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Thinking about learning a martial art? Consider this video first.
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Da Realist
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And if he could grapple more than one person at a time in a street fight, it would be perfect.
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ww2 combatives + a grappling art + weapons + balls= higher rate of survival.
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if this was a real fight it would have gone down much differently.
What you are seeing is SPORT fighting - UFC, ultimate etc. etc.
Because, if it was a real fight - and someone comes in to graple you to the floor - a thumb in the eye would stop this real fast.
Without eye gouging allowed the flight becomes a wrestle match.
these ultimate fights, by nature of their rules, remove a number of martial artists most potent weapons.
I've trained countless hours on what to do under a "take down" situation. Notice, in most of these fights, the grappler charges in for the tackle to the floor. You've got some real options at that point. you've got eye gouging, neck breaks, strikes to the back of the neck, wind pipe, temple, kick to the face, knee.
I don't think these fights necessarily speak for how a real fight would go down.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to poo poo these fights - or the strength of grappling, holds and breaks - because to be an all round fighter, you definitely need these.
What you are seeing is SPORT fighting - UFC, ultimate etc. etc.
Because, if it was a real fight - and someone comes in to graple you to the floor - a thumb in the eye would stop this real fast.
Without eye gouging allowed the flight becomes a wrestle match.
these ultimate fights, by nature of their rules, remove a number of martial artists most potent weapons.
I've trained countless hours on what to do under a "take down" situation. Notice, in most of these fights, the grappler charges in for the tackle to the floor. You've got some real options at that point. you've got eye gouging, neck breaks, strikes to the back of the neck, wind pipe, temple, kick to the face, knee.
I don't think these fights necessarily speak for how a real fight would go down.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to poo poo these fights - or the strength of grappling, holds and breaks - because to be an all round fighter, you definitely need these.
Phoenix_of_the_ashes
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Re: Re: Thinking about learning a martial art? Consider this video first.
Naturally kendo because swords are against the rules.
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yeah I suppose a sword art like kenjutsu
would be better.
would be better.
Ha, this is just like UFC on spike tv. This reminded me of it where someone tapped out of a rear naken choke. The guy in the white could have done it.
That ground fight thing just looks gay.
Just like UFC except people are going crazy.
That ground fight thing just looks gay.
Just like UFC except people are going crazy.
Phoenix_of_the_ashes
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Well your the faggot so the jokes on you!!!
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You cant really poke the guys eye, cuz a smart grappler gets so close to you that you have no room for any punching etc. Only slight movements are avaliable when a person is ontop of you like that. Yes the person int he yellow shorts couldve gotten out of the hold but he suks haha
I personally take karate and it revolves around punching kicking and grapping... but doesnt specialize in any
I think karate is good cuz its kinda rare (depending on life-style) that you are in a fight where someone does all that stuff to you. Most fights is punching then on the floor and once you get control of that you win
I personally take karate and it revolves around punching kicking and grapping... but doesnt specialize in any
I think karate is good cuz its kinda rare (depending on life-style) that you are in a fight where someone does all that stuff to you. Most fights is punching then on the floor and once you get control of that you win
If you're allowed weapons, then I'd have to say the most effective art would be special forces counter-terrorist training. My old MP5 or under and over M4+M203 40mm bomb launcher would sort out most problems in the ring. Then there's always the trusty desert eagle or sig sauer as a secondary...
hahaha well if grenades are optional i'll take that..
but yes learning some kind of karate type thing would be useful, if you dont have a sword or machine gun at hand. (and usually you dont.. well at least i dont
although i dont think many people could find time to learn and master a whole type of fighting style! right?
but yes learning some kind of karate type thing would be useful, if you dont have a sword or machine gun at hand. (and usually you dont.. well at least i dont
although i dont think many people could find time to learn and master a whole type of fighting style! right?
Martial arts are not combat training. Martial arts are sports. Even the martial arts that claim to be "street practical" are still trained as, and competed as, sports.
Here in Seattle there is a firing range / firearms store that offers a course in self-defense taught by a former Green Beret. It's a couple hundred dollars for twelve hours of instruction in throws, chokes, eye gouges, etc. -- real techniques. I'm certain that classes like this are offered in other places in the country. I paid for my kid sister to take this class before she went off to college.
