Time to get the hotter babes

[ARrocket]

FR: Failed to seal the deal

I called the Hungarian girl I met online (talked about how I met her for coffee above).

Called her. No answer, so I shoot her a text (this was supposed to be right away, but I got caught up with something else so it was about 5 minutes later.

Me: You free this evening?
HB: Hi, not tonight

I don't answer.

HB: [15 minutes later] Sorry. It looks like I can make it this evening. Around 7?
Me: Sure. Meet at [subway station closest to my place].

[I was thinking it might be better to just say I already made plans, but I didn't].

HB: Ok. See you there

Met at station. Hugged her, then we walked along the street, and went to a local bar with a pool table that's kind of turned into my go-to spot. I realized at this point she had never even asked where we're going, and I thought about just taking her to my place right away. But I pvssied out, because she seems so shy and reserved, so into the bar we went.

I asked what she wanted to drink and bought it - I had whiskey, she had orange juice :nervous:

Played a couple of games. She was pretty awful. Some light kino early on from me, decent reception. I backed off from it. Sat and spoke for awhile. Finish the drinks, I say "I can show you [thing at my place I alluded to early on]." She says "sure, let's go see it."

We bounce to my place, I show her, we head to my room. I sit on my bed, I invite her to join me. She sits about 10 inches away from me. Some conversation, I was hesitating to make a move (I know, I know...amazing what some rust does to you). After a silence, she excuses herself to the bathroom. When she comes back, I show her something lying around my room, this somehow transitions to colors and I grab her hand and say "I'd like to see you with purple nails." She goes "blah blah blah girly stuff wish I had time blah blah" and with that I brush her hair aside and go in for the kiss. I get the cheek. It's awkward for a bit, but I sit back down on the bed, and so does she. I bit more talking, then my new roommate gets home with like 4 other dudes and starts talking to me and opening the door (it was partially open). He left shortly.

Me: Wanna watch a movie? [Weak...]
HB: Actually I have to get home by midnight...or my carriage will turn into a pumpkin.
Me: Ha, alright. Let's get going.
HB: [mumbles] Well, I wasn't really in a hurry...

I ignore.

Walk her back to the station, fluff talk along the way, and I hug her goodbye, kiss her forehead for a second, pull back, look at her, and slowly move towards her lips. She puts her head down, laughs soflty and mumbles what sounds like "that's ok..."

I smile, say "have a good night", she says "you too"

Ouch.

 

[yuppaz]

It takes some practice and experience. Keep at it! Hesitation is never good, and neither is making things anything other then light hearted and fun. Your last girl probably would have stuck around for a while and you could have tried again. Just keep going!

 

[Zarky]

Girls who are utterly passive are often times the hardest to close. They put up no resistance but offer no encouragement either. It took me a long time to figure it out. A guy is used to either encouragement or rejection. When there's none of either it's a pretty strange situation.

 

[ARrocket]

Thanks yuppaz, missing out on one girl definitely gets me motivated to try with another. Meeting another online girl for coffee today (so I was displeased to read the Starbucks thread).

It took me a long time to figure it out.

Teach me the ways

 

[yuppaz]

Don't worry about it, Starbucks is fine. BB has been married for a while and probably isn'tthe best person to take advice from in your specific situation right now. Feel the girl out man, and try again to bring her to your place.

 

[sageproduct]

Is this Hungarian chick a fob? Or is she Americanized?

I had a chat recently with a good female friend of mine. She was telling me about how she has issues and has trouble expressing affection for someone. She's dating this guy and likes him but for some reason is unable to show it.

 

[Serg897]

Good journal ARocket. I like your style and I don't think you are doing much wrong - this Hungarian girl is problably utterly confused about what she wants. In my experience its not worth wasting too much time on females like this, simply put her on the backburner and find another that DOES know. When a girl really wants you she will always make it easy.

 

[ARrocket]

Good journal ARocket. I like your style and I don't think you are doing much wrong - this Hungarian girl is problably utterly confused about what she wants. In my experience its not worth wasting too much time on females like this, simply put her on the backburner and find another that DOES know. When a girl really wants you she will always make it easy.

That's true, and is why having OPTIONS is important Thanks for the feedback!

Sageproduct, she's very fob-ish (fobbish? fobby?).

