This Site Attracts Guys With Issues.

[DarthJuan]

...downing one another, or jumping all over them b/c they want to date or have dated a divorced woman or woman with children, or whatever. A-Unit

Part of why this site is successful is because it forces you learn to manage risk better. To play the percentages.

There is absolutely no reason for a young, single male to be dating a single mother.

It is in the male posters best interest not to get involved in such a loaded situation.

To give advice counter to that is absolutely opposite to empowering him.

It may be selfish. But it would be in his best interest not to foster bastard children.

He should be fathering his own genetic material.

Sosuave isn't an adoption agency.

 

[KarmaSutra]

But this post here can also apply to Wyldfire just as much as it applies to us. Yes, it may be shameful that some of us, in our twenties and thirties participate in these flame wars. But what about Wyldfire, who is in her 40's and is suppose to be more mature?

Is this truly a reason to limit your thinking and jump on the bandwagon? I call her out on bullsh!t but it's in the spirit of debate, not personal thrashing. I've found that people who are weak in character thrive on temporarily beating down others. What it does is make them feel a tad superior and high and mighty for a brief moment and forget their own insecurities and worthlessness.

A-Unit, Good thread my brother.

 

[Falcon]

Is this truly a reason to limit your thinking and jump on the bandwagon? I call her out on bullsh!t but it's in the spirit of debate, not personal thrashing. I've found that people who are weak in character thrive on temporarily beating down others. What it does is make them feel a tad superior and high and mighty for a brief moment and forget their own insecurities and worthlessness.

A-Unit, Good thread my brother.

This is actually the first time in my life that I ever got in this kind of an argument with someone on the internet. I am reading your post and hopefully I will answer your question. I never thought of it as jumping on the bandwagon. I got sick of seeing so many good threads getting locked. Many of my posts to Wyldfire had the message of trying to get her realize that her attitude was causing people to attack her. I only got more aggressive when she would say stuff like you just don't get the situation. My intention never was to 'beat down'. I have no intention of feeling superior or high and mighty either, because this is just an internet forum.

 

[KarmaSutra]

This is actually the first time in my life that I ever got in this kind of an argument with someone on the internet. I am reading your post and hopefully I will answer your question. I never thought of it as jumping on the bandwagon. I got sick of seeing so many good threads getting locked. Many of my posts to Wyldfire had the message of trying to get her realize that her attitude was causing people to attack her. I only got more aggressive when she would say stuff like you just don't get the situation. My intention never was to 'beat down'. I have no intention of feeling superior or high and mighty either, because this is just an internet forum.

It wasn't directed at you brother. I know what an irritating broad Bird can be but that's her nature. She likes to push buttons. Too many guys go way too far when they push back. I haven't seen that behaviour out of you. Just like treating a child, the absolute best defense is indifference.

 

[Falcon]

It wasn't directed at you brother. I know what an irritating broad Bird can be but that's her nature. She likes to push buttons. Too many guys go way too far when they push back. I haven't seen that behaviour out of you. Just like treating a child, the absolute best defense is indifference.

hmmm im confused, you quoted my post?

 

[KarmaSutra]

hmmm im confused, you quoted my post?

Yours was the first I had gotten to.

 

[~attrACTION~]

This Site Attracts Guys With Issues.

No sh*t, Sherlock. Same old "SoSuave is Going Downhill" bullsh*t posts that pop up once a month. Same song, just a different preacher. A-Unit, I usually respect your posts. Mostly because according to your signature you share the same profound love for the New England Patriots that I do.

I don't really get the whole Wyldfire thing. If someone doesn't like someone, can't they just hit the ignore button? All this "forum drama" is meaningless. I agree, some guys are just plain destructive and bashing. So freaking what. Let them be. They feel like they can act all pompous on the Internet - those same guys are licking your nuts in person. Karma will work things out.

By the way, the whole topic of FEMINISM is such utter bullsh*t. Like who cares if it exists, or the whole movement or whatever? It doesn't affect any of us, unless we're running political campaigns or something. I think any thread discussing feminism should automatically be closed and the thread starter should be banned.

What does FEMINISM have to do with trying to get a date or get laid? It really doesn't make any sense. Stop blaming other people or feminism or gays because you can't get a date. Or because some girl rejected you. It's like blaming the President that your dog died. Such utter crap. I'm not a feminist and I can't get dates either but I know that feminism has absolutely nothing to do with my dating situation.

There are some topics that are just discussed to death that get no one anywhere.

 

[PeterNorthisawesome]

It's become increasingly evident over my time here that SS attracts guys with issues, some that may never go away. I've read some of the most bitter, vile, detestible material, comments and words, that shocks me to know end. Frankly, there's few guys I can say I'd game with here, or introduce to a female friend.

Put the multi page thread-attacks aside on Wyldfire, but how about how you approach other guys and your "strategy" there?

