Thoughts on chauvinism

[Colossus]

My little Craigslist venture got me thinking about the context of chauvinism in mainstream society.

I noticed I got two types of responses:

1. Positive replies where the woman ticked off her 'qualifications', intrigued with the forwardness and snarky tone of the ad

2. Vile, cutting responses where the woman proclaimed that i was a selfish, misogynistic oaf who would be lonely for the duration of my life (seriously).

There wasnt much middle ground. In reality--and we all know this is true--if i were to reverse the context of that ad and cast it as a woman seeking a qualified man, the response would be quite different.
Something seen as confident and 'empowered' for a woman, when reversed, is often seen as horribly chauvinistic for a man.

What amazes me is the degree of judgmentalism and viciousness that some women harbor when confronted with apparent chauvinism. All of a sudden they know everything about your character, and how your life will end up because you 'think you are better than them'. It is incredibly threatening to them.

For those of you who believe in the Bible, There are clearly defined roles for men and women, in the New Testament nonetheless. If you read the Bible carefully and dont misconstrue the context, you can see that God designed woman for man, not man for woman. What i find disturbing is that even many self-proclaimed Christian women dont accept the crystal clear explaination of the natural order, and the roles we were designed for. The core of feminism is based on the belief that there is no distinction between the intrinsic capacity for leadership, work, or in the gender roles of man and woman. They cant accept what they were designed for. In reality their rebellion is not against men, it is against God.

I know many of you believe in evolution, and i do not want to start a theological debate or convince anyone of my own views. But we can all agree here on the natural order of things. We can also agree that there is a fair amount of chauvinistic overtones on this site and others. Radical male chauvinism is no better than liberal feminism. Each philosophy promotes the belief that one sex is inherently better than the other, which is a primitive point of view. There is such a prevalence of the competitive, "mine's bigger than yours" mentality. What I find disturbing is that the line between positive masculinity and chauvinism is becoming increasingly blurred in mainstream conciousness.

I think the solution is for each of us to live as an unapologetic, self-sufficient Man; one who loves and respects women but does not submit to them. I believe MEN need to take individual accountability for the unnatural gender roles that are being assumed. We must stop blaming women, and take responsibility for our OWN lives and our OWN roles at work, in the home, in church, etc.


Thoughts?

 

[ketostix]

My thoughts are women have all the advantages now(first the sexual advantages and now economic) and if they so much run acrossed an individual man who would dare to so much as assert equality, many of them will try to eliminate him basically.

I think it makes little difference as an individual in the grand scheme of things if you blame women or not. They're going to do what they want to do and can get away with. I think it all comes down to that you have to weed through a lot of girls because some are better than other, or at least some are better towards you than others, i.e. if she's attracted to you then she subjectively interprets your attitude and beliefs positively. See that's the problem, women have no objectivety, real sense of fairness or right and wrong. It's all about opportunities to them.

I never thought much about that Craigslist approach. As you alluded to, you have to walk a tight rope balancing between not being seen as "chauvanistic" by women but not a total AFC pushover either.

 

[iqqi]

There wasnt much middle ground. In reality--and we all know this is true--if i were to reverse the context of that ad and cast it as a woman seeking a qualified man, the response would be quite different.
Something seen as confident and 'empowered' for a woman, when reversed, is often seen as horribly chauvinistic for a man.

You all know everything, I swear.

If you really want to find out the truth, why don't you DO it? Why don't you guys post an ad as a woman, and keep it on the same lines as your man ads, and tell us what happens.

 

[Mr. Me]

^^^ In other words, be like a troll? Post in a forum designed for the opposite gender? Hmmm, that's an idea.

 

[iqqi]

I am pretty sure that isn't the definition of a troll. In either cases. Are you old enough to be posting here??

 

[frivolousz21]

I think the solution is for each of us to live as an unapologetic, self-sufficient Man; one who loves and respects women but does not submit to them.

you come off as very relgious but not as the typical religious male.

99 percent of men Ive ever met who go to church every sunday are the biggest AFCs on earth.

case in point...my X's parents always pondered why there sweet little church angel..would go on a date or date one of there guys from church circles or a diff church or whatever. She went on a date with atleast 30 guys from age 16 to 20 and nothing lasted over a month.

