Thinking of taking up a martial art, what would you guys recommend?

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The titles self explanatory.


Im in good shape, and want to take up some sort of sport that can help keep it that way whilst making me qualified to dish it some punishment where warranted. I'm looking for more rushes in my life, and want to experience new things.

I'm open to anything, but I was looking mostly at thai boxing, MMA, or just normal boxing. Which is the most rigorous, and the most vicious it basically what I'd like to know. I've always been competitive with sports, so this seems like a logical step.

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Krav Maga if you want to learn true self defence and be able to neutralize any opponent with minimal effort and maximum effectiveness. However it lacks the competitive element.
 

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Bjj because 99% of fights from amateurs in the heat of the moment, end up on the ground and this is where you will live or die.
 

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I would just go with one of the "Big 4" - boxing, wrestling, BJJ, or Muay Thai. Or some combination thereof. I haven't been very impressed with what I've seen of Krav Maga, and anyway, if you're worried about self defense your first priority is learning how to shoot a handgun.
 

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All of those will give good workouts. Mostly it is going to depend upon the specific gym and the training partners you will find there. You need people who will teach you and help you get a workout without just beating the daylights out of you because you are new.
 

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Senshido.

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phase one is as follows:
* Strategies and Tactics
* Awareness and Intuition
* Psychological Warfare
* Behavioral Elements
* Reading Body Language
* Recognizing signals of aggression and violence
* Reflexive Response Conditioning
* The Shredder™
* Senshido's 5 Principals of Physical Retaliation™
* Opportunity Interception
* Ground fighting
* Close Quarter Combat
* Defense against the most common attacks
Phase 2:
* The 5 Ranges
* Alive Drills
* Advanced Behavioral Tactics
* Shredder™ Refinements
* Dealing with concealed Weapons
* Defensive, gun, knife & blunt objects
* Improvised weapons
* Multiple Attacker Situations
* Ground fighting against an armed assailant
* Combative Concepts & Attributes
* Combative Philosophy
* Strategic and Tactical implementation
* Strengthening and Combative Conditioning
* Understanding the role of the Attacker
* 3-Dimensional Training
 

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Poonani Maker said:
Bjj because 99% of fights from amateurs in the heat of the moment, end up on the ground and this is where you will live or die.
Going to the ground in a street fight is a really bad idea and should be done if you have no other options, or you are one on one. If their friends are nearby, and they usually will be, then you'll be extremely vulnerable on the ground.
 

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CaptainJ said:
Going to the ground in a street fight is a really bad idea and should be done if you have no other options, or you are one on one. If their friends are nearby, and they usually will be, then you'll be extremely vulnerable on the ground.
Yeah it's a sad truth, go to the ground, possibly get your face stomped real fast if there's more than one guy.

There's some people out there that could not care less about your MMA skills they're out to hurt you anyway possible.
 

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CarlitosWay said:
Yeah it's a sad truth, go to the ground, possibly get your face stomped real fast if there's more than one guy.

There's some people out there that could not care less about your MMA skills they're out to hurt you anyway possible.
At 24, have you been to as many clubs/bars as I have at 34? I've been to almost every one within a 100 mile radius of where I live. I've seen a few fights. I've seen many girls. I rarely drink more than 2-3 beers or drinks. Almost all of them end up on the ground. HS kids, college kids, adult men, women. They're usually drunk too, and don't feel the slam to the concrete. One time I saw a black dude just up and cold **** a Mexican and soon after both of them came crashing through a glass table, on the ground.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
At 24, have you been to as many clubs/bars as I have at 34? I've been to almost every one within a 100 mile radius of where I live. I've seen a few fights. I've seen many girls. I rarely drink more than 2-3 beers or drinks. Almost all of them end up on the ground. HS kids, college kids, adult men, women. They're usually drunk too, and don't feel the slam to the concrete. One time I saw a black dude just up and cold **** a Mexican and soon after both of them came crashing through a glass table, on the ground.
You don't get it do you. Yes, fights do go to the ground, but does that mean it's a good thing and that you should specialize in ground fighting? Hell no! You need to learn how to be able to stay standing in a street fight and how to quickly neutralize your opponent without going to the floor. If you are trying to do an arm bar on some chump whilst on the ground and his mates are around, well god help you, for you are going to get fvcked up. Ground fighting takes time, and in a street fight you do not have the 15 seconds required to get that arm bar or choke him out, for his friends are going to stomp your head into a pulp.

