Thinking about my lifetime of extreme underachieving with women

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I'm probably the biggest underachiever when it comes to women and dating in the entire ****ing world. Not only am I very strong in all the superficial areas (and have been for quite some time) but I'm also very intelligent socially and emotionally - able to read people's moods, know what to say to make them feel comfortable, etc... I've had dozens, maybe hundreds of friends over the years and that's not a coincidence.

the reality of the situation is that I've caused my own downfall in dating. Because of my childhood of growing up fat destroying my confidence with women, I convinced myself that I could not be good enough to get a girl because women only want a man who is impossibly and inhumanly perfect. After high school, I pushed myself sooooooooo hard to strive for greatness in all superficial areas but I never took the time to convince myself that dating is just a normal thing that all men must succeed in (to various degrees). People have passed on their genetics for thousands of years - women are just the same as us - they're trying to get by in life. They have fears, insecurities, self doubts, hopes and dreams just like we do. I think most guys who don't get any dates have a tendency to think of women as a different subspecies of people who have this impenetrable wall of confidence who are totally perfect and only want a man who is perfect

What it comes down to is I've made something that's pretty simple into something that's extraordinarily difficult. There is nothing complicated about getting women or making friends - you see somebody you like, you make small talk about the surroundings, then make more and more personal conversation about them, what they do, what they like. Once you can't push it any further, if you feel any chemistry/rapport, you ask to continue the interaction elsewhere. The problem is the vast majority of us don't give anything close to our best effort. Things that stop you from giving good effort

- being anxious. If you're anxious around a woman, you're barely giving half your best effort
- not being confident. If you don't believe that you're worthy or capable of getting an attractive woman to love you, you can look like a male model, have a 12 inch golden diamond **** and have pickup lines written by Dave Chapelle and she will never like you.
- being desperate. The more you care, the more repulsive you will be. The less you care, the more genuine you will come across. The best social connections happen when you least expect it.
- being negative or low energy. People want to hang out with someone who is naturally positive and vibrant and energetic (not too much of course)

How you feel is very contagious. If you're happy, comfortable with yourself, positive, etc... Women feel the same way around you. If you're miserable, negative, awkward, desperate - women feel that also (the same thing is true with making friends). This is what I mean when I say vast majority of us don't give anywhere near our best effort in socializing. If you're not very confident, positive, etc... you're not giving anywhere near your best effort.

The reason most guys who suck with women can't get any better is because they've convinced themselves they're not good enough. You cannot get any better with dating until you convince yourself that you're worthy and good enough to have a beautiful woman love you and you have to believe it 100%. I'll give you guys an example of what I'm talking about - the reason I'm so good at making friends is because when I see somebody, I don't give a **** if it's a group of models, I automatically know I can make them like me on a platonic level and my success rate is huge. When I saw a hot girl for all these years, I automatically doubted myself because I didn't think I was worthy of them loving me. If I believed that I could make that hot girl like me, my interaction with her would naturally be very positive but I have to believe in myself. Whether you think you can or you think you can't - it's true.

Most of us really need to stop putting the ***** on the pedestal also. You go to a bar and you see a beautiful bartender and you automatically think you need to be a billionaire to make her like you. This is a woman who works at a bar and probably makes 40K a year - she is not curing cancer. There is nothing special about her

Steps to confidence

1)STOP putting the p*ssy on pedestal
2)Work to improve yourself in all areas. If you're already a decent looking dude, in shape, have a decent job, are genuinely a good person, you're in the top 10 percentile of men easily
3)Appreciate your positive traits, stop being so harsh on yourself. We don't have to be perfect to be good enough - most people care more about your character than your body fat percentage.
 

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Most of us really need to start putting the ***** on the pedestal. You go to a bar and you see a beautiful bartender and you automatically think you can have sex with her in no time. This is a woman who works at a bar and probably makes 80K a year - she is VERY IMPORTANT TO SOCIETY. SHE IS VERY VERY SPECIAL.

Steps to confidence

1)PUT the p*ssy on pedestal
2)Don't work on yourself. If you have game, you are in the top 10 percentile of men easily
3)Dwell on your negative traits, be harsh on yourself. We have to be perfect - most women care about what you can DO FOR THEM than your body fat percentage.
 

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Most of us really need to start putting the ***** on the pedestal. You go to a bar and you see a beautiful bartender and you automatically think you can have sex with her in no time. This is a woman who works at a bar and probably makes 80K a year - she is VERY IMPORTANT TO SOCIETY. SHE IS VERY VERY SPECIAL.