Within 2 to 3 weeks of being with me..she was falling in love.

granted I had the help of the dj bible and principles..to achieve this..but my overall ****y/confidence attitude was platinum compared to being with overly nice church guys.

the reason it didnt last was I was way to extreme on the other end for someone like her..but I was the man who got her juices flowing.

its so evident her sister bought a book called somethine like:

where are the masculine men of god.

I do not know much about the bible..but it seems these guys sure are not following what it tells them to do.

on the other hand..the natural evolution of man..shows that men are inclined to run in packs with other males..and are genetically predisposed to spend the majority of there time with men and not women.

maybe thats why so many men are miserable in ltrs.

I'm not sure.

but I do know the best marriages I see are the ones where both parties especially the male gets much freedom to live his life as long as he doenst abandon his responsibilities.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

You all know everything, I swear.

And you're angry because we ask questions that aren't in your best interest that we find answers to.

 

[iqqi]

And you're angry because we ask questions that aren't in your best interest that we find answers to.

yeah... I'm doomed!!!

 

[iqqi]

And you're angry because we ask questions that aren't in your best interest that we find answers to.

yeah... I'm doomed!!!

 

[ketostix]

You all know everything, I swear.

If you really want to find out the truth, why don't you DO it? Why don't you guys post an ad as a woman, and keep it on the same lines as your man ads, and tell us what happens.

Man, are you really this stupid? You think some of us haven't seen hundreds and maybe even thousands of girls with "b!tchy" ads being sucked up to by droves of guy? And do you really think none of us have ever created a fake female profile just to see what kind of response a "girl" would get?

Also isn't ironic how you epitomize the very point in this thread of women being intolerate of men trying to assert their power.

 

[iqqi]

Yes I am really that stupid. I don't think you have seen hundreds maybe thousands of girls with ads and their results... how would you know who is responding?

And no I don't think a lot of you HAVE put up a fake female profile, because if you did, I would think you'd post that too, in the thread going on right now.

I am THAT stupid.

 

[ketostix]

Yes you are that stupid.

 

[joekerr31]

My little Craigslist venture got me thinking about the context of chauvinism in mainstream society.

I noticed I got two types of responses:

1. Positive replies where the woman ticked off her 'qualifications', intrigued with the forwardness and snarky tone of the ad

2. Vile, cutting responses where the woman proclaimed that i was a selfish, misogynistic oaf who would be lonely for the duration of my life (seriously).

to be honest, the ones who were interested were likely not so much interested by the tone of the ad but rather by the whole 'doctor' part of it - they are gold diggers. they are probably thinking 'what a pr*ck. but he's going to be a doctor and rich. and pr*cks usually spend all their money on a trophy wife. so i shoudl take this guy for what i can and be a trophy wife b*tch. ahhh the life."

try running the ad again but this time talk about how your ambition is to be a garbage man. 99.99% of the responses will be negative calling you a cave man.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

If you really want to find out the truth, why don't you DO it? Why don't you guys post an ad as a woman, and keep it on the same lines as your man ads, and tell us what happens.

Intersting that IQQI should so concerned about "playing" a different gender role annonymously online. Experience perhaps?

 

[iqqi]

The OP is the one expressing interest in the differences of results. I merely suggest he try it instead of speculating.

All you cats do is sit around and speculate... and b!tch and moan and think you are being conspired against. That is just really lame. "I bet if it was a woman, she'd get tons of responses from great men who think she is great..." blah blah mofo'n blah. Why don't you just stfu, and see for yourself??

Or would that take all the "fun" out of sitting here on this forum and speculating about how women have it easy and men are victims of the world?

 

[Colossus]

The OP is the one expressing interest in the differences of results. I merely suggest he try it instead of speculating.

All you cats do is sit around and speculate... and b!tch and moan and think you are being conspired against. That is just really lame. "I bet if it was a woman, she'd get tons of responses from great men who think she is great..." blah blah mofo'n blah. Why don't you just stfu, and see for yourself??

Or would that take all the "fun" out of sitting here on this forum and speculating about how women have it easy and men are victims of the world?

Actually, i never expressed any interest, per se, in the difference of results. I merely stated that if an identical approach were made by the opposite sex, the results would be quite different. I know this because i used it in mine, and have seen it in others. So yes, i guess i know everything.

