This will be unpopular, but has anyone tired stopping this pick up stuff?

[DanelMadr]

well I did gain something, I'm no longer afraid of making a move with women. Before i'd get stressed out over kissing a girl. I think my problem is that I care too much about succeeding. That's why I thought of getting away for a bit.

Yeah, why not. Take some time off, clear your head. Actually it helps to step aside for a while. I think you can take a rest as a champion not as defeated one, because you are clearly not.

Most of the pick up stuff is about ones ego. Getting rid of the ego (the small part of yourself that wants to impress your parents or whoever) and replacing it with clear head and a pair of balls is the name of the game.

Good luck. Don't take long - don't procrastinate ;-)

 

[DanelMadr]

As i reach into my encyclopedia knowledge of underground rap lyrics, i pull out this:


"Sometimes i reflect, sit, and wish that i was ignorant
Unaware of the poison, so i could enjoy sipping it"

I really feel that way sometimes... But with me - it's not about pick-up; it's way deeper than pickup...

Example:
I was just talking to a girl i have sex with about once a month. I wouldn't even consider us FBs.

She was telling me about how she was talking to a guy (a guy she called a player), they hung out a few times, some drama happened (another girl tried to fight her over him,) the guy took the other girls side, and she goes on to tell me how much she hates him now and how pissed off she is that the guys taking this other girls side. All this while claiming to me that they're only friends, and never messed around.

If i were dumb to male-female dynamics - i would probably believe her; maybe even say "yeah, you learned your lesson for hanging out with a guy like that". (even though i am a guy like that, im just open about it; whereas he lies about everything lol)...

But with my knowledge of women and how they operate - i heard about 20 holes in her story. Enough to make me say to her, "you know you have no reason to lie to me right? we're not anything more than friends who fvck sometimes."

Even still, she continued on "I don't have feelings for him" and "i never messed around with him"

My mind goes even deeper into it - and im thinking "if this guy is really good with women - he'll know that he can easily turn that anger into a better emotion with a few well placed words to her"

Then im like "why the hell am i analyzing this?!?!??!" - i have no reason too... but my mind just does it.... Same thing when i am over my parents house and they get into an argument.... or listening to a friend complain about his relationship... or at a cookout and hear a woman tell a man what to do.


And i really wish sometimes that i didn't see things so clearly. It's scary sometimes how clear everything appears....

I hate matrix analogies.... But sometimes i don't feel like fighting the war for the underground... I just wish i could sip my poison in peace with a smile....

But unlike pickup - once you learn about relationship management, and once your exposed to the sickness of most women - you can't really just forget it.... i will see signs until im too old to recognize them....

--

But anyway, even with all this - i still wouldn't want to go back to the way i was for the first 19-20 years of my life.

I know what you mean. And let me tell you this: Don't think too much. Just switch off. Is it the blue pill? I guess not but it helps. After all even if you know a lot, you still know jack shyt.

Friends who are ready for help/advice will ask for it on their own terms. It is interesting that they are not ashamed watching porn all day or pretending to love their nagging gf but feel ashamed to admit a mistake or incompetence.

Parents and their problems....you don't want to go there. Don't. They don't hear you. No ones a prophet in his own village.

I still believe in humanity. I'm not angry with stupid girls I feel sort of sorry for them or I don't care about them. Now I know how they operate I can appreciate more the ones who are not so spoiled and stupid.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Did sosuave just get nexted?

To the OP, you don't sound very happy with life in general. That is no fun. Go and find something about life that makes you happy. When you do that, you will find yourself having fun. Then you will start noticing women who are attracted to you. All of this happens because emotions are contagious. Women sense all of your negativity, which works against you, and then reinforces that negativity. fwiw, as poorly as it goes when things are going badly, it works the same way in the other direction. When you start having success, it will come in an avalanche. Go and find happiness with your life, purpose, conviction, and self-esteem, and women will want to share those emotions.

 

[moneyisking]

As i reach into my encyclopedia knowledge of underground rap lyrics, i pull out this:


"Sometimes i reflect, sit, and wish that i was ignorant
Unaware of the poison, so i could enjoy sipping it"

I really feel that way sometimes... But with me - it's not about pick-up; it's way deeper than pickup...

Example:
I was just talking to a girl i have sex with about once a month. I wouldn't even consider us FBs.

