This sh**'s getting old (pun intended)

[BPH]

I'm gonna preface this by saying that I'm quite drunk.

Now that that's out of the way, I just got back from a night out and I'm absolutely losing my mind about the ridiculousness of these women...

I am 6ft tall, 220 lbs, and I'm ripped to shreds. I have all my hair, I have all my teeth - I even had a girl ask me tonight if my teeth were real or if they were veneers. I'm good friends with the bartenders and staff, and have social proof; I skipped the line, and my drinks were free.

Yet still, I'm running into the same problem:

"Do you go here?"
"Where do you go?"
"Oh, you're graduated?"
"Why are you here?"

It's all that f***ing matters.

I went up to a couple of girls tonight...

The first of which seemed interested, but left early with her friend. She was asking why I was there and didn't believe I was as old as I was. Needless to say, nothing happened there. She left a full hour before closing. I'm doubtful anything will become of that.

The second girl was eyeing ME up, so she waved me over and I went and talked to her for a bit. Same story; she found out I was older and thought I was cute, but wasn't interested.

So I went and talked to another girl. Turns out she's friends with girl number 2, and saw us talking, and decided she wasn't interested because I was hitting on her friend. She didn't mind that I was older, but didn't like being second fiddle to her friend, who, by the way, I told her was hitting on ME.

That brings us to girl number 3 - a gorgeous girl hanging out with her friends by the bar. Didn't mind the age, and I think we hit it off, but she wasn't prepared to leave with me that night. Rather, she wanted me to take her out tomorrow night. I suggested drinks at this nearby spot at around 10. She asked if we could go at 6, and then 8. I told her I wanted to be how she ended the night, not a pregame to how she started it. She asked whether that was her decision, to which I responded, "Yeah, and it's my decision whether to take you". She thinks 10 is late, so we'll see if that becomes a thing or not.

The most likely scenario is I'll end up going out there with no girl tomorrow night, which is fine. But man, this is starting to piss me off - I'm doing better than my competition in every way except for the number on my DOB in my driver's license. I don't understand why this is such a massive roadblock.

It's my birthday on Sunday, I'll be going out in Philly Saturday night with some friends, and most likely going back out here again on Friday night. I'd like to get laid, ideally with someone new, but I did not anticipate my age being such an issue.

I don't really know what type of solutions I'd expect to read, this is more of a rant on the ridiculousness of a number on my driver's license being what's getting in the way of me and these women - and it's starting to really piss me off. In a month, most of these patrons will be graduated and Delaware will go back to being the ghost town it's always been - dry spells and all.

Looking to avoid that.

Anyway, thanks for tuning into my rant. Have a good night.

 

[New_Journey]

I am 6ft tall, 220 lbs, and I'm ripped to shreds. I have all my hair, I have all my teeth - I even had a girl ask me tonight if my teeth were real or if they were veneers. I'm good friends with the bartenders and staff, and have social proof; I skipped the line, and my drinks were free.

On paper you are a "prize", but you don't see yourself like that. You never will see yourself as a prize until you work on your mindset. Being all of that doesn't guarantee anything as you know, so why are you failing? Hint: Its not women

The first of which seemed interested, but left early with her friend. She was asking why I was there and didn't believe I was as old as I was. Needless to say, nothing happened there. She left a full hour before closing. I'm doubtful anything will become of that.

The second girl was eyeing ME up, so she waved me over and I went and talked to her for a bit. Same story; she found out I was older and thought I was cute, but wasn't interested.

So I went and talked to another girl. Turns out she's friends with girl number 2, and saw us talking, and decided she wasn't interested because I was hitting on her friend. She didn't mind that I was older, but didn't like being second fiddle to her friend, who, by the way, I told her was hitting on ME.