Ask anyone attuned to street fighting and they will tell you to never go to the ground in a street fight unless you are forced to, or it's safe to do so.

Seriously suggesting someone do a groundfighting martial art for the purpose of street fighting is moronic in the extreme.
 

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Ground fighting takes time, and in a street fight you do not have the 15 seconds required to get that arm bar or choke him out, for his friends are going to stomp your head into a pulp.


That is not exactly incorrect, but what you are seeing are the shortcomings of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. The Gracies essentially turned Japanese jiu-jitsu into a competitive sport when they took it to Brazil. They removed the moves that were too brutal to train and added blood chokes like triangles and collar chokes. Gracie/Brazilian jiu-jitsu is great stuff; I have trained for years, but it is a sport not unlike Tae Kwon Do in that you can be a champion without being the best fighter.

However, believe it or not, the Japanese Samurais successfully defended Japan from invasion, often against much larger foes, for over a thousand years using battlefield jiu-jitsu, which included some ground fighting. It worked because of intense brutality. They would gouge eyes, kick crotches, and then snap a few fingers backward as the opponent fell down in pain, finishing with a quick arm break and then moving on to the next opponent. A typical battlefield one-on-one fight lasted about three seconds. That is the type of groundfighting that works in real life.

I have been learning recently that Judo is similar to jiu-jitsu in that the brutal stuff has been removed over the years. What are now some pretty innocent-looking throws were once lethal battle moves. They would work the throw so that the other guy landed on something sharp or flew off a cliff. Even worse, most judo throws can be halted in a mid-air transition to an arm bar that breaks the guys arm before he hits the ground. But no one wants to train moves like that, so they get lost with time.
 

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For sport there's a variety of options. Anything that looks intense and has you actually hit things (instead of air)
For combat, try silat or kountou, but ask who they get thier accredidation through.
 

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Why not turn it into a long term plan todays_news?

Boxing - 1 year
Muay thai - 1 year
Judo/Wrestling - 1 year
BJJ - 1 Year
Krav Maga/??? anything you want similar to it - 1 year

Don't have to follow this script or timeframe but you get the gist of it.


Also, while moving on to the next thing, lets say wrestling, pop in once a week or fortnight for a muay thai or boxing sesh, etc etc same with the others as well so you keep yourself from rusting.

You should be well rounded in about 5-6 years time in a variety of martial arts and will be well lethal.
 

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Friends of mine have suggested Hapkito for self-defense purposes
 

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Find a school/ gym that teaches a variety of arts, that way you can find one you like, or enjoy them all if you happen to be like me. (BJJ, Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai)
 

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Firearms training is the best self-defense class ;)

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BJJ and Muay Thai are a good place to start for the physical aspect. As are general fitness and high activity levels in general. Learning how to sprint fast will get you out of most hairy situations too.
 

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The Karate Kid said:
Find a school/ gym that teaches a variety of arts, that way you can find one you like, or enjoy them all if you happen to be like me. (BJJ, Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai)
Yeah, but are there really a lot of schools/gyms around that have qualified, good teachers for all of them? In one place? I guess there are a few but I wouldn't say they're common.
 

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My take on self-defense...

With respect to all who have posted, here's how I looked at it when I started looking at self-defense.

All fights start stand-up with grappling or striking. Some end right there while others will move to stand-up grappling if not there already. Lastly some end on the ground. Stand-up grappling includes hands on pushing/ shoving, charging for a takedown, holds/chokes, and throws/takedowns. Stand-up striking is fists, elbows, knees, and feet.

