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[Burroughs]

when the reality is, they the women are a prize in their eyes, because the truth be told, they DON'T' deserve the woman they are looking at. They haven't done anything to deserve that woman and their sub conscious knows it.

Very true..

I did oversimplify, I don't have time for a thesis statement But you're right. Its not strictly a money thing..its a total package thing. But the most critical thing men lack is a level of accomplishment that is clear and tangible...Your father might have the edge over a lot of men...but what about a man with the CONFIDENCE of your father AND who is a public success...unstoppable right.

 

[backbreaker]

you asked a loaded question. Someone always deserves someone, but contary to popular beleif, you get what you deserve.

To better understsand, pook made a post in the DJ bible, crap I can't think of the name of it but he basically says that you chose to be single and that you can get any woman that you want, the only requirement is that you demand the same from yourself. it really is that simple.

Take myself. I could always get women. I just could not always get the women I wanted. Therein was the probelm. I 'd even have good looking women, but my teens were filled (i grew up here) with not getting THAT girl. I wanted to be able to get THAT girl and to get THAT girl, you have to be THAT guy. I was not THAT guy.

I'm 27 years old, I'm in shape, I have a little money, I can dress my ass off, i'm handsome, I'm very well read, I speak 3 languages if you count sign language, I've started two successful companies in 8 years and about to start my third in a few months that will make the first two look like pre school companies. Those are the things that are important to me, and I do them on a daily basis. I DESERVE a woman that is in shape, because damnit I'm in shape. I deserve a woman with a good job or a good career/good credit, because I have those things. I am a guy damnit that a woman should be lucky to be with. That's how I feel.

If I worked at best buy, and I was a tad bit overweight, but still decent looking, if I didn't have any real ambition in life, that does not mean I don't DESERVE a woman, I just dont' deserve the type of woman that I myself deserve if that makes sense.

The best way to get the women you want, is to look at that women and take notes of the traits that that woman has, then work on installing them in yourself. This stuff, is all over the DJ Bible, i'm not telling you anything that hasn't been preached down dozens of times.

This works itself out.There are times when I have for instance, I found something cute about a girl who probably wasn't on my level and kept her around or a woman saw something in me, i can think of 1 in particular, that showed interest in me, but i wasn't on her level. There was one girl in high school when I was a sophomore and she was a junior girl was drop dead fine, and had e very guy at school on her, but she thought i was just too cute and I was smart ,and we dated for a while. that lasted all of 3 weeks, I just couldn't handle the pressure lol. These relationships don't last. A strong relationship can only exist, when you have two people of like pulling power. I can go out and women hit on me. My Girl can go out and guys hit on her. It's a wash. 'There could be no situation where I see my girl getting hit on all the time and she knows, and I know, girls aren't hitting on me. There could be no situation where I go out, and girls are hitting on me and no guys are really showing interest in her, or at least guys she thinks are attractive, because then she would be overcome with jealousy. People generally date what is their level. But the "level" has more to do with the overall package, not just looks. Not just bank account, the whole thing. I consider myself to be a solid 9 if you put everything together. I consider my fiancee to be a solid 8.5-9 if you put it all together, looks, brain, health, common sense lol, the whole thing.

People generally, who can do better, will do better. This is the unspoken rule. A man and a woman for that matter, is only as faithful as their options (chris rock, but so true). I am crazy about my fiancee, but let's be real, the reason i have not cheated on her,is because i have not found anyone better than her, nor will I for me. The day i DID, i have a decision to make. up until now, the thought has not even been broached. If natlie portman (pre baby) came up to me and showered me with attention, i have a real decision to make lol.

people cheat, because they think they deserve better than what they have. It's really that simple, and they perceive the person they are cheating with to be better. I have no wish to **** 10 women at a time for the rest of my life, that's not me. I just want to **** the best of the 10.

 

[backbreaker]

you asked a loaded question. Someone always deserves someone, but contary to popular beleif, you get what you deserve.