Is it always your personality to attack someone you don't know because you may look down on their comment or finger them a troll immediately? In real likfe, what would you think of someone like that? What does that same about your mental fortitude to be so shaken you resort to immaturity, childish response, or degradation?

Isn't such an attitude only hurting us? Doesn't it only stir up anger, bitterness, and resentment? Attitude of disrespect amongst humanity?

I don't get it. Whatever your feelings on women, show some class, respect, and control. Flame me all you want. I've never fallen into that trap during my time here and I won't. It bothers me guys here don't get, and then develop some "prize" mentality, when I'd probably not even buy you a beer, yet you think you are deserving of a woman wiping your arse with her tongue? Please do us a favor and join the Darwin Awards, ok?

You're either adding and benefiting humanity, or you're not. And in the end, you only benefit yourself.

Many of the guys here are young, too. Some, never even post, so we don't know what they think. I honestly don't care about the community being found out whatsoever, it's the underlying mentality and attitude people here should be concerned. To most, women are nameless bags of trouble, only useful as *** dumpsters. Guys here feel superiority based on having a **** alone, when they've probably never even moved out of mommy and daddys basement. Yet, there are some guys who for good reason, live there, and are respectful, classy, MEN. Not boys. Not dudes. MEN. In a way, men are heroes, protectors of humanity. Doing right when no one else will. Standing up for something, when no one else can or will. Are you acting like a MAN? Isn't that how we can say we've progressed THIS far? Yeah, most guys these days want to act like BOYS, and will site FEMINISM?

COME ON GUYS!!!!

MEN, humanity, LIFE has been under attack since the dawn of life. We've survived and adapted by OUR STRENGTH, and yet, you're pvssy enough to blame so bogus ideal from bogus women who've never had the pleasure of a fat **** between their meaty thighs? GIMME A BREAK. Check yourself. Your mental fortitude is SHOT. Blaming everyone else describes how and where you're weak.

Guys here (not all of you) bandage themselves with the notion of the PRIZE, site great posters, than pretend to "be improved". Only to be worse off than before...an AFC with an attitude. Just b/c you can nail a chick, doesn't make you improved, great, or worth of mutual male respect. I'm sorry for you. Truly. I've spoken offline with a great many guys, guys who just by who they are have my respect, whether we disagree or not. They never needed to earn it, they had it, day 1. Who's so important to demand "you earn my respect?" Really? Is it a currency I can cash in? Do I get a BMW? Would you take a bullet if I saved up enough of your RESPECT CURRENCY? Come on!

Needless to say, look in the mirror. You're worse than the person you claim is trolling, or the person whom you down for asking a newb question, or the woman you down as a drama queen. It's truly shameful to see guys in their mid 20's or 30's behaving as such. If you do that to a STRANGER...what would you do with your own woman? Resort to violence and abuse, or pander like the AFC you never recovered from?

Guys are here to learn, explore, expand, and awaken, not to debase or deride one another. And if that's your masochistic goal, then I'm glad I'll be moving along soon because this place will have lost what was once something great.


A-Unit

So true... great example would be Wyldfire...

 

[Bonhomme]

It does stand to reason that any "self-improvement" forum should attract guys who could stand some ... ahem ... improvement.

 

[grinder]

A-Unit: Dammit, another great post that, unfortunately, I do not have the attention span for.

I think I get the gist of it.

I have always found it instructive to see how people react under stress. They tend to show their true character under some duress.

Anonymous entities pushing bits back and forth on an internet forum does not strike me as stressful, but, amazingly, and obviously, many find it akin to outright war.

And given that, quite a few participants of this these faux wars have shown a bit of their true character.

My hope is that, given that they can review their own posts here, perhaps they can hold the mirror up to themselves and see themselves a bit more clearly.

 

[decades]

cluster b sociopaths are everywhere even on sosuave
and I am not talking about the AFCs or Alphas here

 

[Wyldfire]

I think there is just too much of a negative and angry attitude here...which implies frustration. Frustration is a pretty good indicator that guys here are not making the kind of progress they would like to be making. It's a viscous circle. There is only one way to improve the situation and that is to get some quality discussions going about the things people most need to work on and regain the sense of community that once existed here. I genuinely DO want to get along with people. I AM here to help. I'm willing to let bygones be bygones and forgive and forget the past and help restore sosuave.com to a positive and helpful site. However...everyone else needs to get on board and try to do the same.

 

[Desdinova]

I love you Wyldfire

 

[MT3]

I think there is just too much of a negative and angry attitude here...which implies frustration. Frustration is a pretty good indicator that guys here are not making the kind of progress they would like to be making. It's a viscous circle.

You say "too much of a negative and angry attitude here" but why would anyone put themselfs through the constant effort to improve if they're happy?
Your logic is broken.

There is only one way to improve the situation and that is to get some quality discussions going about the things people most need to work on and regain the sense of community that once existed here.

