Think Tank: is gaming women really what we should be about?

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Disclaimer: long rant, something might be news but probably not. So if you read all this and walk away dumber, you have only yourself to blame.

Been doing some thinking lately, and the more I think the more I conclude that maybe I have a wrong understanding of the way things are/should be. We have sites like this, books on dating, the entire PUA/DJ/whatever community - all about how to lay chicks. Within the context of these resources, everything in-between (confidence, lines, routines, even some self improvement) is just a means to an end: having sex with women.

But really, is this what we should be about? Is this how we should be spending our time? Don't get me wrong - I love women, and I love sexing them. I'm by no means a PUA, but then again I don't have the self motivation of Mystery or Style. In the end, will they even be remembered by the world? Do more than a handful of guys even know them? I'm not trying to start some honorable crusade, but I would like to discuss the whole institution of the DJ/PUA from a higher, more mature perspective and maybe shed some light on my own path to higher knowledge and personal growth.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that gaming girls is fun, thrilling, and definitely teaches you a thing or two, but is it really something you look back on and think to yourself, "I spent my time wisely"? The reason I say this is because the more I read on this site and about seduction, the more it seems like a chore rather than something that should JUST HAPPEN. It's like there's some process, some X amount of "stuff" you have to do before you can get with a girl. You qualify her, she qualifies you, you do this she does that blah blah blah.

So what if you banged 1000 chicks by the time you die. Great. It still won't fill that void. What have you accomplished that satisfies your existence? Yes there are greats like Casanova, but his life's work wasn't just gaming girls - it was writing thousands of pages of personal memoirs about seduction which has taught us many valuable lessons. And while a lot of us do want to spread our seed, so to speak, I doubt many will write much about it.

It just doesn't seem right when you look at the whole picture. I see countless posts on "why do women like Brad Pitt" or "why do women like rock stars" or "why do women like so and so but not me". I don't think it's because those people are anything special. Brad Pitt is average at best without makeup and if you've seen him in his early acting days he looked like a straight up fag. Rockstars? Please. And it's not just the entertainers who get to hit it. It seems to be that it's more people who DO SOMETHING with their lives that attract pvssy rather than wasting time doing openers, getting numbers, following up, yada yada.

This is probably nothing new. I recently listened to the audio version of the book "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus". Half the book sucks, but that's my personal opinion. However, there was a very good point about respecting differences between the sexes. The author pointed out that women feel accomplished in life through the quality of their relationships whereas men feel accomplished in life through the quality of their achievements. In other words women are temporarily satisfied when their relationship(s) are going well. Men are temporarily satisfied when they've accomplished some goal (getting a promotion, lifting some weight you've never lifted before, setting some personal best, etc).

What I took away from all this is that THESE DIFFERENCES are what attract us to one another. We are attracted to women because they provide something we're not the best at: managing relationships. Women are attracted to us because we provide something they're not the best at: setting and accomplishing goals. It's almost too obvious to me when I think about it in every aspect of life. How many women do you see in the gym with male personal trainers? Tons. How many guys have female personal trainers? That's what I thought. How many of you discuss your problems with your bros? How many chicks discuss their goals with their girlfriends?

Anyway, what I'm getting at is this: why should we waste our time going out of our way to pick up girls? Why not use that time to become what girls want and are naturally attracted to in the first place: a man who has a passion in life that's NOT a woman.

One of the girls I'm dating right now has told me a lot about what she thinks of me and why she's so attracted (alcohol - gotta love the truth serum). About how I have an obsessive personality (I do) and when I'm really interested in something I go all out to achieve it. She told me that of all the things she wants to take away from our relationship, it is the hope that some of my intrinsic motivation will rub off on her. Sure I may look good in her eyes, or have other male qualities, but I feel it is this drive to accomplish something in life, to be someone great, that attracts women. These rock stars, at least the really successful ones that people will remember, are about music. The women see this passion, this drive to achieve goals. THAT's what drives them wild.

I could be completely wrong about all this. But maybe there's some truth to it and that's why I'm sharing. What do you think?
 

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I'm not sure what you're expecting. Do you expect women to come knocking at your door offering you sex? You have to leave the house and take the initiative to meet women. You can choose to do so in a way that's skillful, or you can bumble around as before. You have to pursue women in the majority of cases, especially women who are physically attractive and especially physically attractive women who have their act together. Or, cut off your balls and give up. Learning seduction techniques and "being/becoming a man" are not exactly mutually exclusive activities.

Try not to create dichotomies where none exist and you will be a happier, less confused person.