For what it's worth, I purposely crafted the ad to come off as somewhat of a pr!ck. I also purposely used qualification criteria from some "b!tchy" personals ads posted on Craigslist. Yes, i pulled actual bullet lists from women-for-men ads and re-worded them to reflect the opposite sex. Any personals ad with that type of tone is going to get flamed, male or female. The subject of my post was about how masculine self-interest is often seen as chauvinism, whereas feminine self-interest is applauded and encouraged. These are GENERALIZATIONS. Almost everything said on this site is a generalization to some degree. Some of you just cant seem to wrap your minds around the forest-through-the-trees concept.

IQQI, in my estimation you contribute nothing to this forum other than contention and banter. Its what you thrive on. If someone is not irked, offended, or rebutting your posts, you move on to another thread where someone does. So i guess you got your wish here.

I am all about positive female contribution to this forum. PENKITTEN is a sterling example, among a few others.

 

[Colossus]

to be honest, the ones who were interested were likely not so much interested by the tone of the ad but rather by the whole 'doctor' part of it - they are gold diggers. they are probably thinking 'what a pr*ck. but he's going to be a doctor and rich. and pr*cks usually spend all their money on a trophy wife. so i shoudl take this guy for what i can and be a trophy wife b*tch. ahhh the life."

try running the ad again but this time talk about how your ambition is to be a garbage man. 99.99% of the responses will be negative calling you a cave man.

There is probably some truth to this. Online dating really comes down to looks and projection.

On a side note, I actually did meet one of my responders; she drove like an hour and a half to come see me. But alas, i was decieved by the dreaded Myspace Angles!! She looked nothing like her photos. Not that i was surprised, but i expected her to be at least fairly cute. Not so...she was a little chunky, and to top it off SHE BROUGHT HER ANKLE-BITER DOG!! Who does that?!? Too much, man. A little yapping dog running around my apt where dogs arent aloud, at 2 am!


One for the books, i guess.

 

[iqqi]

Actually, i never expressed any interest, per se, in the difference of results. I merely stated that if an identical approach were made by the opposite sex, the results would be quite different. I know this because i used it in mine, and have seen it in others. So yes, i guess i know everything.

For what it's worth, I purposely crafted the ad to come off as somewhat of a pr!ck. I also purposely used qualification criteria from some "b!tchy" personals ads posted on Craigslist. Yes, i pulled actual bullet lists from women-for-men ads and re-worded them to reflect the opposite sex. Any personals ad with that type of tone is going to get flamed, male or female. The subject of my post was about how masculine self-interest is often seen as chauvinism, whereas feminine self-interest is applauded and encouraged. These are GENERALIZATIONS. Almost everything said on this site is a generalization to some degree. Some of you just cant seem to wrap your minds around the forest-through-the-trees concept.

My point is, that if a woman posted the same ad, she'd probably get the same results you are getting. Some interest, and some flaming hate mail.

You said in your OP that if it were a woman, she'd get different results. She's be seen as "empowered". That conflicts with what you just said above in bold. Which is it?

I am telling you it is probably what you said, in bold. You can't say that a woman would be treated differently, unless you try it.

And for whatever it matters, I don't really care if you "get anything" from my contributions on this forum. I've said it more than once that the current roster of posters on this forum lately SUCK, so obviously I feel the same way about most of you.

I will keep it at that, in regards to my opinions of some of you, because I think there should be less hate in 08.

 

[iqqi]

Iqqi, I have to say that I think she would get mostly interest. There are a lot of lame guys out there without any ballz. I think men are pretty much in the habit of qualifying themselves and would almost see it as normal.

Granted I could be wrong, it's just my opinion.

I appreciate a dissenting opinion that isn't so dramatically anti-iqqi!

I do disagree, however.

I think that women are just as used to pompous as$holes in real life, as men are used to uptight pedestal b!tches in real life. I think that a woman would indeed get the same results as the men here were getting. Or less results period, as most men who know how to interact with women won't be on craigslist scouting ads.

 

[AFC Savior]

do i need to remind sosuave that WOMEN NEED TO BE BANNED

they ruin the balance of this don juan site - we dont need any women on here, they are useless

dont make me provide examples!!!!