Thoughts To Consider

[Following_of_Me]

A lot of pick up concepts are ridiculous and should be ignored almost in their entirety. Not to say they don't have the basic idea, but they make everything far, far more complicated than it has to be. In most cases, guys find this site, and they think they've found something magic. Before long, they are practicing routines and going out to clubs. And that's not a "bad" thing, necessarily. But it's not the best way to go about it.

Keep it simple.

Forget about almost everything that doesn't apply directly to women. Prizing, ****y funny, etc...forget it. It's just a big distraction, and trust me, when you're in the "field", knowing all that stuff will almost always make you more nervous trying to know when you should do this and when you should do that.

Having women in your life isn't about stress, or at least doesn't have to be.

I live a happy life. I'm a senior in high school, I work during the summer. I do side jobs in the winter when I have to. I have hobbies I enjoy. I like cars, and I like to work out. I spend a lot of my time with friends, usually goin out, sometimes just staying in and hanging out. My group of friends gets bigger everytime I go out, cause I meet new people through the old ones.

I meet my share of girls. And when I find one I'm interested in, I get her.

How? Not with canned routines, but by being myself and not lying about who I am.

I hang out with girls and I don't make any apologies for who I am. I get comments from girls all the time like "you're so ****y" "wow you're a jerk" (never in an offended way though), "you're really confident", etc. I take compliments with either a thanks or an "I know". Whichever I feel like.

And when I hang out with girls, we are doing something interesting, and that's where I get them into me. My personality draws them in, and my actions keep them around.

These actions are simple as well.

I put my arm around girls for starters, best at movies or other sit-down situations, otherwise holding hands is much better. I basically have concluded that if a girl will hold my hand, she'll probably kiss me. So I make the move at the end of a good night, usually on my second or third time seeing this girl (sometimes the first, but not usually...I usually like to get to know people and get numbers the first night). I like to tell a girl to give me a kiss. Most of them will just move in for it once you say that.

Otherwise, I'll just wait till I'm really close with a girl, cuddling, and move in for a kiss. I barely get rejected, because I make sure I make the move sooner rather than later.

So what's the moral of this story?

Be yourself. Make the move. Don't think so much.

It's that simple. Don't be the nervous guy trying to be someone he isn't. And more importantly, don't be the guy who waits three months till he grows a pair and decides he's going to ask a girl if he can have a hug and maybe even a kiss. No. Know what you want, and go after it. Rejections sting, but they will be far, far less frequent if you make the move at the right time and not months later. Trust me.

And lastly, please don't read so much into these things. It's just about enjoying yourself and being confident. Anyone who tells you that you have to be anything more than that is just confusing you for no reason. If you spend your life thinking about what every little thing means, instead of thinking less and acting more, you'll be missing out on a lot.

Just something to consider. Take it or leave it.

 

[TheSplat]

I'm a senior in high school

I was going to rebuke almost everything on here....but that quote says it all.

 

[Following_of_Me]

Feel free to explain how anything I've said isn't true.

 

[rushing dude 123]

Dude this is just like a sport sure u can just keep running with that ball but what happens when u keep getting slammed down again and again u create a plan to get past that obstacle. Every obstacle u can think of is posted on this website and its our jobs to help eachother to overcome these. before most people entered this site we was not all banging chicks left to right, some of us had never even spoken to girls.

But dude u r totally right, but need to keep a open mind if u can understand both worlds u can take the strengths of both. this material is here to guide u when ur stuck or maybe have problems starting things and may need some training wheels to begin with. I don't go out there memorising every routine in the world or every approach, but i understand what this sites telling me, rather than memorise it, so i can make something of my own up with the same concept. we r here to learn the meaning not the words. like in science, sure someone can remember e= mc^2, but unless it was perfectlly set out in front of u like that, u would have no idea how to solve that riddle unless u understood why. and once u forget it in ur head it becomes usless, but if u understand it, it will never leave u, seeing u can create it in another form.

Example:

Guy: Just wanted to talk to u don't think i am going to sweep u off ur feet, I get shy around cute girls.
HB: smiles lol u don't seem shy to me

Average guy

Average guy: (great it worked this line is awesome i will use it again and again....ummmmm now what..) how r u....?
HB: ok u....

