This site is bad for most of us

[Cod3r]

I've been apart of these communities actively for about 1 year and inactively in and out just to help guys out for the last 3 or 4 months...

When I started I couldn't approach a girl, couldn't get the girls I really wanted and even couldn't close a girl that was naturally attracted to me. I found another site (won't disclose) and had my first approaches, got numbers, got my first gf of 2 years and just got alot of experience with women. For the first few weeks and months of course I was like a robot and all fvcked up, but I guarantee right now I won't get outplayed by anyone on these sites let alone in my real life

I don't mean to come down on the guy who originally wrote the thread, but you sound like me when I got frustrated in my progression. Got to the point where you're confused about how to communicate, maybe mixed messages from diff. people and you haven't found YOUR niche in the game, you don't have any type of 'edge' to get you ahead and in front of other guys. Don't blast these sites, I owe my life to guys from sites like this... Not from any real advice but for them getting me off my ass and just getting experience. They gave me a method, I used it found it didn't work for me, and then worked on the base formula and came up with my game.... do the same

Also just to give you a stat that might tickle your fancy, I know of a young man in person who I met off of boards like these and he probably pulls more and better looking females than 90% of guys who aren't famous or ultra rich. He's 18, 5'3 and 140ish lbs... went out with him and he basically uses things taught here and has ultimate success, not his looks the guys just a monster and so I know this stuff works... does it for you ?? I dunno, but it does work for some


-Cod3r

 

[Production6257]

Well here's an example from a reent personal experience for me.

I was at a party a couple weeks ago, and a guy from my dorm let me know that there's a couple hot girls from my hall who had a crush on me. I had hardly even spoken to them at all, but I guess it was a physical attraction/they were attracted to the "mystery" of me because I always kind of keep to myself. Well, this info starts to get to my head because I think about it waay too much. I started thinking "how should I handle this? should I be C&f? Should I keep up with the mysteriousness? Act aloof?" I get so caught up in the intricacies of it that I can't decide what to do and end up blowing it by doing nothing. Now, granted this isn't totally the site's fault, but these freaking theories really get to my head sometimes, and when I talk, I feel robotic. And no, I'm not going to pull one of those "I'm forever leaving this site" threads, but there are times when I wish I had never learned any of these theories.

P.S.- I'm not solely going after sosuave. David DeAngelo and most of these other "PUAs" seem like they're just out to make a buck and are scamming people out of their money.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...I don't mean to come down on the guy who originally wrote the thread, but you sound like me when I got frustrated in my progression. Got to the point where you're confused about how to communicate, maybe mixed messages from diff. people and you haven't found YOUR niche in the game, you don't have any type of 'edge' to get you ahead and in front of other guys. Don't blast these sites, I owe my life to guys from sites like this... Not from any real advice but for them getting me off my ass and just getting experience. They gave me a method, I used it found it didn't work for me, and then worked on the base formula and came up with my game....

It's nice to see when people get it.

 

[rocky_mtn]

this site is only bad for people who sit in front of their computer and read crap about meeting women.

This site is good for people who go out and have fun and need a little help or boost to go up and talk to the pretty girls hanging out.

 

[DJinTraining06]

This site is awesome. Where else can us guys talk about our girl probs, questions, tips. Nobody wants to listen a man whine, complain, vent etc.

Women get to do it all day long to their friends. Least we got sosuave.

 

[Delta]

he says bad for "us" but he was never a part of "us"... did he just drop by to say we shouldn't exist?

delta

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

he says bad for "us" but he was never a part of "us"... did he just drop by to say we shouldn't exist?

delta

Good point. There is something to be said about a community that's been together for a long time.

 

[Production6257]

I kind of wish that I made the title of this thread "these sites" because most of you think that I am placing the blame solely on sosuave and no, I haven't been a member for very long. But I have been going around to all different sites like these since I found another site similar to this one a couple years ago. Also, I have been visiting sosuave for probably almost two years now but didn't register to the forums until this past August. I can only speak from personal experience, and from my experience it has made me think way too much about stupid crap that doesn't really matter. An examlple is how I am just walking past a hot girl on the street. I worry so much about how my body language is, making the perfect amount of eye contact, etc. and it's just so pointless to think about this stuff so much. I know that I am not alone just by reading the threads. There are people that have been here for years and made thousands of posts, who are still asking the same questions. I think these sites do have some good insights, but it is also just another excuse not to go out and do anything because "I haven't learned enough yet".