Met HB Goth from online for coffee. She's not really goth, but likes to pretend sometimes. She's way fatter than she looked in her pic, but has a cute face. So now I'm just looking for a pump and dump.

Boring, forced conversation, but she seemed attracted to me. We were sitting across from each other, but I got some light kino in when she started talking about makeup and doing her nails (grabbed her hand). Departed with a hug, she said "we'll do it again sometime!" I said "take care."

I'll wait a couple of days and then invite her over to my place.

On another note, how do you kiss girls taller than you?

 

[sageproduct]

Cool, well I don't know anything about Hungarians, but I heard that Russian women are used to their men being VERY aggressive, so that can lead to strange expectations/signal reading when they interact with men here in the States.

 

[ARrocket]

First off, I'm disappointed with my lack of cold-approaches, so I'm going to really try to push myself on this one. There were some good looking targets today, but they all seemed super young. Also, I don't go out just to approach. But, I'll see what I can do.

HB Dance

I guess I forgot to update, but I did meet up with her a couple of weeks ago (right before we both left town for the holidays). Met at bar near me, played pool, ended up getting softly kicked out due to us just sitting there and not buying more drinks :cuss: Moderate kino, she seemed to enjoy herself. Asked what my plans for the rest of the night were as we were getting ready to leave. Fvck fvck fvck I should have tried to get her back to my place, but a friend of mine who I made plans to meet at a bar that night had been blowing up my phone (because I was already late...) and I did want to see her before she left town, so I kind of just lied and said I had to pack since my flight was in the morning. Fvvvvvvck.

Anyway, walk her to the subway station, some old dude is staring at us, it really messed me up, I didn't kiss close.

Didn't contact her for the two weeks, then hit her up Sunday:

Me: Yo lady, you free this evening?
HB: For?
Me: Me, of course.
HB: Lol ok. Where and when?
Me: Chez moi [my place], around 20:00 [I like to throw in 24 hour time sometimes just for fun...oftentimes I'd say something like 8:02 as well, just to keep it interesting]
HB: That's too far and too late lol. I'm at [area] until 6pm if you want to meet somewhere closer after
Me: I'm not available until closer to 8
HB: Then maybe somewhere downtown? lol were you planning to have dinner?
Me: Well yes, but I'll be staying here to make it [this was a lie...I was trying to hook her]
HB: Oh I see. What are you cooking?
Me: You'll have to find out for yourself
HB: lol What's your address?
Me: I can meet you at [subway station]

No response for a bit, then she calls at 8. Asks if I'm cooking right now, I say 'not at the moment.' She says she's pretty hungry and wants to get some food...I didn't budge.

Me (over phone now): Well, you're still welcome to come over, we can have movie night. [I regret my wording of this...whatever]
HB: Oh...so you're not coming out?
Me: No, I'll be staying here.
HB: Oh...how far are you from [subway station]?
Me: Pretty close, about 7 minutes walking.

Maybe I should have mentioned I'd pick her up in my car. She mentioned once how she hates walking in winter. Anyhow, I could have been a bit more insistent that she come over, but if she was DTF it would have happened.

My gut tells me she's interested though, I'll call her Thursday and set up plans at a dollar cinema. Afterwards, I'll invite her over.

 

[ARrocket]

HB Nails

An OkCupid chick. In her profile it says she's really good at doing her nails, but "that appeals to exactly 0% of men so..."

Opened by telling her I have a thing for nice nails, she's cute, and we should get to know each other.

Wow. What followed was a wall of text for a response, she's asking me tons of questions, etc. I follow up, we have a pretty good conversation going, she seems to be highly interested. After maybe 3 or 4 messages, I suggest we exchange numbers, and leave her mine.

Then nothing.

For 2 weeks.

Finally, she gets back to me and says [paraphrasing] "I didn't have time to write back right away, and then it became so long that I was embarrassed to write back. But I had fun talking to you and hope you'll still want to talk to me, here's my number, hope to hear from you."

Okaaaay....

Hit her up a few days later. With these online girls I like to text more than normal to build some comfort, but after 2 good replies she just didn't answer.

2 days later, I called. No answer. No call-back. I nexted her in my mind. But today she gets back to me (the next afternoon).