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md3sign said:
So what if you banged 1000 chicks by the time you die. Great. It still won't fill that void. What have you accomplished that satisfies your existence?
You can't really say that since everybody is different and therefore is fulfilled by different things. And you'd be surprised when you dig around deep inside your head what really makes you tick.

It took me a long time to not only realize but accept what truly drives me. If you had asked me for most of my life what I wanted most, what would be my biggest potential accomplishment, I would have told you to be a professional musician.

If you had asked me why, I would have told you because I had this deeply rooted message of years of personal anguish and torment that I wanted the world to hear. I thought that was the end of it. But the question I never asked myself was, "Why is it so hellaciously important for the world to hear this message, and why do I feel this way in the first place?" And even moreso, would I feel any better after it was heard?

The conclusion I came to was that the root cause of most of my misery was ostricision and lack of acceptence. It was never being treated as an equal by guys and NEVER BEING ACCEPTED BY THE WOMEN I WANTED.

I was living a **** quality life because I was an AFC. I was reminded daily of how unhappy I was because I had to watch everybody around me live the life that I wanted.

So ultimately, my original life goal was nothing more than a band aid fix for a problem that had a better solution. Don't ***** about it. Fix it. And that's exactly what this forum has been helping me do. I've gotten more out of 6 months of reading this stuff than I ever have out of 13 years of songwriting.

I'm not saying it's not good to have goals in life, but for me personally, my ultimate goal was to become what this site teaches.




md3sign said:
Men are temporarily satisfied when they've accomplished some goal (getting a promotion, lifting some weight you've never lifted before, setting some personal best, etc).
Or sleeping with 1,000 women. That's certainly a goal. And it's rarely accomplished. You'd be in elite company with the likes of Wilt Chamberlin and probably even Gene Simmons.




md3sign said:
These rock stars, at least the really successful ones that people will remember, are about music. The women see this passion, this drive to achieve goals. THAT's what drives them wild.
Are you kidding? Most of the rock stars that have throngs of groupies aren't about the music at all. They're about the lifestyle. That excess and party atmosphere is what attracts the women.

The bands who are truly in it for the art generally have zero female admirers. Case in point, where would you be more likely to see lots of hot girls flashing their breasts and trying to sleep with the band members; a Kid Rock show or a Mars Volta show?
 

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OK... I'm REALLY not in the league of most of the people here... but banging 1000 chicks isn't necessarily a selfish thing.

In the last few months or so I've probably fooled around with five or six girls. No biggie, but a lot more than I'm used to. And from the responses I'm getting from those girls, I'm pretty good at what I'm doing (once I get over the nervousness, that is). They want more.

Now, my previous feeling was that guys get the most out of sex by a long shot. But recent events have shown me that's not necessarily true... it's just that so many guys are flat out selfish and/or sh*tty in bed. Girls REALLY LIKE a guy who knows what he's doing (or in my case, seems to have a second sense).

So if you go out and "bang" 1000 girls... and YOU DO IT RIGHT... you're spreading a lot of pleasure around. I'd say that's doing the world a good thing. Especially if you've planted seeds of the mental variety too, waking up said girls to different worlds of being with guys in not only a sexual but a social and spiritual context.
 

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the sentiment in the original post is correct i think....

but the issue is this: SEX IS A NEED. we are designed to be sexual. SO, let us rephrase the sentinment:

- life is NOT ALL ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING TO EAT. THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN THAT.

- UNLESS - you have nothing to eat. then, getting something to eat is of paramount importance beyond all other considerations.

this is how to understand this board and all the talk, bs, etc therein.
 

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Delta said:
the sentiment in the original post is correct i think....

but the issue is this: SEX IS A NEED. we are designed to be sexual. SO, let us rephrase the sentinment:

- life is NOT ALL ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING TO EAT. THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN THAT.

- UNLESS - you have nothing to eat. then, getting something to eat is of paramount importance beyond all other considerations.

this is how to understand this board and all the talk, bs, etc therein.
Wow.

You know what? I never really thought about it this way. For some ten or so years I got absolutely NO sex except once... and if you consider sex a "need" than it's pretty amazing I even survived. No wonder I'm so messed up in the head about this stuff... and no wonder it's taking me so long to get out of the funk.
 

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realsmoothie said:
Wow.

You know what? I never really thought about it this way. For some ten or so years I got absolutely NO sex except once... and if you consider sex a "need" than it's pretty amazing I even survived. No wonder I'm so messed up in the head about this stuff... and no wonder it's taking me so long to get out of the funk.
i havent gotten a piece and im turning 26. Welcome to my world
 

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Dude, check my age. I'm 32.