 

[nvictor]

Hammahamma, let me tell you why I'm here. I'm here to make friends, to be part of a community and share knowledge. If a DJ is in my town, we can phone, we can go together sarge (pick up). Then the night, we can post REPORT from what we've learned. This record help prevent bad things to happen again...

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

... I think these sites do have some good insights, but it is also just another excuse not to go out and do anything because "I haven't learned enough yet".

So how are these sites keeping you from from going out to practice and gaining experience?

 

[Raikojo17]

I haven't been on this site for a few weeks, mostly due to the fact that it has begun to annoy the hell out of me. I look around, and all I see are these stupid tecniques and "theories" that aren't being used by anybody. It is the nerdiest thing; there's all these abbreviations (LTR, HB7, FR, PUA, AFC, and what seems like hundreds of others), and EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY MEAN!!! It's like some kind of joke or something. And I'm not excluding myself from this group at all, because I also believed everything that I read. I bought that stupid David Deangelo book. I know what those stupid abbreviations stand for. This site has took all of the fun out of being social and turned it into a job of trying to score points by being "****y and funny" and all that crap. Why can't we just be ourselves? How about just going out to a party to have a good time, instead of constantly perusing the crowd for the next "HB" that you can try your ridiculous internet DJ tactics? Maybe instead of being human boners all the time, we can just talk to a girl for the sake of getting to know her and meeting a new person. It's just so dumb, and I know personally, it really got into my head to the point where instead of having fun, I'm worried about what smooth thing to say next, and of course it always comes across as a scripted, doosh-bag pick-up attempt.

thanks for totally missin the point dumbass. way to go. would u by chance be an "AFC", u kno, one of those guys who has no luck with wat they do so then they blame every f*ckin problem they have on the people who do it better. shut the f*ck up cuz u dont even kno wat the f*ck ur talkin about. this site is not about jus approachin every damn women u see tryin to get wit her, this site help u become more of a man then a Freakin P*ssy like urself by teachin guys to be more comfortable bein a man. u kno a MAN! a guy who doesnt suck up to women as if they r gods, and as if they are the world to us. and a guy who isnt afraid of wat a woman thinks. a guy who isnt afraid to makefun of women jus like he does wit his buddies, hence the "lame" ****y funny thing. men dont put women on pedestals ,man, but u do. if ur dumb ass sits and constanly worries about wat to say to a women, then ur jus a f*ckin p*ssy. the point of this site isnt to become a walkin boner, tryin to **** every girl he sees, this site is to help u so when u do see a woman u r interested in, u would be able i handle urself and get and see if she is right for U! yes...U! not if ur right for her. if u sit and worry about wat "smooth" thing to say, then ur tryin to prove urself to her. u've read this site and put women as the prize, idiot. and now u've gone and ****ed up and try to ruin it for everyone else. thanks dumb f*ck. get the hell of this site if it's not helping u.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Good thread. The original poster would get reputation points from me if I used the feature, lol.

Personally I feel the point of this site depends on which sub-forum you're in. Like in H&F guys tell me they don't want to get big and bulky because they want to look good for the ladies, which makes me presume this site is about getting laid. Yet in other forums it's all about "finding yourself". Whatever!

Call me a feminist if you want, but the whole don juan bible (which I haven't read nor will ever) with its abbreviated bullcrap is an insult and degrading not only to women but to the guys practising it. If you're trying to 'close' with a 'HB7' for a 'ONS' in the hope that you finally 'get some' (did I get those right?) and the girl knew you classified her as a 'HB7' she really would have every right to slap you in the face and walk away (or kick you in the balls and stamp on your throat if she's the sort of girl I know).

It's a knock to a man's respectability to classify women like that, and also to abbreviate/make a science of just what the majority of us in the real world call, or used to call, 'chatting her up'. Appreciate yourself as a human being, appreciate women as human beings and you'll get on a lot further in life.

I've had more girlfriends than I like to admit, and ALL of them (the missus included) were 'courted' before I even knew this site existed. I used the truly revolutionary aspect of being myself around people, didn't go out to impress, didn't do the whole 'C&F' thing, I didn't even keep myself particularly well dressed - and the girls came to ME (the missus included). Maybe 'cause they're kinda intuitive and can see when a guy is playing games? Women play games because it's in their nature, for the most part it doesn't come naturally to a gentleman and they can see that a mile off.

If you come across a girl who's naive/amused enough by your DJ-ness then you got lucky, lol.

Yes, I agree with the general concepts of not chasing after girls persistently (although some girls admire persistance), being well kept and well groomed, being a man and not be whipped and all that stuff.. but anything more scientific than that is just all theory which has little or no application in the real world, much like EMG studies in bodybuilding.

