This is rich - I put my boyfriend on a Performance Improvement Plan to save our relationship

[MatureDJ]

It's OVER for RelationshipProbationCels.

 

[nicksaiz65]

In an ideal working scenario, the white collar employee quits the second the PIP is issued.

Most white collar workers start job searching big time upon receipt of a PIP. A PIP unofficially ends most working relationships. The worker is either terminated for failing to meet conditions of the PIP or the worker finds a new job.

In my terminations, I was terminated by one job without any performance review. Another company gave me a poor review at a regularly scheduled interval performance review, then terminated me without a PIP. Both companies were pathetic excuses for actual businesses and I was glad to be gone from both of them.

A few years later, when I was cleaning out some stuff, I found that bad performance review. I urinated on one sheet of it and I pooped on the other sheet of it.

I like the idea of quitting the second you get the PIP as a power move.

I also have heard the sentiment that once you get the PIP, you start doing the bare minimum at your current job, since they’ll fire you anyways. And then use any additional time you have to study for interviews on the company dollar. You keep milking that corporate salary as long as you can, so you don’t even have to tap into your emergency fund. Then, you’re in a way better spot once they eventually fire you.

Although. It makes me think, how does this strategy work if you need a recommendation from a previous employer?

(Though if you got put on a PIP in the first place you probably wouldn’t get a recommendation anyways.)

 

[SW15]

I like the idea of quitting the second you get the PIP as a power move.

It's a really good idea if you can make it a reality. Few people can make it a reality so it's not worth detailing how to make it a reality.

I also have heard the sentiment that once you get the PIP, you start doing the bare minimum at your current job, since they’ll fire you anyways. And then use any additional time you have to study for interviews on the company dollar. You keep milking that corporate salary as long as you can, so you don’t even have to tap into your emergency fund. Then, you’re in a way better spot once they eventually fire you.

In one of my terminations, I mentioned how I had a bad performance review prior to the termination. I wanted to quit as a result of the performance review but family members talked me out of it. I decided to let me fire me to collect unemployment, and they fired me a few weeks after that. The next job that I got was a better one after a few months of unemployment.

Being able to collect unemployment cash is good.

My 2nd termination was at the beginning of the pandemic so I was collecting a decent amount of money on unemployment due to the pandemic assistance.

Although. It makes me think, how does this strategy work if you need a recommendation from a previous employer?

(Though if you got put on a PIP in the first place you probably wouldn’t get a recommendation anyways.)

Most employers don't want to say anything about past employees. All they'll do is confirm the dates of employment.

In my more recent termination, I listed "Do Not Contact this Employer" on the subsequent job search.

 

[SW15]

Sadly this was my story, another thing is you're surrounded by like minded beta engineers who compete to see who has the better grades, professors are the same, there is no other alternative from 18 to 24 or 25 depending on the years of study (in PR there are 6 years to complete the bachelor without doing any internships or coops)

Also it keeps repeating from media and parents that you have to study hard to get a good job to have a woman, that what counts in on the inside. Just imagine the mental fvckery when from kinder to finishing college 20+ years of being molded into what everyone said was the way to do things, what can cause to a guy.

Almost none of this matters in terms of getting laid. Your grades in either STEM classes or business classes don't amount to anything.

Your soul sucking white collar STEM or business office job won't get you laid in most cases.

A lot of medical doctors (representing the S from STEM) aren't great seducers. Most are married beta males. A lot of times, they marry some past her prime woman looking for a provider.

There's only 2 options, keep deny everything while keep being a simp, or do an extra hard work besides the work, the time, the sacrificies a guy like has already done since the start of his life and then there are other puzzies who shame him to use steroids to have a shortcut to achieve his best physique to try to catch up in what he missed while rewiring his mindset to a one that works.

Rollo Tomassi says Money, Muscles, and Game.

 

[Gamisch]

Part of communication is understanding how to meaningfully connect with the other person. This Asian-American woman was making an effort to connect meaningfully. Most White American wouldn't do that. Most behavioral interpretations are subjective.

My subjective feelings about relationship PIPs are the same as yours. The relationship is over when a relational PIP is issued. There's no point in staying. You made a good point about the woman controlling the frame. Men must control the frame.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #1

Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of whose frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.



It's complete horseshiit, but that's my subjective interpretation.

Although this relationship is over (for now), I dont think this is a negative thing for him.

If a man is honest with himself he knows a PIP actually makes sense. She is saying that if you wanna maintain attraction with any woman, there are principles to the game one must be ware of and execute. She talking about being a man, thus giving her the ability to be a romantic engaged woman rather than a big sister or a mother. He seems unaware of this , and now he knows what's it really like to ne woth a woman. This is something a man won't learn at school, and most of the times not at at home neither.

Lets be honest, this whole forum is about PIP. And we all found this due having a trouble with women. For him individually this isn't too bad. It doesn't matter what makes you realize you need to man the f up. Most of the time it's a woman whoshows us our flaws...imagine a guy like this actually picking it up ,improving and becoming that man that she , and women in general want him to be.

This relationship can't be saved. And i don't know if like how she publicly shames him. But he should reflect back on this relationship, and go through his PIP anyway or he'll face the same problem with the next woman.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Almost none of this matters in terms of getting laid. Your grades in either STEM classes or business classes don't amount to anything.

Your soul sucking white collar STEM or business office job won't get you laid in most cases.

A lot of medical doctors (representing the S from STEM) aren't great seducers. Most are married beta males. A lot of times, they marry some past her prime woman looking for a provider.



Rollo Tomassi says Money, Muscles, and Game.

I think the only grain of truth to the “focus on your career and the women will come” is that if you make more money, you’ve extended your range to be able to meet more women.

But that still falls under “Money, Muscles, Game.”

 

[SW15]

I think the only grain of truth to the “focus on your career and the women will come” is that if you make more money, you’ve extended your range to be able to meet more women.

But that still falls under “Money, Muscles, Game.”

I've seen examples of men get into the low six figures range on salary ($100,000 - $140,000) and the women didn't come. They were still treated like shiit by women. The big problem with "focus on your career and the women will come" thing is that it is a passive outlook. A lot of one's career progression is determined by others (executive managers and the economy at-large). That's not good. Additionally, career focused men aren't likely to get far enough in their career to have their career accomplishments make a difference. While a man can get into the low $100s with a career focus, that's likely not going to be enough money to change how women in the conventional market will treat him. The required salary for that now is around $200,000. It's not worth becoming career focused for a $130,000 salary and not experiencing much of an improvement in how women treat you.

Yes, it's still "Money, Muscles, Game".

I'd rather be 6'0"+ with big muscles as the foundation of my game.