That brings us to girl number 3 - a gorgeous girl hanging out with her friends by the bar. Didn't mind the age, and I think we hit it off, but she wasn't prepared to leave with me that night. Rather, she wanted me to take her out tomorrow night. I suggested drinks at this nearby spot at around 10. She asked if we could go at 6, and then 8. I told her I wanted to be how she ended the night, not a pregame to how she started it. She asked whether that was her decision, to which I responded, "Yeah, and it's my decision whether to take you". She thinks 10 is late, so we'll see if that becomes a thing or not.

You see the pattern? In your mind you are all of that, so they must be dripping wet for you right? And when they don't there is conflict with reality vs your narcissistic fantasy, all of them can see right through you, making you look fake and extremely unattractive.

The most likely scenario is I'll end up going out there with no girl tomorrow night, which is fine. But man, this is starting to piss me off

Its not fine, your whole goal in life is puzzy, wrong approach.

'm doing better than my competition in every way except for the number on my DOB in my driver's license. I don't understand why this is such a massive roadblock.

Since you are all of that, it has to be another external factor that you can't get girls right? Now is your birthday?
You are not doing better than anyone else, in fact you are doing worse because you are so "attractive" but are going home with no puzzy, just like a fat slob who masturbate all day, you two are the same at the end of the day.

I don't really know what type of solutions I'd expect to read

The only solution is in your mind, not in external factors. But you won't get it, until the pain gets too much and you do something about it.

the ridiculousness of a number on my driver's license being what's getting in the way of me and these women

Flash news: It is not

most of these patrons will be graduated and Delaware will go back to being the ghost town it's always been - dry spells and all.

Looking to avoid that.

Why not? Your masculinity is so fragile that if you spend a couple of months with no puzzy you are gonna become gay? Or your ego just can't understand that you should be swimming in puzzy but you are not?

Anyway, thanks for tuning into my rant. Have a good night.

This is a cautionary example, how ego can fvck up everything. You can turn yourself into the most attractive guy on earth, but if you mind doesn't think that, you are fvcked.

 

[SW15]

I am 6ft tall, 220 lbs, and I'm ripped to shreds. I have all my hair, I have all my teeth -

I'm doing better than my competition in every way except for the number on my DOB in my driver's license. I don't understand why this is such a massive roadblock.

"Do you go here?"
"Where do you go?"
"Oh, you're graduated?"
"Why are you here?"

You are having the issues you are having because you are 30-31 and going to a specific set of bars catering to 21-24 year old college students.

30-31 is not that old for certain graduate level programs.

This is a Wilmington, DE problem. In bigger cities, no one cares if a man is 31 and single so long as he avoids college specific bars.

In your region, you need to be living in Philadelphia at your age and status.

A 31 year old shredded guy with a roommate in Philadelphia can still do well seducing women even without money and status in post-college bars.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It is because you appear as a loser creep to these women because only losers tend to hangout in college bars after a certain age. You are basically the kid that graduated high school still hanging out in the parking lot and going to every Friday night football game. Would you bang a 40-year-old over a 20-year-old because the 40-year-old has a full set of teeth and is skinny? I do not think so lol. In addition, what kind of college area sees having a full set of teeth as a luxury? Are you gaming in meth country or something? Bottomline, time to change your strategy.

 

[BPH]

On paper you are a "prize", but you don't see yourself like that. You never will see yourself as a prize until you work on your mindset. Being all of that doesn't guarantee anything as you know, so why are you failing? Hint: Its not women



You see the pattern? In your mind you are all of that, so they must be dripping wet for you right? And when they don't there is conflict with reality vs your narcissistic fantasy, all of them can see right through you, making you look fake and extremely unattractive.



Its not fine, your whole goal in life is puzzy, wrong approach.


Since you are all of that, it has to be another external factor that you can't get girls right? Now is your birthday?
You are not doing better than anyone else, in fact you are doing worse because you are so "attractive" but are going home with no puzzy, just like a fat slob who masturbate all day, you two are the same at the end of the day.


The only solution is in your mind, not in external factors. But you won't get it, until the pain gets too much and you do something about it.