However, there's one good thing about this site, and about the only good thing going for it (apart from that I've met some truly great guys in H&F) is that it's giving otherwise shy, awkward, maybe even cowardly guys, a bit of confidence. If thinking that they're going after women in the 'scientific' way and it's gonna work and it actually makes them get out there and TALK to a girl instead of endlessly browsing the 30-sec porn clip sites for sexual relief then I'm all for it. If this will jumpstart someone's courage and get them approaching women then that's reason enough to keep it around.. over time the now confident, determined, optimistic young lad will gradually phase out the sosuaveness and turn to being himself, only with a stackload more balls than he had before.

And that's what'll get him places in life, having balls, ambition, determination, bravery.. and I'm in favour of anything which makes men grow balls, directly or indirectly.

 

[DarkLight]

If this will jumpstart someone's courage and get them approaching women then that's reason enough to keep it around.. over time the now confident, determined, optimistic young lad will gradually phase out the sosuaveness and turn to being himself, only with a stackload more balls than he had before.

And that's what'll get him places in life, having balls, ambition, determination, bravery.. and I'm in favour of anything which makes men grow balls, directly or indirectly.

Well said... and I think naturally that is the essence of this site's goal. Moreover, it seems to be the natural evolution of the cats that have come here, and gleamed the wisdom. Might take them a little while as it did myself... but such is any process of progress in life.

Only thing I would have to contest is... the hidden value in the structuring of some of this knowledge. I too agree w. you 100%, that breaking down women to a logical understanding is to destroy their entire beauty. But... it does have its value in the sense that other systems of knowledge have been preconditioned into their minds, prior to finding this place, and is a necessary structury to adopt in order to create the shift to fully relate and succesfully explore that same beauty: women.

Society, religion, government, etc... and their million and one social conditionings are systems of knowledge (beliefs, perspectives, etc.) that have been hardwired into most of the newbie AFC's that SoSuave attracts. And to learn a new structure of knowledge, that yields a different perspective on being and relating... can only be seen as a positive equal, to societies original programming.

From that stand point... I can't discount the structure of knowledge here.

The real issue is... whether one digests, and evolves past the 1's and 0's, to a heart-centered understanding of what the structure is trying to convey. To mentally quantify oneself (or women), is the tragedy of this process. But sometimes a necessary step in order to foster understanding and new perspectives.

I'm sure you'd probably agree w. this, in that its pretty much just a continuation of your original expression. Albeit with the addition of value towards the process of digesting the knowledge. The necessary step in catalyzing the shift, which would enable the more effective exploration, and merging into the beauty and mystery of women.

Peace'

 

[Warboss Alex]

Well said... and I think naturally that is the essence of this site's goal. Moreover, it seems to be the natural evolution of the cats that have come here, and gleamed the wisdom. Might take them a little while as it did myself... but such is any process of progress in life.

Only thing I would have to contest is... the hidden value in the structuring of some of this knowledge. I too agree w. you 100%, that breaking down women to a logical understanding is to destroy their entire beauty. But... it does have its value in the sense that other systems of knowledge have been preconditioned into their minds, prior to finding this place, and is a necessary structury to adopt in order to create the shift to fully relate and succesfully explore that same beauty: women.

Society, religion, government, etc... and their million and one social conditionings are systems of knowledge (beliefs, perspectives, etc.) that have been hardwired into most of the newbie AFC's that SoSuave attracts. And to learn a new structure of knowledge, that yields a different perspective on being and relating... can only be seen as a positive equal, to the societies original programming.

From that stand point... I can't discount the structure of knowledge here.

The real issue is... whether one digests, and evolves past the 1's and 0's, to a heart-centered understanding of what the structure is trying to convey. To mentally quantify oneself (or women), is the tragedy of this process. But sometimes a necessary step in order to adopt a new perspectives.

I'm sure you'd probably agree w. this perspective. As its pretty much just a continuation of your original expression. Albeit with the addition of value to the process of digesting knowledge, in order to catalyze the shift into being a man of greater understanding, abilities in succesful relating and MORE BALLS.

Peace'

great post, and I agree entirely. if classification of women as 6's or 10's or 999's is a necessary evil on the road to their eventual goal of achieving dignity, respectability, self-worth and courage then it may be worth it, just don't ever let your girlfriends know "they were a 7 so you thought they'd be easier for you to nail"

otherwise I agree with everything you say, yes. maybe even saying "the end justifies the means".