Time is Money (and vice versa)

[bigneil]

If there is one thing unemployed and/or broke men love to do, it's to focus on the actual dollar amount spent on a date, and to declare that anyone who spends over a certain amount is "paying for it" and that "she is a wh-ore".

This is a cop out.

In reality, if one man earns $100 an hour, and another man earns $10 an hour, and they both take a girl out and spend $100, the guy making $10 an hour spent TEN TIMES AS MUCH on the date. No wonder he's a bitter little cheapskate. No wonder he won't stop whining about how he can afford dinner. It's not the same thing.

If you're so broke that the cost of HALF a MEAL is a factor in your decision making, you have no right dating anyone period.

Why do you think God made men stronger and women prettier? So the guy could go extract resources from the Earth to give to her in return for her affection. It's called being generous (i.e. GENERATING SOMETHING).

Stop making excuses and get a better job.

 

[Eljuego]

If there is one thing unemployed and/or broke men love to do, it's to focus on the actual dollar amount spent on a date, and to declare that anyone who spends over a certain amount is "paying for it" and that "she is a wh-ore".

This is a cop out.

In reality, if one man earns $100 an hour, and another man earns $10 an hour, and they both take a girl out and spend $100, the guy making $10 an hour spent TEN TIMES AS MUCH on the date. No wonder he's a bitter little cheapskate. No wonder he won't stop whining about how he can afford dinner. It's not the same thing.

If you're so broke that the cost of HALF a MEAL is a factor in your decision making, you have no right dating anyone period.

Why do you think God made men stronger and women prettier? So the guy could go extract resources from the Earth to give to her in return for her affection. It's called being generous (i.e. GENERATING SOMETHING).

Stop making excuses and get a better job.

Is this tongue in cheek or are you being serious. I can't tell.

If this is serious, you're definately buying her and you know it deep down. She know's it too sugar daddy. Is that really your philosophy in the last paragraph or more tongue in cheek? "Why do you think God made men stronger and women prettier? So the guy could go extract resources from the Earth to give to her in return for her affection." So you admit that you have to pay for your girl's affection. Did you pay for the hotel with the girl that you never fvcked?

"Generous" is usually buying people. It's the law of reciprocation. You know she'll feel obliged to "repay" you. You know she is indebted to you. I wouldn't spend that money on a "date". No matter how much I earn. I'd spend the money on a girl who's in a relationship with me if the context warranted it and she has a proven track record.

Being a giving person is an entirely different matter and some people confuse the two. Being a giver is not necessarily about money....givers give and takers....suck the fvcking life out of you. Two givers on the other hand....

 

[cola]

Agree with the 100$ an hr analogy. You make good money so to you taking a girl out and spending 300$ is no big deal.
However, not necessary to **** her.

 

[Peña]

Sounds like you made this thread to insult people. It doesn't matter how much money you make. Spending 100's of dollars on a first date is stupid. She does not deserve to have that kind of money spent on her. $20 on drinks is good enough to bang. Spending more money will not get you laid if she does not already have planned to. Dumb thread.

 

[Dgwizdal]

Make it rain.

 

[crgideon]

Beta bucks

Learn to game, get laid without having to throw money around

I met a girl off POF, she drove 40 minutes to my place, gave up the pu$$y, then bought me dinner

Money spent 0$

 

[Cloudtopsun2100]

I like the post by Big Neil. You can't always just go for the zero date bang model unless you are not into human interaction and having a bit of fun. The point the OP made I believe isnt that you have to spend big money to be a man but rather that you should have a good job and focus on your career so that you can spend a bit more (if you want and not to impress the girl but rather to just have fun) and in the process have a more entertaining experience overall without worrying about dollars and cents.

 

[Bingo-Player]

this arguement is pointless and rubbish

if you have proper "game" "vibe" "confidence" whatever it dosent fvcking matter wether you spend 0.01 or 1000 on a date she will still be riding your c0ck at the end of it

some of the most successfull "dates" ive had have only cost me petrol money to pick the chick up and drop her home after ive finished railing her

if you or the chick is counting how much youve spent on the date your not doing your job properly :box:

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I have experience of being with women who earn more and who earn less; who have provided for me and who I have provided for.

To be honest, the situations where the financial investment has been balanced or unbalanced in my favour have been by far more successful (or at least lasting) than those where I have been investing the most.