To better understsand, pook made a post in the DJ bible, crap I can't think of the name of it but he basically says that you chose to be single and that you can get any woman that you want, the only requirement is that you demand the same from yourself. it really is that simple.

Take myself. I could always get women. I just could not always get the women I wanted. Therein was the probelm. I 'd even have good looking women, but my teens were filled (i grew up here) with not getting THAT girl. I wanted to be able to get THAT girl and to get THAT girl, you have to be THAT guy. I was not THAT guy.

I'm 27 years old, I'm in shape, I have a little money, I can dress my ass off, i'm handsome, I'm very well read, I speak 3 languages if you count sign language, I've started two successful companies in 8 years and about to start my third in a few months that will make the first two look like pre school companies. Those are the things that are important to me, and I do them on a daily basis. I DESERVE a woman that is in shape, because damnit I'm in shape. I deserve a woman with a good job or a good career/good credit, because I have those things. I am a guy damnit that a woman should be lucky to be with. That's how I feel.

If I worked at best buy, and I was a tad bit overweight, but still decent looking, if I didn't have any real ambition in life, that does not mean I don't DESERVE a woman, I just dont' deserve the type of woman that I myself deserve if that makes sense.

The best way to get the women you want, is to look at that women and take notes of the traits that that woman has, then work on installing them in yourself. This stuff, is all over the DJ Bible, i'm not telling you anything that hasn't been preached down dozens of times.

 

[Fuglydude]

you asked a loaded question. Someone always deserves someone, but contary to popular beleif, you get what you deserve.

To better understsand, pook made a post in the DJ bible, crap I can't think of the name of it but he basically says that you chose to be single and that you can get any woman that you want, the only requirement is that you demand the same from yourself. it really is that simple.

Take myself. I could always get women. I just could not always get the women I wanted. Therein was the probelm. I 'd even have good looking women, but my teens were filled (i grew up here) with not getting THAT girl. I wanted to be able to get THAT girl and to get THAT girl, you have to be THAT guy. I was not THAT guy.

I'm 27 years old, I'm in shape, I have a little money, I can dress my ass off, i'm handsome, I'm very well read, I speak 3 languages if you count sign language, I've started two successful companies in 8 years and about to start my third in a few months that will make the first two look like pre school companies. Those are the things that are important to me, and I do them on a daily basis. I DESERVE a woman that is in shape, because damnit I'm in shape. I deserve a woman with a good job or a good career/good credit, because I have those things. I am a guy damnit that a woman should be lucky to be with. That's how I feel.

If I worked at best buy, and I was a tad bit overweight, but still decent looking, if I didn't have any real ambition in life, that does not mean I don't DESERVE a woman, I just dont' deserve the type of woman that I myself deserve if that makes sense.

The best way to get the women you want, is to look at that women and take notes of the traits that that woman has, then work on installing them in yourself. This stuff, is all over the DJ Bible, i'm not telling you anything that hasn't been preached down dozens of times.

Outstanding post man. I couldn't have said it better myself. I think this is what a lot of the guys on the main forum, and even the MM forum miss. The PUA community is too concerned about techniques etc, while missing the main point: to simply become a higher quality man. Its such a simple concept, yet its quite neglected. I think it has to do with the pervading affinity for easy fixes and things that produce instant gratification that totally permeates our society as a whole.

If you're a high quality guy, meeting and hooking up with hot girls really isn't that hard. I spent 3.5 years of my life basically getting paid quite well simply based on my looks, body and ability to perform. Based simply on this fact, I know that DESERVE a female who makes money off of her appearance... therefore, I'd never settle for anything less than a model... my fiance today is a semi-pro model as well as a figure competitor.

People never understand that being the prize requires some serious tenacity, planning, and elbow grease. I didn't pop out of my mommy w/ my current build and education. I had to earn everything through thousands of hours in the gym, studying for hundreds of hours, and becoming the high value guy that I am today. A lot of the times its not an easy road to take, but to me the journey is so much more fun when its full of challenges and corresponding rewards that you earn along the way.