Flash news: It is not


Why not? Your masculinity is so fragile that if you spend a couple of months with no puzzy you are gonna become gay? Or your ego just can't understand that you should be swimming in puzzy but you are not?


This is a cautionary example, how ego can fvck up everything. You can turn yourself into the most attractive guy on earth, but if you mind doesn't think that, you are fvcked.

I mean this seriously, not as an insult: what happened to your whole approach to bettering the state of the forum? Most of your recent replies are just bashing without anything constructive.

I don't feel like multi-quoting a single reply, so I'll go point-by-point:

• I definitely see myself as a prize, but I'm not so proud to think my s*** don't stink. I'm tall, I'm muscular, I'm attractive enough that I was able to get modeling contracts - I know I look good. But I live with my parents, make around $40k/year, and drive a Prius with a headlight that needs to be replaced. I think I'm great, but I don't think I'm special.
• I don't have a narcissistic fantasy in my head that all these women should be swooning for me. To some extent, I have proof that they are doing exactly this; I catch plenty of stares, smiles, glances, etc. It doesn't change the fact that when I talk to them, at least 50% of the time, when they ask my age or find out that number that they go cold - I have seen it happen so many times. It's not an irrational thing in my head - I am observing this in real-time, multiple times.
• My whole goal is not puzzy, but I would like to get something recurring since I lost most of my FWBs. I am dedicating a few hours of my nights to this on weekends only, it's not like this is sidetracking my life. Especially since it's my birthday soon, I would simply like to get laid, ideally with someone I'm going to see multiple times. I need to go back out and meet her since I don't have someone like that currently. Plus, in a couple of weeks, all these people will be graduating, and then it'll be REALLY dry.
• Going home alone is fine. I'd rather go home alone than with a woman I'm not attracted to. I don't know how that makes me the same as some slob who's jerking it every night. I'm willing to sacrifice some sex to maintain a standard.
• Again, the age is DEFINITELY an issue. It may not be where YOU live or go out, but it has certainly been the deciding factor here. Sure, if a woman is attracted enough, she's willing to overlook a lot of things, just not necessarily how her friends will perceive her if she goes home with a man much older than her.
• My ego isn't fragile. I just want sex. That shouldn't be hard to understand. Plus, I like variety, hence my notch count. I get cranky when it's been a while without it, as I'm sure most men can relate.
• I'll wait for you to say something constructive, if you're capable of such a feat.

You are having the issues you are having because you are 30-31 and going to a specific set of bars catering to 21-24 year old college students.

30-31 is not that old for certain graduate level programs.

This is a Wilmington, DE problem. In bigger cities, no one cares if a man is 31 and single so long as he avoids college specific bars.

In your region, you need to be living in Philadelphia at your age and status.

A 31 year old shredded guy with a roommate in Philadelphia can still do well seducing women even without money and status in post-college bars.

Yeah...I can't really afford to make a move at the moment, though hopefully once the business gets going, I'll be able to relocate within reason. I'm just looking for band-aid fixes to get me by until then, because some of this sh** is ridiculous.

It is because you appear as a loser creep to these women because only losers tend to hangout in college bars after a certain age. You are basically the kid that graduated high school still hanging out in the parking lot and going to every Friday night football game. Would you bang a 40-year-old over a 20-year-old because the 40-year-old has a full set of teeth and is skinny? I do not think so lol. In addition, what kind of college area sees having a full set of teeth as a luxury? Are you gaming in meth country or something? Bottomline, time to change your strategy.

The point I'm illustrating is that the only thing differentiating me from these other guys is my age. You're correct with the 20 and 40-year-old analogy, but I wouldn't discard the 40-year-old because of her age if she still looks good.

I'm checking a lot of boxes for these girls, with the exception of 1 - and it seems like that 1 is a pretty f***ing big box.

 

[sevbucmash]

Just lie about your age.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I think one way to decrease your frustration is to manage your expectations a bit when going to places like these. These bars have their own ecosystem such as cliques, gossip, and social hierarchies, and even if you're a great catch, the women there might still be susceptible to judgment from their peers.