As an example, a few years ago, when I didn’t know any better, I did spend about 100 on a first date – comedy tickets, a bottle of wine and a bullseye on Italian food after. I thought it was quite a good night. Though she did buy a bottle which cost about a score, I got a half-hearted peck on the lips on the train ride home, proceeded to text the next day, only to never hear anything from her ever again. ‘A girl’s gotta eat’, I suppose.

Just remembered the guy on here last year who bought is ex a 25K watch and then wanted to know the legality of getting it back from her! What a nutter.

May be spend a ton on a chick (in fact, something for the both of you) on her birthday if you’ve been exclusive for a year. Definitely not a first date, and definitely not within the first six months of being with her – whether earning 10/hr or 100/hr. Spending 100/date is fine if you have expensive taste yourself; but don’t do it for the sake of creating an impression. It might be appreciated in the moment but not so much in the long term.

 

[guru1000]

If you want a lady to defer to you completely, then you must be a MAN.

Men take charge, provide and hunt. Women defer and nurture. This is how we are hard-wired.

"Providing" is not to be confused with being "generous," " taken advantage of," or "beta bucks." It means to act within your masculine, dominant, leading role and a woman to act within her feminine, submissive role.

I always pay 100% of the dates.

 

[Eljuego]

If you want a lady to defer to you completely, then you must be a MAN.

Men take charge, provide and hunt. Women defer and nurture. This is how we are hard-wired.

"Providing" is not to be confused with being "generous," " taken advantage of," or "beta bucks." It means to act within your masculine, dominant, leading role and a woman to act within her feminine, submissive role.

I always pay 100% of the dates.

Meanwhile back in the real world...

"If you want a lady to defer to you completely, then you must be a MAN."

And your definition of a MAN is someone who foots the bill 100% of the time? What if I don't want her to "defer" to me. What if I prefer mutual respect? What if I want a woman who is self-reliant, independant and responsable? Am I still able to maintain my masculine energy while she still maintains her feminine energy? I think so.

"Men take charge, provide and hunt. Women defer and nurture. This is how we are hard-wired."

I get where you're coming from even though it's a little Captain Caveman. If it's your wife who you have both decided will be a stay home mother....then fair enough, tarzan provider and hunter, Jane defer and nurture. However, I'm not on this planet to provide for complete strangers (dates). And I'm not talking about being stingy...I have no problem spending my cash....but why would I spend money on a lazy biatch who doesn't work? I'm paying for her time? I'm paying for her affection...what's the message: here value is more than mine.

Most intelligent, responsable working women who I've come into contact with. And I'm not talking about "millionaires" here, just responsable people making their own way in the world....DO NOT want the MAN buying them. They want givers alright. But they don't want to be bought. Takers want to be bought.....

"Providing" is not to be confused with being "generous," " taken advantage of," or "beta bucks." It means to act within your masculine, dominant, leading role and a woman to act within her feminine, submissive role."

This is your own personal belief. If spending money on the little ladies makes you feel like the man....knock yourself out.

"I always pay 100% of the dates."

So that's how your keeping that Ukranian. Eastern Europeans are notorious for that. You the MAN.

 

[zekko]

If there is one thing unemployed and/or broke men love to do, it's to focus on the actual dollar amount spent on a date, and to declare that anyone who spends over a certain amount is "paying for it" and that "she is a wh-ore".

I tend to have more disposable income than most of the people I spend time with - both men and women. As such, I find myself treating a higher percentage of the time, simply because I can. Why ask someone to stress about paying their utility bill when I can comfortably pick up the check?

I think the point bigneil is making is that guys who are not in this position tend to try to use shaming tactics toward the guys who are in that position - calling them "beta providers" and the women "gold diggers".

I live with my girlfriend, and I pay for the house and utilities, because it's mine. But if my girlfriend has something like a car payment or insurance, that's on her. She's welcome to live with me, and share in what I have, but I'm not paying her way or giving her a free ride.

 

[guru1000]

What if I don't want her to "defer" to me.

You are the product of a feminized culture. I cannot fault you for this type of thinking.

I get where you're coming from even though it's a little Captain Caveman. If it's your wife who you have both decided will be a stay home mother....then fair enough, tarzan provider and hunter, Jane defer and nurture. However, I'm not on this planet to provide for complete strangers (dates). And I'm not talking about being stingy...I have no problem spending my cash....but why would I spend money on a lazy biatch who doesn't work? I'm paying for her time? I'm paying for her affection...what's the message: here value is more than mine.