Its better to die than to coast through life w/o trying to be the happiest and the best/most balanced person that you can be.

 

[backbreaker]

Dear Burroughs,
"Lots of folks seem to want the aura of a successful man without putting in the work."I can see your point,but lets be realistic,if a Man has not achieved some significant breakthroughs in his objectives at say 35,he never will....for younger Man,yeah,you have a point,but the risk is that whilst the means justifies the end,the problem is that in getting there you change along the way,the means too often becomes the end..."Gather,ye Rose buds while ye may".

where do some of you guys get this stuff? Harry Truman was an utter failure at everything he ever did until he was 50 years old. Every business he touched went out of business and he was still living with his freaking in laws. At 49. 10 years later he would be president of the united states. Barcley Tagg, the trainer who won the Kentucky Derby with Funny Cide, was a few days away from being bankrupt more than once and teetered on the brink for the majority of his life until funny cide came along.. He did not win his first race as a trainer period until he was 35 (1972) and he didn't win his first BIG race utnil freaking, 2003 (66) (funny cide). Had he believed in your 35 year old philsophy, he would have quit and did something else, but instead he is probably one of the top 2 or 3 horseman in horse racing. Not many better than Mr. Tagg.

It amazes me, how, we keep holding on to these beliefs, the, I need to do something early in life belief, is nothing more than a spinoff of the I have to get a woman before I get too old belief that society has rammed down your throat. Neither could be further from the truth.

 

[zekko]

“Cultivating whatever gave pleasure to my senses was always the chief business of my life; I never found any occupation more important. Feeling that I was born for the sex opposite of mine, I have always loved it and done all that I could to make myself loved by it

From none other than Casanova

I don't think it's quite the same thing, though.
First off, Casanova and Don Juan are two seperate people/characters.
Secondly, it is taught here that you should try to be the best man you can be for yourself primarily. Although this is a site about seducing women, getting women is not supposed to be the primary reason you improve yourself. At least not as taught by this forum.

That's why I say being a "DJ" has come to mean something more here than just being a "Don Juan".

Also, you're a self disciplined guy, and a good model of what this forum is about. If sensual pleasure was your primary concern, I don't think you'd be where you are today.

 

[backbreaker]

while I appreciate the compliment, my (original) self discipline origins are no more noble than anyone else's here. I wanted to get laid by one girl, and to get her, I knew i had to become something I wasn't. Through time however I turned into the person I am today and I lost interest in her, but It's not like I was just born being this noble dude that shun poon or something lol. The irony of it all being once I actually had her basically, I realized she was not worth it all and lost interest lol.

 

[DMEDFISIK]

people cheat, because they think they deserve better than what they have. It's really that simple, and they perceive the person they are cheating with to be better.

Your overall post is good, but this is definitely not true as a general principle.

 

[Blusher]

I have mixed feelings about this.

Dating is NOT a meritocracy.
I coach guys with Phd's, guys with Start-up companies racking up millions, athletic guys... and they thought all along the babes were goin to be part of the package.

They're really disillusionned when realize they were wrong.


They ve been sold the dream that if they work hard, they'll get the girls. But it's not even the case anymore. I see a lot of angry guys that feel it's unfair to be single when you're clever and succesful.

One guy in partcular, a computer analyst for a major investment bank, hated his little brother's slacker flatmate who was collecting dates with hot chicks.

Life's not fair. The guy who gets the great girlfriend isnt always the best guy, the most clever or the richest. It's a different ball and game.

The case of Casanova mentionned higher on this thread is enlighting.

 

[backbreaker]

I have mixed feelings about this.

Dating is NOT a meritocracy.
I coach guys with Phd's, guys with Start-up companies racking up millions, athletic guys... and they thought all along the babes were goin to be part of the package.