Steps to confidence

1)PUT the p*ssy on pedestal
2)Don't work on yourself. If you have game, you are in the top 10 percentile of men easily
3)Dwell on your negative traits, be harsh on yourself. We have to be perfect - most women care about what you can DO FOR THEM than your body fat percentage.
So OP, just gonna let you know right now not to listen to this guy because he’s having withdrawal symprtoms from his crack pipe. Hallucinations make you say and do things that are completely nonsensical.
 

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So OP, just gonna let you know right now not to listen to this guy because he’s having withdrawal symprtoms from his crack pipe. Hallucinations make you say and do things that are completely nonsensical.
I'm not on the pipe and am making complete 100% sense.

It's the OP who is smoking.
 

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I'm probably the biggest underachiever when it comes to women and dating in the entire ****ing world. Not only am I very strong in all the superficial areas (and have been for quite some time) but I'm also very intelligent socially and emotionally - able to read people's moods, know what to say to make them feel comfortable, etc... I've had dozens, maybe hundreds of friends over the years and that's not a coincidence.

the reality of the situation is that I've caused my own downfall in dating. Because of my childhood of growing up fat destroying my confidence with women, I convinced myself that I could not be good enough to get a girl because women only want a man who is impossibly and inhumanly perfect. After high school, I pushed myself sooooooooo hard to strive for greatness in all superficial areas but I never took the time to convince myself that dating is just a normal thing that all men must succeed in (to various degrees). People have passed on their genetics for thousands of years - women are just the same as us - they're trying to get by in life. They have fears, insecurities, self doubts, hopes and dreams just like we do. I think most guys who don't get any dates have a tendency to think of women as a different subspecies of people who have this impenetrable wall of confidence who are totally perfect and only want a man who is perfect

What it comes down to is I've made something that's pretty simple into something that's extraordinarily difficult. There is nothing complicated about getting women or making friends - you see somebody you like, you make small talk about the surroundings, then make more and more personal conversation about them, what they do, what they like. Once you can't push it any further, if you feel any chemistry/rapport, you ask to continue the interaction elsewhere. The problem is the vast majority of us don't give anything close to our best effort. Things that stop you from giving good effort

- being anxious. If you're anxious around a woman, you're barely giving half your best effort
- not being confident. If you don't believe that you're worthy or capable of getting an attractive woman to love you, you can look like a male model, have a 12 inch golden diamond **** and have pickup lines written by Dave Chapelle and she will never like you.
- being desperate. The more you care, the more repulsive you will be. The less you care, the more genuine you will come across. The best social connections happen when you least expect it.
- being negative or low energy. People want to hang out with someone who is naturally positive and vibrant and energetic (not too much of course)

How you feel is very contagious. If you're happy, comfortable with yourself, positive, etc... Women feel the same way around you. If you're miserable, negative, awkward, desperate - women feel that also (the same thing is true with making friends). This is what I mean when I say vast majority of us don't give anywhere near our best effort in socializing. If you're not very confident, positive, etc... you're not giving anywhere near your best effort.

The reason most guys who suck with women can't get any better is because they've convinced themselves they're not good enough. You cannot get any better with dating until you convince yourself that you're worthy and good enough to have a beautiful woman love you and you have to believe it 100%. I'll give you guys an example of what I'm talking about - the reason I'm so good at making friends is because when I see somebody, I don't give a **** if it's a group of models, I automatically know I can make them like me on a platonic level and my success rate is huge. When I saw a hot girl for all these years, I automatically doubted myself because I didn't think I was worthy of them loving me. If I believed that I could make that hot girl like me, my interaction with her would naturally be very positive but I have to believe in myself. Whether you think you can or you think you can't - it's true.

Most of us really need to stop putting the ***** on the pedestal also. You go to a bar and you see a beautiful bartender and you automatically think you need to be a billionaire to make her like you. This is a woman who works at a bar and probably makes 40K a year - she is not curing cancer. There is nothing special about her

Steps to confidence

1)STOP putting the p*ssy on pedestal
2)Work to improve yourself in all areas. If you're already a decent looking dude, in shape, have a decent job, are genuinely a good person, you're in the top 10 percentile of men easily
3)Appreciate your positive traits, stop being so harsh on yourself. We don't have to be perfect to be good enough - most people care more about your character than your body fat percentage.

This is a big improvement.

Keep it up !
 