The message is you and she are not equalitarian equals, you are complementary equals. Male and female have specific gender differences. If you fail to recognize this difference and want to be her complete equal, with everything including the drink bill, 50/50, then be my guest. My women 100% defer to me as a man as I demand it. But at the same time, I recognize that for a feminine woman to 100% submit to me, I must be her complementary equal. This means conquering mountains, not squabbling over petty matters like a drink bill, as an effeminated man.

Irrespectively, though, whether I am out on a date or with a guy friend, I usually pick up the bill. As, women do not have the resources I have. Neither do most men. Most men defer to me as well. But even if I was broke as I have been twice before, I would still pick up 100% of the bill. Herein is why I “will” financial success into my life and other men scratch their heads wondering how it is done. The issue here runs a lot deeper than footing a bill my friend.

Further, why are you dating lazy, unemployed woman? Give some thought to that.

Most intelligent, responsable working women who I've come into contact with. And I'm not talking about "millionaires" here, just responsable people making their own way in the world....DO NOT want the MAN buying them. They want givers alright. But they don't want to be bought. Takers want to be bought.....

Your faulty logic confounds “being bought” with “paying for a date.”

So that's how your keeping that Ukranian. Eastern Europeans are notorious for that. You the MAN.

I’m sorry that the Ukrainian chick, who I bet makes more money than you lol, makes you angry.

 

[Yewki]

Why do you think God made men stronger and women prettier? So the guy could go extract resources from the Earth to give to her in return for her affection.

So in summary, paying lots of money for a girl is OK if you can afford it. And men are supposed to give women money (note: resources from the earth) for their affection.

Right. A desperate man and his money are easily separated.

I live with my girlfriend, and I pay for the house and utilities, because it's mine...

... I'm not paying her way or giving her a free ride

She lives there free of charge? Seems one sided. I'd say she was getting a free ride. If you were renting a 2 bedroom apartment by yourself and she moved in would you still pay everything?

 

[Eljuego]

You are the product of a feminized culture. I cannot fault you for this type of thinking.



The message is you and she are not equalitarian equals, you are complementary equals. Male and female have specific gender differences. If you fail to recognize this difference and want to be her complete equal, with everything including the drink bill, 50/50, then be my guest. My women 100% defer to me as a man as I demand it. But at the same time, I recognize that for a feminine woman to 100% submit to me, I must be her complementary equal. This means conquering mountains, not squabbling over petty matters like a drink bill, as an effeminated man.

Irrespectively, though, whether I am out on a date or with a guy friend, I usually pick up the bill. As, women do not have the resources I have. Neither do most men. Most men defer to me as well. But even if I was broke as I have been twice before, I would still pick up 100% of the bill. Herein is why I “will” financial success into my life and other men scratch their heads wondering how it is done. The issue here runs a lot deeper than footing a bill my friend.

Further, why are you dating lazy, unemployed woman? Give some thought to that.


Your faulty logic confounds “being bought” with “paying for a date.”



I’m sorry that the Ukrainian chick, who I bet makes more money than you lol, makes you angry.

Probably a waste of time responding to you as you've actually responded not to what I've said, but you've simply twisted parts of what I wrote to facilitate your argument. What did I expect...

"You are the product of a feminized culture. I cannot fault you for this type of thinking." You've taken what I've said out of context. Try read it again. Hint: The part about masculine and feminine energy.

"The message is you and she are not equalitarian equals, you are complementary equals. Male and female have specific gender differences. If you fail to recognize this difference and want to be her complete equal, with everything including the drink bill, 50/50, then be my guest. My women 100% defer to me as a man as I demand it. But at the same time, I recognize that for a feminine woman to 100% submit to me, I must be her complementary equal. This means conquering mountains, not squabbling over petty matters like a drink bill, as an effeminated man."

No Tarzan. The message is that you equate being a man with the amount of money you spend on a woman. Do you get that? Nobody is talking about equalitarian equals. Yes, well done that's correct, male and female have specific gender diffence. I'm glad you noticed. Again, I'm talking about dating here....why would I date somebody and foot every bill? How would I know if she had genuine interest in me? how would I know if she had genuine respect for me? I wouldn't.

Your faulty logic confounds “being bought” with “paying for a date.”
whatever. tomato, tomato. You're right and everyone else has faulty logic. player

"Further, why are you dating lazy, unemployed woman? Give some thought to that."

where did I write that Batman? do you understand the function of the conditional tense in English? This is why it would be a waste of time responding to you. You can't even read what is written properly.