They're really disillusioned when realize they were wrong.


They ve been sold the dream that if they work hard, they'll get the girls. But it's not even the case anymore. I see a lot of angry guys that feel it's unfair to be single when you're clever and successful.

And to prove my point about people who cheat believe they deserve better. every guy here asked the same damn question, that I asked when I read the story... "what does the best friend wife look like" lol. While, it doesn't make it right or justify him leaving his wife, it clearly explains the rationale.


There is no magical candyland where guys or women for that matter are showered with great options that are better than what they have at home as a whole, and stay committed to what they have at home. The ones that do out of honors sake are usually pretty miserable and don't know why.

One guy in partcular, a computer analyst for a major investment bank, hated his little brother's slacker flatmate who was collecting dates with hot chicks.

Life's not fair. The guy who gets the great girlfriend isnt always the best guy, the most clever or the richest. It's a different ball and game.

The case of Casanova mentionned higher on this thread is enlighting.

well.. no matter how rich and succesful you are, you have to advertise yourself, you have to get out there. women have a nose for the stuff, but you can't put yourself in gladlock wrap your entire life, which is what too many guys do, it's what I did for a few years, by choice, but when the time came I made sure I had some type of balance. 48 laws of power, court attention at all cost, what is unseen counts for nothing. it doesn't matter how successful you are if no one knows who you are.


Social skills have to be built, or rebuilt, no matter how successful you are. What are women supposed to go to investment banks and hand out flyers looking for men lol? you still got to get out there and play the game. It's just when you hit a certain point, the game should be a little bit easier, the targets should be a little bit higher. Being successful is not the equivlant of the infamous, up down left right a b a b select start ninteno code where you just get to skip all the work. But it is like playing with the game genie where you get power ups and ****.

Your overall post is good, but this is definitely not true as a general principle.

Yes it is.


As I stated, getting the girl is not the end. Actually I didn't say it everyone before me said this but they are right. Look at tony hawk

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/skating_into_arms_of_pal_wife_uwVjcv9sPbJgkBln1vTTGO

dude, dumped his wife, and took his best friends freaking wife. not his girlfriend, his childhood friends, freaking wife. wife. he got the "girl" but that is the most despicable behavior imaginable.

There should be more to this site than just having as much sex as possible with whoever we can. The philosophy should always be to have control over that aspect of our lives.

 

[guru1000]

Something that most men forget...to be the PRIZE you have to get up off your ass and DO SOMETHING and WIN.

If you have to convince yourself that you are the prize without any concrete proof then you're fooling yourself. When you accomplish something of tangible value, build a company, write a spec script that sells for big money, then you are the prize. Then and only then will women will come to you. Until that day its all smoke and mirrors and you will never KEEP a high value woman.

The PRIZE embodies a MAN -- who RESPECTS himself first before he respects others -- thus never compromising himself for a woman, which unquestionably subsumes not succumbing to her frame.

Concrete wealth is great, and I agree that a MAN should focus on himself, namely, striving for his ambitions; however -- it's the MAN -- not his success, that's the focus, and his harem serve only as the contextual by-product of his ambition. Come hell or high-water, 100 million or bankrupt, a MAN is not valued nor defined by his net worth, alternately, he is valued/defined by what he is willing to sell himself for -- and if he refuses to sell himself short/out/cheap, he has just set the mark and standards within himself, and expectations for others, that no man or woman can refute or deny. This MAN is the prize.

 

[Jitterbug]

Don Juan and Casanova were Renaissance Men (this is the type of men I want to become). They were into improving themselves and getting good at everything. They all did the equivalent of hitting the gym in their days, which was likely practicing how to fight with a sword or chopping some woods or other physical demanding work people used to do before we started to sit at our desks all day.

You can have attractive women if you're a loser with nothing worth a damn, and there are examples of that around, sure. It's just easier & more enjoyable if you have your sh1t together.

Don't need to overcomplicate it.