask them about their freakiness, how long they can have sex for, and most importantly.... How easy/hard it is for them to orgasm.

If they say they're hard to make orgasm, if they say they're not into anything other than normal sex, if they say they only like 10-20 minutes of sex, if they say they prefer love making over rough sex........ I'm instantly not interested. The rest doesn't matter.



"I personally won't deal with a chick who can't verbally spar. So when I'm on tinder, I'm trying to find who can keep up."

The above does not apply to just Tinder. It applies to any woman I'm dealing with. If she doesn't have the wit to keep up with my wit. Or the sexual vibe to keep up with my sexual vibe - I'm not interested. I get bored with women who are boring either in bed or out.



flirt > she proves she can flirt back > proceed
drop a little sexual innuendo > she's receptive > proceed

Pretty much the same as above. Notice I'm leaving the burden on her to keep up. I'm not going to dumb myself down. I said that in the original Tinder thread (from a couple of weeks ago) where I was telling guys I wasn't having success on it. Some were suggesting not to try and have real conversations on it. But I can't do that. I can't invest in a woman until I know she'll be fun. I don't have boring or bad dates anymore.... This is laregely because of this process.

Many men are like unemployed people looking for a job…

So many of them apply for jobs that they don't even like…why? Because they're desperate for a job? They don't realise the problem isn't that they can't get a job the problem is they aren't valuable…and this comes across with everything they do.

If these people manage to get an interview they are so focused impressing their interviewer that they don't realise that their interviewer isn't impressing them.

If you stopped thinking that your ideas are the correct ideas for a minute - you'd realize that not everyone is looking for the same thing. From employers; from women; from god; from state; from death.

The less I'm like you - the happier I am. (Note: "you" = anyone who isn't me.... Not you specifically.)

Happiness drives me; it drives you; it drives everyone. But what brings both of us happiness is not the same.

I'm cool with that...

My ego isn't so big that I'm going to believe that just because I fvck different wild girls on a regular bases that I'm better than a guy who fvcks the same girl nightly who treats him like a king. I can respect that. I had that once... But after 4 years, I got bored with her...

Part of me believes someday I'll start looking for that again.

But not now...

So...

While you're looking for the "good girls" I'm looking for the "good girls... to fvck" tonight....

Different standards... Different routes.... Different Lives...



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[TheCWord]

Great report, Bukowski. (side bar: Bukowski's my favorite).

But I can see it already, I'm going to be in a situation one day where I'm going to recall your story and start persisting and it's going to backfire. You've screwed me again, Chinaski!

 

[bukowski_merit]

Great report, Bukowski. (side bar: Bukowski's my favorite).

But I can see it already, I'm going to be in a situation one day where I'm going to recall your story and start persisting and it's going to backfire. You've screwed me again, Chinaski!

Let me say that I did this for 3 reasons:

1) I wanted to win. Maybe that sounds childish, but the minute one of us was going to have to give into the other. I knew it had to be her.
2) I just knew she was going to give in. I don't know how, but I never had a doubt that she was going to give in. Most of the phone conversation - I had a grin on my face.
3) Everything we've been taught says this shouldn't work. Everything we've been taught says this girl showed signs of low interest. And... I enjoy going against the grain and still being successful.


With that said: I had never done anything like this. I have no idea if this would ever work again, or if it would work for anyone else. It just... Felt easy... It felt like a game that I knew I was going to win in advance.


Also with that said: She's supposed to come over tomorrow night (wearing that dress she never got around to putting on.) There's a possiblity that she's going to try to get me to do this again. She has a 60th bday party for one of her aunt's. And it starts at 6, and ends at 9. She's supposed to come over right after. I know there's a chance she's going to pull this sh!t again. And if she does - I will eject. And be back in here Monday to state as much.