Also, I can’t say I’ve experienced this myself or done a deep dive on the topic, but maybe a helpful question to ask is, from their perspective, is it socially acceptable to hook up with someone who's not part of that college scene anymore and somewhat older? That could be a factor and more about their own social dynamics and the fear of judgment. A college bar crowd might not be the best audience for what you’re offering. Maybe offer something else or change the venue from a bar to a club/house party/concerts, etc.

One way to prove if your theory is true, which is your age, maybe lie about it and see if you are more successful. It is great for research.

Lastly, I think with your successes you will eventually break through. Hopefully the girl today will come through.

 

[characternote]

the answer is to lie about your age like I do lol (i'm older than you and tend to mostly go for 18 year olds. I look very young for my age, but my time is indeed running out haha)

But even if you lie about your age, you're still gonna run into the same issues in a few years time when you look too old to get away with lying about your age.

Me and one of the few legit posters @mikedee used to speak about this in private (he left this forum recently though). We shared receipts too so I know he was legit.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

So essentially because women decide they don't want to fvck a random stranger that night, there is something "wrong with them"?

Seems like a strange outlook on life.

 

[BPH]

So essentially because women decide they don't want to fvck a random stranger that night, there is something "wrong with them"?

Seems like a strange outlook on life.

...

Are you not reading what I'm writing? These women are interested in me UNTIL they find out my age. Everybody assumes I'm like 23-25 and they're cool with it. But 30? Blasphemy. All interest lost.

 

[sevbucmash]

Tell them you're 23

 

[The Duke]

I'm gonna preface this by saying that I'm quite drunk.

Now that that's out of the way, I just got back from a night out and I'm absolutely losing my mind about the ridiculousness of these women...

I am 6ft tall, 220 lbs, and I'm ripped to shreds. I have all my hair, I have all my teeth - I even had a girl ask me tonight if my teeth were real or if they were veneers. I'm good friends with the bartenders and staff, and have social proof; I skipped the line, and my drinks were free.

Yet still, I'm running into the same problem:

"Do you go here?"
"Where do you go?"
"Oh, you're graduated?"
"Why are you here?"

It's all that f***ing matters.

I went up to a couple of girls tonight...

The first of which seemed interested, but left early with her friend. She was asking why I was there and didn't believe I was as old as I was. Needless to say, nothing happened there. She left a full hour before closing. I'm doubtful anything will become of that.

The second girl was eyeing ME up, so she waved me over and I went and talked to her for a bit. Same story; she found out I was older and thought I was cute, but wasn't interested.

So I went and talked to another girl. Turns out she's friends with girl number 2, and saw us talking, and decided she wasn't interested because I was hitting on her friend. She didn't mind that I was older, but didn't like being second fiddle to her friend, who, by the way, I told her was hitting on ME.

That brings us to girl number 3 - a gorgeous girl hanging out with her friends by the bar. Didn't mind the age, and I think we hit it off, but she wasn't prepared to leave with me that night. Rather, she wanted me to take her out tomorrow night. I suggested drinks at this nearby spot at around 10. She asked if we could go at 6, and then 8. I told her I wanted to be how she ended the night, not a pregame to how she started it. She asked whether that was her decision, to which I responded, "Yeah, and it's my decision whether to take you". She thinks 10 is late, so we'll see if that becomes a thing or not.

The most likely scenario is I'll end up going out there with no girl tomorrow night, which is fine. But man, this is starting to piss me off - I'm doing better than my competition in every way except for the number on my DOB in my driver's license. I don't understand why this is such a massive roadblock.

It's my birthday on Sunday, I'll be going out in Philly Saturday night with some friends, and most likely going back out here again on Friday night. I'd like to get laid, ideally with someone new, but I did not anticipate my age being such an issue.

I don't really know what type of solutions I'd expect to read, this is more of a rant on the ridiculousness of a number on my driver's license being what's getting in the way of me and these women - and it's starting to really piss me off. In a month, most of these patrons will be graduated and Delaware will go back to being the ghost town it's always been - dry spells and all.