Or you can do what I did -- join the Marines and learn how to shatter skulls, snap spines, crush windpipes, tear off genitalia, and other fun stuff. Because that's the kind of $#!+ you'll need to know to walk away after an actual fight.
Here in Seattle there is a firing range / firearms store that offers a course in self-defense taught by a former Green Beret. It's a couple hundred dollars for twelve hours of instruction in throws, chokes, eye gouges, etc. -- real techniques. I'm certain that classes like this are offered in other places in the country. I paid for my kid sister to take this class before she went off to college.
Or you can do what I did -- join the Marines and learn how to shatter skulls, snap spines, crush windpipes, tear off genitalia, and other fun stuff. Because that's the kind of $#!+ you'll need to know to walk away after an actual fight.
There are two roads of kung-fu. There's kungfu shaolin and kungfu toa. Shaolin is more of a dance martial art, while toa is more combat "what works in a fight" style. That said, im practicing a kungfu toa style. It is similar to Kickboxing, but with a wole lot of other tequnikes added to it.
Basicly, if you whant to win a fight, take up boxing and wresling for a year. Better to knock a guy out than to lock him in an armbar. You cant hold him forever, and chanses are -he'll come after you again. If you knock him out, you can walk away with pride. Breake his arm using a jujitsu tequnike, and you may not be allowed to continue practicing jujitsu.
Basicly, if you whant to win a fight, take up boxing and wresling for a year. Better to knock a guy out than to lock him in an armbar. You cant hold him forever, and chanses are -he'll come after you again. If you knock him out, you can walk away with pride. Breake his arm using a jujitsu tequnike, and you may not be allowed to continue practicing jujitsu.
A month back, me and my friend were at my friends place. In his basement, we tested his grappling moves individually. He knew the basics and knew enough to avoid hurting us, in the end we tapped and he had us.
Ok i thought maybe that was a minor setback, maybe if i learned some martial arts it would help. There's this kung fu place around campus i was planning to visit and even join...but now im having doubts.
but, after watching this video of kungfu vs juijitsu (grappling), im very convinced in its effectiveness. Convinced to learn it too.
In terms of learning a defensive (or offensive martial arts) would you guys advise this as a priority over other martial arts?
Ok i thought maybe that was a minor setback, maybe if i learned some martial arts it would help. There's this kung fu place around campus i was planning to visit and even join...but now im having doubts.
but, after watching this video of kungfu vs juijitsu (grappling), im very convinced in its effectiveness. Convinced to learn it too.
In terms of learning a defensive (or offensive martial arts) would you guys advise this as a priority over other martial arts?
1) Depends on the teacher, and how he/she teaches.
2) Depends on the student (ie. Idiots don't learn...)
3) Fatigue, nutrition, muscular and cardio endurance come into play.
4) Anything can happen. You could slip and break your neck on even the softest surface- unlikely, but not impossible.
To conclude: Depends on the individual, environment and HOW they're taught. Not what.
2) Depends on the student (ie. Idiots don't learn...)
3) Fatigue, nutrition, muscular and cardio endurance come into play.
4) Anything can happen. You could slip and break your neck on even the softest surface- unlikely, but not impossible.
To conclude: Depends on the individual, environment and HOW they're taught. Not what.
Every fight I've ever been in (with the exception of one-punch wonders in parochial school that had the other kid running off crying) has involved close-quarters, i.e., grappling. And as far as I can remember, every serious fight in my adult life -- in and out of the military -- has gone to the ground.
This is not TV. If you expect that some guy is going to dance around and punch at you the way they do on Walker Texas Ranger, you're asking to be hospitalized.
If you're ever in an actual fight -- not some bull$#!+ "I'm harder than you, yo," poseur-gangsta prettyboy b!tchslap fest -- you need to know how to throw, and lock, and choke, and break out of holds, and how to use the ground to your advantage.
Grappling is part of fighting. So is delivering a punch, so is delivering a kick, and so is learning how to acknowledge pain and not freak out when you spit your own teeth into the street.
If you want to learn how to defend yourself under dangerous circumstances, you'd better not be worried about "how it looks." A seasoned street fighter will kill you.