Thoughts on pursuing the woman...

[edger]

I'm curious just as Badsnake. How much success have you had with this mindset of "do not call initially"?

Badsnake, The Bat, wow, that means tracking down all my years since 2000, when my interest in seeking women really blossomed(don't get the wrong idea, that wasn't my first woman experience that year, I've had girlfriends since I'm 11, but I'm only counting my early adult life). It's hard to say, I'd really have to dig deep, deep within my brain to figure that one out, because so many yrs have gone by. If I can remember every chick, I'll get back to you guys.

 

[edger]

This is the Scarcity Mindset.

I turn down MANY hot women by not pursuing them after the first date. A matter of fact, the woman I am now exclusive with mentioned she has a hard time developing Rapport with me because she felt I wasn't that into her.

Here is a little wake up call. Hot women are more insecure about their looks than average woman. Their lives revolve around Looks and not their intellect thus creating an insecurity based on false value. Most models I have dated were the most insecure women I knew, which also led to their eating disorders.

Your assumption is wrong. I cannot speak for everyone else on this board but I can tell you that one with ABUNDANCE rejects most women, hot or average.

I have NEXTed the majority of women throughout my life only because I have so many others to choose from. This goes with the 80/20 rule. 20% of men attract 80% of women and 80% of men attract 20% of women. If you are part of that 20%, it is only natural to reject more and accept less.

Most women cannot handle REJECTION. After all, their livelihood is in attracting a Great Man. A Woman who fails to attract is as a Man who fails to provide.

Guru1000, one with an abundance of hot women knocking on his door IS NOT going to reject them..he's going to bang them all. What guy in his right mind is going to turn down 20 hot women who wanna get in his pants? If I were in that situation, I'd make it a point to bang EVERY hot woman who wants to get in my pants.

Second, you're wrong that hot women are more insecure with themselves. I've covered this once before. A woman who is being gawked at and drooled over everyday in public, as well as being hit on, is not going to be insecure. How can she be insecure? You perceive it as an insecurity, but you're wrong. They want VALIDATION. They want their ego's fed. Enough ego feeding is never enough for them. They know they're hot, but they still wanna be told so, because their ego's have no limit. That's what it comes down to. Common sense. The more you're drooled over in public, the more you're hit on, the hotter you're gonna think you are, hence you're not going to have insecurity issues.

 

[guru1000]

Guru1000, one with an abundance of hot women knocking on his door IS NOT going to reject them..he's going to bang them all. What guy in his right mind is going to turn down 20 hot women who wanna get in his pants? If I were in that situation, I'd make it a point to bang EVERY hot woman who wants to get in my pants.

Try running a FT business and spinning a few plates and then repeat the above statement. Men with Abundance simply do not have the time to bang every hot girl who comes along.

Men with Abundance have lives filled with goals and accomplishments. Sex is simply the by-product not the goal.

I personally do not have time to spin 20 plates, so I would NEXT 17 of them and keep the best three.

When you make it a point to BANG every hot girl, you are operating from a Scarcity Mindset.

When you are in Abundance, you CHOOSE only the very best compatible candidates.

Second, you're wrong that hot women are more insecure with themselves. I've covered this once before. A woman who is being gawked at and drooled over everyday in public, as well as being hit on, is not going to be insecure. How can she be insecure? You perceive it as an insecurity, but you're wrong. They want VALIDATION. They want their ego's fed. Enough ego feeding is never enough for them. They know they're hot, but they still wanna be told so, because their ego's have no limit. That's what it comes down to. Common sense. The more you're drooled over in public, the more you're hit on, the hotter you're gonna think you are, hence you're not going to have insecurity issues.

Absolute hogwash.

Never fool yourself to believe that beautiful women are not insecure. Do not mistake EGO with insecurity.

Many models have eating disorders that stem from their insecurities.

I do not want to put you out there but you certainly have not gone out with your share of Hot Women, to state the above. I have been in two LTR's and many non exclusive relationships with models and they were by far the worst relationships to engage in for reasons of insecurity.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Edger, I agree with exchanging numbers with women and part of what you are saying, I think you just need to think about this a little differently.

Women drop hints, throw out "feelers" when they are interested...they open the door, however you as a man have to walk through that door. You need to take action.

That last few women I've gone on dates with, I've exchanged phone numbers with them.

The reason I do this is because I never exchange numbers with a woman I never intend to call.

So, when I call, my number shows up on her phone anyhow, so she's going to get it anyway.

Secondly, I've noticed a pattern. If a woman has a high initial IL in me, she usually sends me a text message the next day or so. A little how are you? type message.