HB: Hey, you called?
Me: Yes, I was going to dazzle you with my wit and charm while determining if you're an old man in disguise, then suggest we meet for a drink
Me: I'll just skip to the last part; I'm free Tuesday and Thursday this week
HB: Lol, I'm free Thursday. Where we're [sic] you thinking?
Me: Probably [area], I'll let you know

The bar I'm leaning towards is a dive bar that is surrounded by more upscale places, so I feel kinda weird taking her there, but fvck it, I'll do it anyway most likely.

Edit: I will not always go into such detail with the online girls, but this one seems noteworthy. She by far seems like best combination of looks and intelligence I've managed to get a response from on that site.

 

[pdx1138]

You're doing good, keep it going.

Sometimes women on the dating sites take awhile to get back.
Just par for the course, and as you figured out sometimes up
to two weeks might pass, but you know not to count on it and
work on getting more women.

Which in some situations can be quite fun as you have multiple
interested ladies after your cack!

 

[ARrocket]

Thanks pdx! It's called game because it's supposed to be fun

Well I approached this HB 8.5 Asian looking (turns out she's not) girl on the street. We both left the subway at the same station, and I had to cross the street and power walk to catch up with her. Almost like a sign from the heavens, she puts her hood up as I get close (impossible that this was on purpose though). I catch up, and while we're both walking:

Me: Hi
HB: [Turns slowly towards me, big smile for a a couple of seconds] uhh...hi...

Note: I live in a bilingual city in which English is NOT the primary language. I do not speak the primary language, but most young people have at least a decent grasp of English. Sometimes this stops me from approaching, especially away from downtown. Her English didn't sound too great.

Me: I thought you were cute so I wanted to talk to you.
HB: Ok [starts turning away]
Me: I'm ARrocket
HB: Ok [almost inaudible]
HB: [few seconds later] I'm HB
Me: Where are you going?
HB: Home.
Me: Where are you coming from?
HB: School

Fluff talk about school...the whole time I can barely hear her, she's speaking so damn quietly, hardly looking at me, etc.

Me: I just moved here from [place]
HB: I'm from Peru...it's in South America. I speak Spanish.

So, I continue the fluff talk in Spanish, which I speak decently. This seemed to pique her interest a bit, but alas, not enough.

Me: [in English] Well, I'm going this way...what's your number?
HB: I'm not gonna give you my number.
Me: Why not?
HB: [Inaudible mumbling, not even looking at me]
Me: Ok, have a good one.

My thoughts: She made it difficult from the get-go, and that threw me for a loop I guess. I suppose she wasn't attracted, but no big deal, I wasn't looking my best. I should have tried to be more fun; clearly, my Spanish-language witty banter is lacking.

On another note, some online chick just told me she's free tomorrow so I'll set up a date (drinks).

 

[sageproduct]

Well I can chime in a bit on cold approaching since I do that a fair amount.

How you think you look only has an impact on you mentally. One time I went to the mall with my friend all sweaty, unshowered, and greasy in a fwcking t-shirt and shorts just to prove a point to him and got a couple numbers. I've noticed no difference in how well I'm dressed that day. In fact, I actually find myself often doing worse when I'm better dressed. Not sure why.

Directly asking for the phone number often draws resistance to being "picked up". The focus should be seeing her again, talking to her again, getting to know her better, etc., with the phone number only being the means of doing that.

Something that helps when you're not used to cold approaching is try to close every single time, even if you know that the girl is uninterested and won't give you the number. This just helps you get a feel for the difference between true disinterest and socially programmed resistance.

Props for approaching though! If you approach, then you win.

 

[ARrocket]

Cold approach in subway station

Directly asking for the phone number often draws resistance to being "picked up". The focus should be seeing her again, talking to her again, getting to know her better, etc., with the phone number only being the means of doing that.

Thanks sageproduct, I'll keep that in mind.

As I walked into the subway station, I noticed some girl behind me trying to walk and text at the same time. Asian (South Korean, turns out). I'd give her a 6 (I've decided to stop being so generous with this ). Subpar face, but nice hair and a delicious looking ass.

I held the door open for her, but didn't open. We get down to the platform, and she starts putting on headphones. Fvck it, it's now or never! I walk up:

Me: Hi
HB: [seems confused] hi...
Me: I thought you were cute so I wanted to talk to you.
HB: [removes headphones] Pardon?
Me: [repeats]
HB: [kinda smiling, seems shocked] ohh, hi
Me: I'm ARrocket
HB: I'm HB
Me: So do you go to [university]?