You want a "sense of community" on a forum with 24,000 members?

I'm willing to let bygones be bygones and forgive and forget the past and help restore sosuave.com to a positive and helpful site. However...everyone else needs to get on board and try to do the same.

Because on SoSuave, Wyldfire makes the rules. Maybe we don't want your faggy circle jerk website from the past.

And just how are you going to achieve this utopia of male to male discourse?

In before massive flame war and thread locked and deleted.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

The thing is...all of our problems are mental, amongst ourselves. Sure in the physical sense we may be broke, have parents we don't get along with, may be even physically handicapped, but it isn't like we can't do...anything. Otherwise you wouldn't be here. So that's the good thing. The fact you're here means you can and have to be willing to improve, change, grow, become more aware, open your mind up, etc.

Having the ability and knowledge that you can choose and change is so HUGE, that should be uplifting already!

Where I see guys get frustrated is that...you can only be upset if you've resolved yourself to NOT finishing what you start. Eventually, what you want, what you're working on, has to materialize. And it will, but people give up. Moreover, things come to different people at different points in time. We're all on a separate journey, starting at different points in time, so we mustn't compare our progress with another person's progress.

But the strain for perfection in a negative way suggests "incompleteness." As if you are flawed. I think alot of guys come from that angle. I know I did years ago. I saw "improvement", not as a way to test myself, not as a way to live, but as a goal that when I got "to that point," I'd be happy. Not true. "Getting something" won't make anyone happy. I believe it's the realization that you have the "power to get what you want" and be effective in life that makes people happy. Alot of people want the money, not to buy things, just to prove they can do it and have it, IF they need it. In the Millionaire Next Door, its not glaringly obvious who's rich and who isn't. They didn't do it for the money. The money is a buy product of sound savings and investment strategies, and something they enjoy doing, be it self employment or a big corporate job.

The first step, in my opinion, is for guys to "forgive and forget" their past. Give up the anger, and embark on a new journey. Don't blame your parents. Don't blame anyone. This is just, your destiny. It begins NOW. Sure, some guys got chicks sooner than you. Ok, so what? Doesn't mean you can't begin now, right, at say 20, 21, 22? And in a year, or 2, or 5, people will only know you as a ladies man. But so long as you think "well I was never BORN THAT WAY, so I can never be that way," you affirm what everyone what thinks and maintain the CURRENT reality as such, and never change life as you know it. Yeah, nothing is immediate. A thought might take hold now, a positive one, and its replaced with a negative one tomorrow. Press on. Push it out of your mind. Resolve to the current path.

Wyldfire WAS/IS on the right path when you try to ask and formulate CONSTRUCTIVE conversation, debate and advice for the benefit of all. This is a military bootcamp. We don't want obedient sycophants. We want free thinkers. You want to RELEASE the mind from the holding prison it has been placed in, one which gives credence to ALL forms of life around him, and none to himself. Cease the connection between authority figures, expectations, conventions, society, parents, friends, xgfs, bosses, co-workers, and break all assumptions.

So with 24,000 members we can't work together? If the majority has a common, positive goal, then they will keep whatever ruffians crop up and create dissent. It's ok to have divergant opinions, but to down, name-call, diss, humiliate, or insult other members...well, you might as well cancel your membership. Not because I don't believe in free speech, but because this site isn't, and shouldn't be, about that. The world does enough of that to you, people come here to get away from that. From time to time we have realign things and say..."yes the world isn't fair, it shouldn't be, it's "just", and it's done this way because IT makes all people equal, and to work for what they want." Who knows what the world would be like if it was fair? What sort of rules would it install? Rules similar to our perceptions of morality? Or, some other set of rules? What if the rules inforce worked counter, or worse, than the ones we have? What then?



A-Unit

 

[Vulpine]

BTW, this site not only attracts guys with "issues", but it also trains guys to be sociopaths and psychopaths, we just don't call it a "disorder".

Since we advocate behaviors, mindsets, and ideas contrary to societal norms, we here are very antisocial, and thus sociopathic/psychopathic (of course, without violence, unless you are checking the "best fighting technique" threads).

("disorder" muted for clarity)

antisocial
1. Unwilling or unable to associate normally with other people
2. Antagonistic, hostile, or unfriendly toward others; menacing
3. Opposed to social order or the principles of society

sociopath (plural sociopaths)

1. A person with an antisocial personality disorder
2. A psychopath

psychopath (plural psychopaths)

1. A person with a personality disorder indicated by a pattern of lying, exploitiveness, heedlessness, arrogance, sexual promiscuity, low self-control, and lack of empathy and remorse. Such an individual may be especially prone to violent and criminal offenses.
2. A person diagnosed with antisocial or dissocial personality disorder.
3. A person who has no moral conscience.
4. Popular A person who perpetrates especially gruesome or bizarre violent acts

Many of the DJ "tips" actually ENCOURAGE people to be "psychopathic".