This tells me two things. She has a high IL. She's sending out a feeler, seeing if I'm for real or not and haven't forgotten about her. She's "opening that door".

Now I don't text. So, I take action and CALL her.

Every single time I've been texted after exchanging numbers with a woman, I've met her in person again after calling her...ie, the flake rate has been zero because she is showing her high IL by taking a passive approach, and texting me.

Hope this helps. Women who are interested in you will make pursuing them very easy.

EDIT: Don't mean to go off on a tangent about texting. However, I personally think texting is very submissive, passive..and men should never text. Men call..then see her in person.

 

[Nelford]

Some here will say, you as the guy should call her first after meeting her, that it's not "natural" for the woman to call you. But think about it for a second. If it is unnatural for women to pursue men, then why do we see loads of women pursuing musicians, loads of women pursuing athletes, actors, etc. etc.?

I never "pursue" women. I may cold-approach, but that's as far as I'll go. Upon meeting them, I'll say exactly this, "we'll exchange numbers", where most of the time she'll get mine and I'll get hers. I try to leave the ball in her court and see if she calls. The way I see it is, if you call(pursue), it reduces your "prize" value. Right?, it's important we always carry ourselves as the prize, not them as a prize. Sounds sensible to me. If a woman really wants to get in your pants, she will call.

I always give my number to the girl. If she calls she is interested.

 

[edger]

Try running a FT business and spinning a few plates and then repeat the above statement. Men with Abundance simply do not have the time to bang every hot girl who comes along.

Men with Abundance have lives filled with goals and accomplishments. Sex is simply the by-product not the goal.

I personally do not have time to spin 20 plates, so I would NEXT 17 of them and keep the best three.

When you make it a point to BANG every hot girl, you are operating from a Scarcity Mindset.

When you are in Abundance, you CHOOSE only the very best compatible candidates.

Come on, no matter how "busy" a guy is, he still can find the time to bang 20 hot women. He may not be able to do it all in one week, but he can do it. He can eventually get around to banging them all. Very easy.

Absolute hogwash.

Never fool yourself to believe that beautiful women are not insecure. Do not mistake EGO with insecurity.

Many models have eating disorders that stem from their insecurities.

I do not want to put you out there but you certainly have not gone out with your share of Hot Women, to state the above. I have been in two LTR's and many non exclusive relationships with models and they were by far the worst relationships to engage in for reasons of insecurity.

You do hear of women with eating disorders. They feel like they never look "slim" enough. But that's a small percentage of women we're talking about. Think about it, how many emmaciatedly skinny women do you see out there in public? I know I don't see many. Most hot women I see have bodies that are just right.

You're right, I haven't been with many hot women(I'm talking being with them exclusively or having them as f*ck buddies). Truth be told, I've never had a hot f*ck buddy, but nor have I had an ugly one either. And I've only been "exclusive" with 3 hot chicks(could've been exclusive with a fourth, but I didn't want it) since high school to present. And as far as one-nighters go, I'll say I've had a fair amount of one-nighters with hot women. But out of my 3 hot ex-girlfriends, only one would bash herself about her looks. AND the ONLY reason she'd do that was because I'd tell her she shouldn't brag about herself. Yeah, my most recent ex-girlfriend would always talk about how HOT she was. And she was right, she was f*ckin' hot(god do I miss f*cking her), but as soon as she'd start talking about herself that way, I'd cut her down, because it would piss me the f*ck off. Yeah I'm a good-looking guy too, but did I ever brag to her constantly about how good-looking I am? No. So anyway, whenever I'd put her in her place for bragging, she'd pout or start crying about how she thought she wasn't hot. She would take "me putting her in her place", for not thinking she was hot. With my ex, I would never pedestalize her for her looks nor compliment her. So i'm sure she took that into consideration as well for bashing herself.

 

[edger]

UPDATE:

The hot 20 yr old that I exchanged numbers with CALLED ME tonight..12 days after after exchanging numbers...so there ya go. I'll DRINK to that. Another chick out there who'll be the FIRST one to call.

To Badsnake and The Bat(Guru1000, you hear that too?):

I've been trying to remember what my sucess rate has been with women calling FIRST after we've met, and from what I can remember, most of the time when I've exchanged numbers with hotties(them giving their number and I giving mine)if I've never called them, they've ended up calling ME. And that's how it should be. F*ck them, they get enough pedestalization and are put into the "prize" category enough. Men need to stand up to it and show women who the f*ckin' real prizes are. I AIN'T going to be one of those guys who puts them in the "prize" category.

I don't bow down to women, they bow down to me.