If in a bar, parking lot, or other non-controlled environment where there are other people never willingly go to the ground with your opponent, even if you know what you are doing. You don't know which people are his friends. There is no defense against a stomp to the head from another person while you're fighting his friend on the ground that I know of.

Your fighting system

1. ...must be stand-up focused. All fights start there and many end there.

2. ...must completely stop an opponent's attack within five seconds of the fight starting and subject you to as little damage as possible.

3. ...must be 100% actively practiced in class against a fully resistive opponent. Learning moves against a moving opponent who is 100% fighting you is a completely different ballgame.

4. ...must include some groundwork. Groundwork must be focused on moves which end fights immediately (chokes/joint locks/some of the painful pins). Wrestling, though a fantastic workout and great grappling art which can cause pain, is not a self-defense art.

5. ...should use hand/elbow strikes to vital points (eyes, throat) or low kicks to knees and groin. Straight fist punches to the face will not be emphasized due to broken knuckle/hand. High kicks will not be emphasized.

I am biased against most traditional striking systems of kung-fu, karate, tae kwon do. I have not seen realistic fighting on a regular basis in their classes.
I am also biased against striking-only arts in general. While many fights start striking they almost all go to stand-up grappling and some go to ground. Stances and balance the average joe and trained strikers use go out the door against the stand-up grappling phase. If I had to look at a system focused on striking I would look at kickboxing, muay thai, krav maga, jeet kune do etc.


I am familiar with

Jiu-Jitsu - (japanese) The only complete martial art from stand up to groundwork. It includes striking, all joint breaks (finger/wrist/elbow/ankle/knee), all chokes, throws, and painful pins.

Pro: Fights can be stopped from a basic finger/wrist lock standing up or go through a full combo of strike/joint lock, throw to ground, choke/lock groundwork. Completely and utterly devastating on every level.

Con: Some are more kata practice focused then active sparring focused. Also there are a lot of moves involved here. It will take a little longer before you are proficient. I would be very picky about choosing your place.


Judo - Developed from Jiu-Jitsu. Throws, chokes, elbow breaks, and pins are taught.

Pro: Like Jiu-Jitsu, this is the name of the game for close quarter hands-on fighting. A throw against a hard floor or concrete is a fight ender. Active free sparring is emphasized. Groundwork is taught 10% to 50% of class. It will be adequate to take care of most opponents.

Con: Though strikes may be taught as setups to throws there is no distance striking taught. Secondly, stand-up grappling takes longer to learn than either striking or ground grappling. It will be six months before you are proficient against most opponents.


Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu - Developed from Judo.

Pro: The name of the game in groundwork. It is Judo's, which is by virtue Jiu-Jitsu's, ground game. However, it has expanded beyond that. It is taught better than either currently does and has clearly expanded beyond Judo/Jiu-Jitsu's original moves and mindset. Almost all the time is spent groundwork. Additionally, groundwork is also learned much quicker than stand-up grappling. Three months and you will be taking the average joe on the ground. It's focus on active sparring is superb.

Con: Most clubs spend less than 5% on stand-up. This makes it a great compliment to another art but is not a stand alone self-defense system.


Myself

I chose Judo three years ago as it covers the stand-up grappling phase of fighting and will cover most guys on the ground. I may look into a striking system in a couple years.

Even with my bias against striking, anything you choose and spend time on, will put you a notch above the average guy. Your physical stamina may increase, you may not panic as much when someone is in your personal space, and you will have a lot of fun.

If all you are looking for simply a great workout then I would choose BJJ, wrestling, judo, jiu-jitsu, or kickboxing/muay thai in that order.

Good luck!
 

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What everyone else said about ground work. I would avoid the useless martial arts like Karate, Tae Kwon Do, and Kickboxing. Great workouts, but no real application in real life.
 
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