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getting good at this stuff as a regular guy will probably be the hardest thing you will ever try to achieve in your life.. so don't be to hard on yourself, it requires a core fundamental change of most of the beliefs you've had growing up. it goes way deeper then you think.

verrrryyyyy very few guys actually make it in this success with woman rabbit hole.

very rarely do I meet guys that are good with girls(and I seek them out), and I've been going out for over a year 4-6 hours a night on most weekends. naturals are the easiest dudes to make friends with, a fellow like minded player that likes to pimp chicks hahah

the last dude that I made great friends with worked doing porn scenes with well known porn stars, LOL the guy was absolutly brutal seeing him game, I literally just walked into the bar and we started opening sets together like we were long lost pals. took me forever to find another player.

anyway like I said it's rare, so don't get discouraged if you're not progressing as fast as you want to, society breeds excellent worker bees and it breeds virtually no seducers. that wouldn't be good for the main stream narrative. everybody thinks they need to work 24/7 get as much money possible, and marry, guys are seeking the hottest woman they can find, throw a ring on their finger, think it's a guarentied sacred union under god for life, and hoard a beaufitul creature inside of a castle away from other men. that I'm still trying to weasel my way in their and fvck because I know how much a chode her husband is, lawl.

you have to realize the world mostly is COMPLETELY UTTERLY geared into trying to keep men and woman marrying and forming the typical "nuclear" family. some countrys woman are stoned to death for adultery, think about that when your trying to gang bang multiple chicks in a huge orge out of a nightclub. lawl

so in that case sexual shame and social conditioning are the real fundamental factors you have to get a grip on starting out. when you realize finaly that yourself and nearly every single woman have been sexual shamed to death in their upbringing.

so going from a nice guy worker to a pimped out mother****er is quite a dramatic change.
not sure what youre like in person, who you are or what your beliefs are I'm just talking about the average idiots you see flooding the bars getting drunk as possible trying to find em' a wife.
 

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getting good at this stuff as a regular guy will probably be the hardest thing you will ever try to achieve in your life..
not really. If you are a good catch (say decent looking, good job, in shape, etc...), approach women and you believe in yourself, women will be attracted to you everywhere you go

How do you think I've made friends everywhere I went all these years? I believed in myself

If I believed in myself when it comes to women, I would have had many many super hot GFs by now
 

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If you HAVE a good GAME (say YOU KNOW HOW TO MANIPULATE GIRLS.), women will be attracted to you everywhere you go

How do you think IVE HAD SEX WITH THE WOMEN IVE MET all these years? I believed in myself

If I believed in myself when it comes to FRIENDS, I would have had many many MORE FRIENDS by now
 
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If you HAVE a good GAME (say YOU KNOW HOW TO MANIPULATE GIRLS.), women will be attracted to you everywhere you go

How do you think IVE HAD SEX WITH THE WOMEN IVE MET all these years? I believed in myself

If I believed in myself when it comes to FRIENDS, I would have had many many MORE FRIENDS by now
How exactly do you have to manipulate them? Be as detailed as possible.

Are you sure this is necessary?
 

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What it comes down to is I've made something that's pretty simple into something that's extraordinarily difficult. There is nothing complicated about getting women or making friends - you see somebody you like, you make small talk about the surroundings, then make more and more personal conversation about them, what they do, what they like. Once you can't push it any further, if you feel any chemistry/rapport, you ask to continue the interaction elsewhere. The problem is the vast majority of us don't give anything close to our best effort. Things that stop you from giving good effort
I also feel like the biggest underachiever out there. I'm in the top 10% in most areas; I'm tall, good looking, financially secure, sociable and a good conversationalist. Shyness was my main weakness for a long time and I always told myself once I solve that issue I would bang every model out there.

You know what. I kind have solved the shyness problem and now approach many women. I get the digits 75% of the time....but you know what. Only 10% of that results in a date. A lot of cancelled dates, "too busy" to meet responses or simply ghosting. I mastered the "approach and get the number" technique. It's the escalation part that's killing me.
 

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I also feel like the biggest underachiever out there. I'm in the top 10% in most areas; I'm tall, good looking, financially secure, sociable and a good conversationalist. Shyness was my main weakness for a long time and I always told myself once I solve that issue I would bang every model out there.

You know what. I kind have solved the shyness problem and now approach many women. I get the digits 75% of the time....but you know what. Only 10% of that results in a date. A lot of cancelled dates, "too busy" to meet responses or simply ghosting. I mastered the "approach and get the number" technique. It's the escalation part that's killing me.
dude 10% date ratio is not that bad. I would say 20-30% is a little more desirable but 10 is still ok
 
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