Fluff talk about school, where she's from, where I'm from, we get on the train, more fluff talk, she asks a few questions too. I made sure to find out where she lives, so she wouldn't unexpectedly be getting off the train!

Me: So you're getting off here?
HB: Yeah...I have to transfer here.
Me: Alright, well I'm staying on. Wanna exchange numbers? [while pulling out phone]
HB: Yeah [pulls hers out]

Get the digits, she's watching to make sure I enter it correctly.

HB: Just text me so I get yours.
Me: Alright, nice meeting you, take care.
HB: Same, you too!

I texted her today (next day), 2 fluff messages (mostly so she'd have my number), she responded positively. I'll hit her up Saturday and try to hang out. I'd guess she's about 19 or 20 (2nd year university student).

Elsewhere, online girl that agreed to meet me for drinks bailed 3 hours later, saying she forgot about dinner plans with her friend. No apology, no counteroffer.

Good thing I got HB Nails lined up for tomorrow.

 

[pdx1138]

congrats! You're on the right track.

That's how its done, keep up the good work.

Took me way later in life to figure that out and you're only 23.

 

[ARrocket]

Went on a date with an OkCupid girl. Any insight on that appreciated.

Pvssied out on a cold approach in the subway. Pity, she was smoking hot.

I've set up a date tomorrow with the Asian chick I cold approached a few days ago. Text conversation (2 days after meeting, one day after a couple fluff texts):

Me: Guess who has a four day weekend...I'll give you two chances
HB: I guess it is you? Haha why 4 day weekend??
Me: All my weekends are like that, be jealous! I'm free Saturday, let's hang out
HB: Super jealous! So you dont have class everyday? Sure lets hang out,
Me: No ma'am, I'm the king of schedules I am thinking afternoon, I'll be in touch
HB: Sure Mr. The king of schedules

Also, fvck me, I had to blow off HB Nails on Thursday because I woke up sick...pro tip: Eat tons of raw garlic. It's disgusting and tough on the stomach, but it's like a miracle drug when you're sick. I'll start incorporating more of it into my diet for preventative purposes.

Too bad about HB Nails, I was super excited to go out with her. I'll try to reschedule for Monday.

Sent a text to dance girl about meeting up, she replied 10 hours later (at 3 in the morning) that she'd be out of town all weekend, and asked if I'm free next week. I didn't reply.

Sent a text to Hungarian girl, she replies 10 hours later saying she has to suddenly move back to Hungary for family issues. I say 'let me know if you're free to meet up before then' and got no reply. Chances are she's not going anywhere, she just doesn't want me contacting her. So that's done.

 

[ARrocket]

Date with Asian girl from previous approach

Met her at a subway station, greeted with a hug. Took her to this cool public market she'd never been to. Walked around a bit as I was shopping for fruit. Good conversation, some kino initiated by both parties. Some coffee and a bite to eat. After nearly two hours, I ask if she'd like to see my place. She agrees.

Get there, sit on my bed, when I realize the NFL playoffs are on. Pulled up a live stream on my laptop while we were sitting on my bed and talking. She is not familiar with American football, As she's commenting on the game, she'd sometimes rest her hand on my lower thigh. She's sitting about a foot away (uncomfortably far for me), but with her body turned in towards me.

This is where I don't think I did so well. I felt awkward trying to kiss her with the physical distance between us...though all I really had to do was lean in towards her.

Her mother calls her, and a few minutes after that, she mentioned something about movies, so I show her my collection and suggest we watch one (this is when I was planning on getting closer to her). A few minutes later she says "actually I think I should get going soon, my mother wants me back home." We talk a bit more, then I walk her to the subway station.

We hug, and I go in for the kiss...she turns her cheek. Which I kiss. Pull apart, somehow we ended up hand-in-hand at this point. She says "thank you" and I say "have a good night."

She either turned her cheek because either:

1) She's not attracted to me
2) Because she's from Asia she isn't comfortable moving forward that quickly
3) She was disgusted that I didn't ravish her while she was in my room

Seeing as I did a direct approach on her and she agreed to meet me (looking hotter than when I approached her, I might add...she put some effort into her appearance today), I'll rule out number 1. My inner optimist hopes it's number 2, but perhaps number 3 is a possibility?