She was telling me about how she was talking to a guy (a guy she called a player), they hung out a few times, some drama happened (another girl tried to fight her over him,) the guy took the other girls side, and she goes on to tell me how much she hates him now and how pissed off she is that the guys taking this other girls side. All this while claiming to me that they're only friends, and never messed around.

If i were dumb to male-female dynamics - i would probably believe her; maybe even say "yeah, you learned your lesson for hanging out with a guy like that". (even though i am a guy like that, im just open about it; whereas he lies about everything lol)...

But with my knowledge of women and how they operate - i heard about 20 holes in her story. Enough to make me say to her, "you know you have no reason to lie to me right? we're not anything more than friends who fvck sometimes."

Even still, she continued on "I don't have feelings for him" and "i never messed around with him"

My mind goes even deeper into it - and im thinking "if this guy is really good with women - he'll know that he can easily turn that anger into a better emotion with a few well placed words to her"

Then im like "why the hell am i analyzing this?!?!??!" - i have no reason too... but my mind just does it.... Same thing when i am over my parents house and they get into an argument.... or listening to a friend complain about his relationship... or at a cookout and hear a woman tell a man what to do.


And i really wish sometimes that i didn't see things so clearly. It's scary sometimes how clear everything appears....

I hate matrix analogies.... But sometimes i don't feel like fighting the war for the underground... I just wish i could sip my poison in peace with a smile....

But unlike pickup - once you learn about relationship management, and once your exposed to the sickness of most women - you can't really just forget it.... i will see signs until im too old to recognize them....

--

But anyway, even with all this - i still wouldn't want to go back to the way i was for the first 19-20 years of my life.

god dam... that is deep

 

[marinetti]

I've seen a ton of guys quit sarging, cause it's just random talking to women and trying to think of the perfect thing to say that will make her immediately want to sleep with him.

I have also seen men who are seeking to actually improve their lives, become better people than they were, and see success with women as a sign that they have succeeded in becoming greater than the people they initially were. These are the guys who never truly quit, because they have incorporated dating and sex into their characters. These are the truly successful guys.

 

[corrector]

That's right, then you give up and listen to all the female singers on youtube and look at images and just forget about the whole thing.

If you look at the advice here it is just meaningless to someone who can't get anywhere in two years. Like Maxtro, and this guy, this isn't for everyone. People say approach 100 girls like you are some retarded buffoon.
It's like, "Hi, I'm a social retard, do you want to be my friend because I don't have one? Please pity me".

Or, the advice about finding something passionate to do. The guy needs to get laid man -- who cares about being passionate? He also has to be passionate about something that women would find interesting -- suppose he's passionate about playing video games all day or looking at chick flicks? Then he can get friendzoned -- becase sure he's passionate, but the problem is women still do not see him as sexual. Then he's improving his life, being passionate, all this stuff with the sole purpose of getting a girl and is not living an authentic life because the bottom line is he want's a girl.

So, yeah, throw in the towel, start looking at Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Sade, Natasha, Dido youtube videos and forget about pick-up.

 

[Maxtro]

If you look at the advice here it is just meaningless to someone who can't get anywhere in two years. Like Maxtro, and this guy, this isn't for everyone. People say approach 100 girls like you are some retarded buffoon.
It's like, "Hi, I'm a social retard, do you want to be my friend because I don't have one? Please pity me".

At first I thought you were making fun of me but then I reread my earlier posts, and I still think you are, just not as much.

I think sarging is a load of BS. Insta-dates, trying to get numbers of girls I just met, having a date the next day with a girl whom I only talked with for 10 minutes, same night lays. None of that stuff is appealing. All of that stuff is way too fast for me. Of course my normal speed is too slow so I need to find a middle ground.

I'm just going to fallow what Igetit! said and be more obvious/forward in expressing my intent to girls I want to date. That way I'd spend less time per girl, and hopefully also increase my odds of success.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

NEO: "There's no going back now is there?

MORPHEUS: "No. But if you could, would you really want to?"

Was ignorance bliss SCION? No person both frightens and disgusts me more than one who understands truth, but willfully opts for denial. It's not the desire to do so that disgusts me, I understand the desire, it's that there is no going back. Even if you never read another post or blog and regressed back to your old ways, you'll still make the associations, see the signs of what others have analyzed in your periphery, in women's and the world's behaviors and motivations, and you'll be reminded of that truth (or at least the uncomfortable push to get at the truth). You will only get what you've gotten if you keep doing what you've done. There is no going back now.