Looking to avoid that.

Anyway, thanks for tuning into my rant. Have a good night.

There was a college bar district in my town that I tried to pickup girls at in my early 30's. I never had any success. I just couldn't penetrate their social groups and I wasn't part of their cliques.

Now take the same age, non-college girls at bars that weren't known as college bars and I didn't have any issues.

As @SW15 pointed out, you will have better luck in non-college bars.

I bet it doesn't have anything to do with anything else other than you aren't in the college kid club. Some of these guys go overbiars and get way too deep in the weeds because they lack experience. It's not that complicated.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

...

Are you not reading what I'm writing? These women are interested in me UNTIL they find out my age. Everybody assumes I'm like 23-25 and they're cool with it. But 30? Blasphemy. All interest lost.

Probably because they see you as a creepy older dude trying to get college chicks

 

[New_Journey]

bashing without anything constructive.

Brother, I'm not bashing you, I tell you because I know what you're feeling, like a splinter in your mind, that is making you confused. I was in that place some time ago, I know what I'm saying.

I'm tall, I'm muscular, I'm attractive enough that I was able to get modeling contracts - I know I look good.

Everyone in the forum know about this, you don't have to keep repeating it, you are acting exactly how a woman would act, like @BeExcellent whenever she mentions often in her comments how she married a young, athlete, who makes six figs, they love to say things that they have, that is feminine behavior, masculine men don't do that.

I don't have a narcissistic fantasy in my head that all these women should be swooning for me. To some extent,

But what does reality tell you? This is narcissism, they can't understand what's perception vs reality. Read about it if you have the balls to get better. You are imposing to yourself such a high expectations and that is making you miserable, its okay to fail, the only way is to go up after that.

My whole goal is not puzzy, but I would like to get something recurring since I lost most of my FWBs. I am dedicating a few hours of my nights to this on weekends only, it's not like this is sidetracking my life. Especially since it's my birthday soon, I would simply like to get laid, ideally with someone I'm going to see multiple times. I need to go back out and meet her since I don't have someone like that currently. Plus, in a couple of weeks, all these people will be graduating, and then it'll be REALLY dry.

This is thirst, you are thirsty for women, and they can smell that $hit from miles away, that's why you are failing so hard. You think women will cease to exist.

Your ego wants to protect you so bad, that you just can't accept that after having all those qualities, there are a lot of women who don't want you. Its okay man, nature has left some women without you touching them for us. We all are winning here, like a tribe of men.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Fix that headlight so you don't get pulled over and get a dui.

 

[BeExcellent]

Sheesh. No its not "feminine" behavior. On an anonymous internet forum context is important. Nobody can see you so there is no way to distinguish posters but by content, and specifically by consistency of content.

Therefore the reader cannot tell if someone is a ripped handsome dude with great style or a fat slob with man boobs. So sharing this context actually matters.

For that reason my avatar is a photo of me, and always has been. People do better to know context because it matters for context and in turn, credibility.

 

[New_Journey]

For that reason my avatar is a photo of me, and always has been.

How many years have you had that same picture? Like 5 years now? Collagen in women in thinner than men, so I pretty sure you don't look as young as that picture. This is the classic cat fish that women do, see guys? Its not only on dating apps they cat fish you, now even in seduction forums.

 

[Sega Genesis]

The first of which seemed interested, but left early with her friend. She was asking why I was there and didn't believe I was as old as I was.

^^I view this as a compliment! Positive versus negative mindset and all that...

Curious how you responded?

So I went and talked to another girl. Turns out she's friends with girl number 2, and saw us talking, and decided she wasn't interested because I was hitting on her friend. She didn't mind that I was older, but didn't like being second fiddle to her friend, who, by the way, I told her was hitting on ME

Well, there ya go. In that case it wasn't because you were older, apparently she didn't like your vibe and being second fiddle. Not many attractive women would!