DJ

DJ: ( ok i c why it worked, basically because i lowered her expectations and I am obviously not shy it had the total opposite effect of trying to impress and b arrogant whilst showing my interest at the same time awesome....i will roll with this) yeh look my hands shaking *shakes hand fakely*

HB: liar i saw u chatting to 12 other women before me

DJ: o no that couldn't of been me i am to scared to talk to women, must of been my awesome handsome twin brother....he gets all the girls....
HB: lol



If u can understand that u own the material rather than let it own u, u will improve so much faster than some other guy just trying to strike lucky with the perfect approach line or some guy who just continues to get slammed into that ground with that ball not understanding the pattern. But apart of that its in our genes and we r born for this, this site just gives us a push in the right direction and helps us progress maybe a bit more faster even.

 

[TheSplat]

Feel free to explain how anything I've said isn't true.

exhibit A: Let's say you're 22 and just graduated college. Obviously, high school is over and the school social networks (which are cake to work, btw) are done. You move to a city where you don't know a SOUL. So you go out, feeling out the city, and see a two set of hb9's. What's your opener? Oh yeah, you don't have one, because pick up concepts are "ridiculous."

exhibit B: Somehow you meet a nice girl that you're interested in. You have trouble w/ the conversation, because you're not ****y/funny and can't build rapport. two pick up fundamentals.

exhibit C: You manage to get her number, but don't know how long to wait to call. Or text...what do you do now? Do you set up a lunch (friends zone) date or a dinner date. Do you pay, does she pay? Do you kiss her at the end of the night.

It's not necessarily techniques that get you from point A to point B, but just being able to do things the right way vs. the wrong/uninformed way.

 

[gnōthiseauton]

I was going to rebuke almost everything on here....but that quote says it all.

:crackup:

I'm glad someone picked that quote out.

 

[Ollie]

Well your post is true in YOUR reality. But not in everyone's. It's cool that you're confident and do well with the ladies...but the point of this and similar forums is not to take guys like you who already have their sh!t together and feed them stuff to improve what already works for them or to say that they're wrong and should try something else, it's to take the shy guy or the guy that freezes and has no idea what to say while talking to a girl or the guy with little confidence who thinks that hot girls only date NFL stars and let them know some things they can do to improve their social status.

Making a blanket statement like all you have to do is enjoy yourself and be confident makes it sound so simple, but to some people, being confident is the hardest thing in the world. So they come here and learn tips of the trade so to speak, since having a game plan gives them the confidence they need. The other guy was right though, the game definitely changes after high school and gets much much more complex. It's a whole different world out there.

 

[Following_of_Me]

exhibit A: Let's say you're 22 and just graduated college. Obviously, high school is over and the school social networks (which are cake to work, btw) are done. You move to a city where you don't know a SOUL. So you go out, feeling out the city, and see a two set of hb9's. What's your opener? Oh yeah, you don't have one, because pick up concepts are "ridiculous."

exhibit B: Somehow you meet a nice girl that you're interested in. You have trouble w/ the conversation, because you're not ****y/funny and can't build rapport. two pick up fundamentals.

exhibit C: You manage to get her number, but don't know how long to wait to call. Or text...what do you do now? Do you set up a lunch (friends zone) date or a dinner date. Do you pay, does she pay? Do you kiss her at the end of the night.

It's not necessarily techniques that get you from point A to point B, but just being able to do things the right way vs. the wrong/uninformed way.

Glad you gave me some feed back here. Maybe I've been misunderstood, but most of the girls I've dated don't go to my school. Some of them are in college, most of them go to other high schools, a few I met out of town where I only knew a few people (and didn't know the girls), and a few out of state where I knew literally nobody.

Note, I'm not saying the concepts themselves are bad, even if that's how it sounded. I am pointing out that they tend to over complicate matters. The ideas themselves are good, it's the presentation that isn't.

In a lot of cases, guys don't even realize they've been stuff like this naturally for a long time. I definitely think some of the ideas here are important and things all men should know. It's stuff I've preached to my friends for years. I just think it's not good in bulk, and that's the point I'm trying to reach here. That the most important part of this is to enjoy yourself, and get experience in the process.

And unfortunately for that idea, a lot of the people on this forum I've noticed take the ideas more than literally. They take what should be loose concepts with much room for improvising, and turn it into a strict blue print that can only be done if followed perfectly. I just read a few posts that made me want to post this, and hopefully open a few eyes to a better way. A way that allows you to branch out, and be creative in the way you deal with both life and women.

All guys should know you have to be ****y, but not arrogant. They should know that girls aren't all there is to life, and they should know not to worship a woman or be "fake nice" (as in nice to her because they think that's what she wants them to be). I have no problem with this, in fact, it's good somebody is finally saying it.

But guys should also be aware that these are just concepts, not to be taken so literally that they should constantly be worried about if something is a "**** test" (this is one idea that has confused too many men on this forum), or to constantly be trying to analyze a situation with relation to a concept on this or any other site.