Well, we'll see what happens with this one, but the bigger issue is that this is the second girl in a row that I've had in my bedroom, and I have had problems escalating. I have to figure out a way to get past this!

After all...he who hesitates masturbates

 

[ARrocket]

Finally got some action

HB Goth

Well, I invited HB Goth from post #28 over. Actually, I just told her which subway station to meet me at. She gets there, hug her, we start walking and she asks "where are we going?"

My response: I live on the next block
HB: Ok!

Start off watching football (I know girls don't care, but damnit it's the playoffs), but I soon put on The Emperor's New Groove. Hand holding, some push-pull, arm around her, hair brush, kiss close, makeout, etc. Done deal.

A bit of cuddling, some cool conversation, and she's on her way. It's a shame she's not very attractive, because she's a super cool chick.

Note: I'm a little pissed I missed the New England versus Houston game for this, but from the score line I guess I didn't miss much.

HB Wh0re

She's a friend of a roommate. My 18 y/o roommate is the king of his social circle [he's in a LTR (but not very faithful)] and has people over all the time. HB Wh0re is probably in the 17 - 19 range, about an 8, and kinda slutty. Last party my roommate had, she was dry humping some dude on our couch. Anyway, I've been pretty aloof with her, and lately she's been giving me some eyes. Today she was over with a couple of folks, and I thought something might go down because she was drunk and I had started getting a buzz. But, the dude she was dry humping (they're not dating as far as I know) convinced her to leave with his group. On the way out, she apparently drunkenly broke a window and was bleeding everywhere. Stupid wh0re. We'll see if I can make a move on her though. One potential problem: My roommate informed her that the reason I just now was joining them was because I was banging some chick. Her response was "what the fvck?!" Not sure if that means anything.

Other

Small text exchange with the Asian girl. She denied me a kiss but I was able to set something up for Tuesday. Maybe she is just super conservative and wasn't comfortable kissing that fast. We shall see...

The girl I went out with (and posted a FR about) a few days ago texted me saying she had a good time. I asked what her schedule is like, and we made tentative plans for Thursday. Might fvck her then.

HB Nails: I sent her a text asking if she's free tomorrow evening, but got no response. I also got no response last Sunday when I first contacted her, but she got back to me Monday morning. I had to flake on the date we set up though. Perhaps she has some dude she fvcks all day on Sundays. Or, she's lost interest. Whatever, now that I have a few girls going, I really don't give a sh!t.

 

[ARrocket]

Banged slutty OkCupid girl

The one I went out with a few posts back. She was almost shaming me ('I can't believe you just want to get me back to your place', 'you really know how to court a lady, don't you?' etc). But, back to my place she came (I had just told her which subway station to meet me at). She was super sarcastic the whole time, saying how sh!tty my place is (it is, but fvck you don't have to say it 100 times), saying "oh, I guess it's time for you to try to make a move on me, huh?" She's annoying. But, I plowed through, and the clothes came off.

Stupid girl gave me a hickey!!! Fvvvvcccckkkk

Asian girl

Anyway, I'm going to try to meet up with the Asian girl again tomorrow. We hung out on Tuesday. Played some pool at a bar near campus. It's funny...this is the girl I've gotten the least from physically, but it's the girl I like the most. It's crazy to think, but:


I like this girl.

Serious one-itis creeping in, and I haven't come close to banging her! She's super feminine, hotter than I originally stated (when I approached her, she was apparently wearing her worst outfit, zero makeup, and her hair and nails were not what they usually are), and just a super cool chick. If you recall, I tried to kiss her at the end of the first date, but got the cheek. End of the second date was in the jam-packed subway, so nothing there. She initiates tons of kino though. So, hopefully I'll see her tomorrow.

Elsewhere, the Russian girl texted me out of nowhere, asking if I'd like to meet at some coffee shop. B!tch I don't want to sit around a coffee shop with you, I want you to come over and suck my díck.

HB Dance texted me as well, dropping all kinds of hints that she wants me to ask her out again. I've lost most of my interest for her, but I obliged and did. Her response? She's busy Saturday, but would love to on Sunday. I said I'll get back to her; probably won't.