And jmo but not a good idea to blame the fact you were hitting on her friend on her friend, telling her that her friend was hitting on you! Even if true.

@BPH I have tons of respect for you, but I sort of cringed when I read that.

Sorry man. I think you can do better.

 

[BeExcellent]

How many years have you had that same picture? Like 5 years now? Collagen in women in thinner than men, so I pretty sure you don't look as young as that picture. This is the classic cat fish that women do, see guys? Its not only on dating apps they cat fish you, now even in seduction forums.

Yes that photo is me in my 50s with no filters or retouching. I look the same. Went to my 35 year HS reunion a few years ago & the comment classmates kept saying was "Wow, you look the same or better than you did in high school!", which of course made my husband grin.

I notice almost nobody around here is as transparent about what they look like as I am. You sir, certainly are not. People in glass houses are better off not throwing stones, Hmmm?

 

[Manure Spherian]

I'm gonna preface this by saying that I'm quite drunk.

Now that that's out of the way, I just got back from a night out and I'm absolutely losing my mind about the ridiculousness of these women...

I am 6ft tall, 220 lbs, and I'm ripped to shreds. I have all my hair, I have all my teeth - I even had a girl ask me tonight if my teeth were real or if they were veneers. I'm good friends with the bartenders and staff, and have social proof; I skipped the line, and my drinks were free.

Yet still, I'm running into the same problem:

"Do you go here?"
"Where do you go?"
"Oh, you're graduated?"
"Why are you here?"

It's all that f***ing matters.

I went up to a couple of girls tonight...

The first of which seemed interested, but left early with her friend. She was asking why I was there and didn't believe I was as old as I was. Needless to say, nothing happened there. She left a full hour before closing. I'm doubtful anything will become of that.

The second girl was eyeing ME up, so she waved me over and I went and talked to her for a bit. Same story; she found out I was older and thought I was cute, but wasn't interested.

So I went and talked to another girl. Turns out she's friends with girl number 2, and saw us talking, and decided she wasn't interested because I was hitting on her friend. She didn't mind that I was older, but didn't like being second fiddle to her friend, who, by the way, I told her was hitting on ME.

That brings us to girl number 3 - a gorgeous girl hanging out with her friends by the bar. Didn't mind the age, and I think we hit it off, but she wasn't prepared to leave with me that night. Rather, she wanted me to take her out tomorrow night. I suggested drinks at this nearby spot at around 10. She asked if we could go at 6, and then 8. I told her I wanted to be how she ended the night, not a pregame to how she started it. She asked whether that was her decision, to which I responded, "Yeah, and it's my decision whether to take you". She thinks 10 is late, so we'll see if that becomes a thing or not.

The most likely scenario is I'll end up going out there with no girl tomorrow night, which is fine. But man, this is starting to piss me off - I'm doing better than my competition in every way except for the number on my DOB in my driver's license. I don't understand why this is such a massive roadblock.

It's my birthday on Sunday, I'll be going out in Philly Saturday night with some friends, and most likely going back out here again on Friday night. I'd like to get laid, ideally with someone new, but I did not anticipate my age being such an issue.

I don't really know what type of solutions I'd expect to read, this is more of a rant on the ridiculousness of a number on my driver's license being what's getting in the way of me and these women - and it's starting to really piss me off. In a month, most of these patrons will be graduated and Delaware will go back to being the ghost town it's always been - dry spells and all.

Looking to avoid that.

Anyway, thanks for tuning into my rant. Have a good night.

If the problem actually is age, why not go for women closer to your age?

Cliquey, young, socially-conscious women are practically owned by their cliques and in some cases rotate through the men in them! There’s no penetrating the clique!

Another option is to build a relationship with a woman so this exhausting, jestermaxxing process isn’t needed.

Considering you’re a handsome, muscular man (220# shredded at 6’ is enormous), you might do well on apps.

Your age isn’t ”just a number on your license,” in the same way your income isn’t just a number on a screen.