"I’m sorry that the Ukrainian chick, who I bet makes more money than you lol, makes you angry.[/QUOTE]"

Another example of you twisting things to fit your into your argument. Where did I say that the Ukrainian makes me angry? I said it's clear how you are keeping her. The Eastern Europeans do have a reputation for that....that's a statement devoid of anger.

I'm part of a feminized culture, yet your providing the cash for the feminine imperative. Yeah nice twisted logic. So far locked in you can't see it.

"I bet she makes more money than you, lol" :cheer:

What are you twelve years of age. I see the mentality I'm dealing with.

You the man :box:

 

[Peña]

I like the post by Big Neil. You can't always just go for the zero date bang model unless you are not into human interaction and having a bit of fun. The point the OP made I believe isnt that you have to spend big money to be a man but rather that you should have a good job and focus on your career so that you can spend a bit more (if you want and not to impress the girl but rather to just have fun) and in the process have a more entertaining experience overall without worrying about dollars and cents.

You are saying you have to spend lots of money to have fun? You do not need to spend lots of money to impress a girl on the first date. That is for betas who have no game or looks to get the job done. They need to spend money to try to get laid. You can buy a girl champagne and Caviar. If she does not want to bang your money spent to impress was wasted on nothing.

I live with my girlfriend, and I pay for the house and utilities, because it's mine. But if my girlfriend has something like a car payment or insurance, that's on her. She's welcome to live with me, and share in what I have, but I'm not paying her way or giving her a free ride.

You are paying for the house and utilities for the girlfriend you live with who pays nothing. How is she not getting a free ride? You are paying HER way.

I always pay 100% of the dates.

Sounds beta and posters whine about beta bucks.

This. You can't complain about paying more than 50/50 and then simultaneously whine when all you have left to date are equally "successful" feminist manjaws.

The vast majority of women my age who make what I make are either:

• Ugly
• Have a major personality flaw that turns me off (hypercompetitive, want to be above men, etc)

You want to spend more money on women that do not deserve it? Spending more money on a date will not get you laid.

 

[old married dude]

I've never had a problem getting some action without spending much $ at all.

I prefer the cheap simple dates, they can still be fun...going for walks, ice cream, a few drinks, a museum, etc. In those cases if they aren't into you, or you aren't very into them, you're only out $10 or $20 at most. It beats taking them to a 5 star restaurant and an evening at the opera if it goes bust.

 

[ZTIME]

Extract resources from the Earth to give to her in return for her affection. It's called being generous?

I thought it's called paying for her affection? Whether it's with dollars, food, booze, or minerals extracted from the West Indies, I still think that there is an exchange of semi valuable material for a women's affection.

If I work for my money and a woman works for hers, why does she always get to eat for free? Is it because I should value her more then she values me? Or is it because I should pay for her because I make way more then she does per hour?

I have no problem paying for a dates meal, or a table full of dates for that matter. I feel that based on principal that a date should be ok paying a tab.

You are right though, If you don't make enough income you should always strive to make more and better yourself. I made $100 per hr. once. Then I just kept striving to make more as I grew up. Money....... Who cares? If you have to spend it to get laid.

Generous (of a person) showing a readiness to give more of something, as money or time, than is strictly necessary or expected.... Just throwing it out there. (It's a definition)

On a side note....Guru saw the picture of the girl in the other thread.... Well done!! My guess is that the physique has a little to do with it!

 

[bigneil]

If you spend $100 on a date, you're overdoing it and need to find something more affordable / free and fun.

$100 barely covers dinner for 2, and since I earn $800 per DAY, I can afford it. I just had dinner by myself and it cost $52 with tip for soup, a sandwich and 2 glasses of wine. Like I said, GET A JOB.

 

[ZTIME]

$100 barely covers dinner for 2, and since I earn $800 per DAY, I can afford it. I just had dinner by myself and it cost $52 with tip for soup, a sandwich and 2 glasses of wine. Like I said, GET A JOB.

A 44 year old man putting down a 17yr. old DJ to tout off about how much he makes and spends to get bi*ches.

I'm a Buddhist by nature and truly feel sorry that you had to find a forum which seemingly provides you with the means to flex your thoughts of how well you do in life.

Why not just spend more of that $800 a day you make on your quest to pay for more women's affection.

Oh, and at 44, $800 a day really isn't that great. Might I suggest you seek a higher paying job? retirement is right around the corner.