I did get laid, at 17. For about five months.

Then again at around 27.

In the last year, after a year or two of recovery??? Heh, let's just say things are a lot better. Not a whole lot of actual f*cking, but a lot of fooling around.

So don't worry, things can definitely turn around. You've got six years on me!
 

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but yeah man, i got NOTHING. NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. Its really frustrating.. Every day i fvcking wake up man, every sing fvcking hour i think about this ****. I'm gona a have a break down. On the outside, people see me confident. (and i'm not ugly, women flirt with me, asking me if i have a gf.. etc etc. It got to the point where some would give me their number and chase me).
But on the inside, im starting deteriorating mentally.

Recently, This chick at work got interested in me. She is still in HS and is 18. She GAVE me her number cause she just got a cellphone. Called her up once last week with along with a couple of text messages. I Played my game right by not giving her anythingo n V-day and by rarely going to her department to talk to her. This other guy at worked failed miserably with her. Whenever he would call her, she wouldn't pick up even though he got her flowers, visisted her at her department, etc.

WHenever, I call her, she picks up!!!! BUT so far, ive done all the calling 90% of the time and whenever I text, she would respond. I never called her on a friday or saturday.

ARE HIGH SCHOOL CHICKS who just turned 18 like this?????????? or she just messin with me. I lowered my standards already.. I mean this chick dated 2 ugly chubbier dudes who were shorter and one than me who had way less game than me (seriously, I think). Maybe something is wrong with me? I'm 5'7 at 165 lbs.. some muscle. Need to loose more weight? OR MAYBE, im playing A LITTLE TOOOOO HARD to get?

Omg, feels better to vent out here. If i told this to my friends, they would so see me in a such different perspective.

I shouldve made a new thread for this..
 

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First a disclaimer: I'm not about banging 1000 women. I'm not an expert PUA.

I am about getting what I need to be happy without unduly damaging others, and I have been around the block a few times. I've learned the hard way what works and what doesn't with women, and I have to say that in stumbling across this site I was sort of surprised and pleased to find a community of guys who "get it" for the most part.

So that's why I'm here.

To answer what I think the point or question is, no, it's not about sexing the maximum number of women possible. It's about understanding how women and men work best together and using that to improve your life and that of the woman or women in it.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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People should have a purpose in life; it a guy's sole purpose is to bed as many women as possible rock on! :rockon: Although there is much more to life that just having sex. To each his own.
 

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Good post, it poses some interesting questions. <---Edit: how gay does that sound?!

My opinion on the matter is this: the two things you're talking about, 1) Seducing and having sex with women by any means neccessary and 2) Achieving something of real value in your life, are not mutually exclusive.

You seem to suggest that a man can't do both...the truth is, especially with young guys, like me and you, we haven't really had the chance to achieve anything great, I mean, I'm passionate about several things, playing music is one of them, but I'm not a rockstar yet, so in the meantime I'm going to fvck women however I possibly can. Its the same with university. I study, but I haven't got a job or achieved anything in that field...yet. However I'm sure I will do one day.

Its oviously OK to pursue your passions and while you're still effectively a "nobody" (for want of a better word) use community techniques to get women. I think the problem comes when people (people who are like Mystery and the other technique-sex-repeat junkies) put seducing women above their passions and ambitions. As long as you achieve a balance and get your priorities straight, and most importantly, can separate "game" from real relationships, then you will be A-OK using seduction techniques and whatnot.

Just my 2 cents :D
 

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verysuave said:
OR MAYBE, im playing A LITTLE TOOOOO HARD to get?
Well, duh. The girl responds to all your calls... and you haven't seen her outside of work yet? MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T ASKED HER OUT!?!?!?!?!'

Are you playing hard to get... or are you just wussing out and not taking the next step?

Hang out here and you'll find all manner of good information to help you on your quest. Trust me, it's done me a world of good.
 

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I just read the title, but let me say I have bad trips about this all the time, usually when I am on a downlow.

My answer: it's not what we should be about, but it's DEFINITELY something important.

I want to be desired. I am sick and tired of negotiating it, of going AFC about it. I want real desire, the desire that the top guys get, the one I am sure I've never experienced fully (yet). That kind that a girl could do literally everything just to be around you.

Like RT says...

A woman who wants to fvck you will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fvck the sh!t out of you and wait patiently inside your closet when your wife comes home early from work - women who want to fvck will find a way to fvck.
It may be my personal way of making for so much time of rejection, but fvck it, I will do it cause I want to. I prefer to say it sucked AFTER I did it than putting into my head that it is not important just to find out that I betrayed myself.
 
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