Things I've seen that prevent success

[everywomanshero]

I've noticed a reoccuring theme of why my friends and I get laid and many other guys who go out with us do not. Here is my list. I am not the devine authority on this, but if you fix these problems you will definitely get laid.

1. Hygene: Brush teeth, go to dentist, trim nosehair, wear deorderant/cologne, have at least 2 girls critique your wardrobe/shoes/hair back of neck is shaved, and hair is restyled/trimmed at least monthly. If you have no idea what to do with hair pick up a magazine and ask women in the bookstore what might look good on you. Long hair is a huge no no unless you've specifically been told it looks good on you.

2. Attitude: There is billions of women on earth so don't act like every interaction has to end with her barefoot and pregnant. Actually, just go out to have fun and don't care what happens at all. Stop pressuring yourself in any way other than to go out and talk to women for fun. I believe weight lifting and/or some sort of grappling are also good for your attitude. I do not recommend doing anything that results in missing teeth, though

3. Thinking too much: Read a few articles but then it's time to go out and put it to use. Actually, if you have to choose between reading or going out.. go out. Buy an audio CD program and listen to them en route if you're really pressed for time.

4. Bad Wingmen: One thing that can absolutely trash your success with women is a bad wingman. Your internal state will largely determine your success. Continous Bad Feedback or other negativity from a wingman will ruin your success with women. It is better to go out solo than with someone who lowers your state. If someone is making your life worse, then he or she must change or go.

5. Getting involved in XYZ camp is better than ABC camp: All of this stuff works. I laid hot strippers using Louis and Copeland's program. I've laid hot chicks using things I learned from MM. I've turned relationships around with ideas I got on this board. I've laid chicks using Swinggcats stuff. Guys have even laid chicks using AFC techniques, although they usually can't keep them long if anything better comes around.

6. Excuses: No excuses. Guys with missing hands are getting laid!

7. Not carrying a condom: Believe it or not, this has happened to me on several occasions.

8. I'm going to go talk to her right after ____: An extension of number 6. 3 second rule is being violated. You definitely need the 3 second rule.

9. Micromanging: Once you're doing well with women you can micromanage if you want to. However, in the beginning all you're doing is killing yourself. You don't know enough to figure out what you're doing wrong, and it's only serving to kill your state (and your chances of success). Focus on approaching consistently and having fun. Nix any wingmang that starts micromanaging and kiling your state. Go out alone or with good friends if you can't find an excellent wingman.

10. Caring too much: Face it, if you've sucked with women your whole life it is going to take time. You will probably loose most of the women who pass your initial tests. You really have to let go of outcome and view this as a huge experiment.

This stuff has kept me laid by a large variety of women. While it's true I am better looking than the average man, I think I would still have a lot of success even if I were below average looking.

 

[Don Juanabbe]

Good post.

 

[saki]

I like your post, it has some encouraging stuff. Were you getting laid before this stuff, caz your good-looking?

 

[upsidedownside7]

To everyman's hero:

I like the post especially the excuses part but clarify what worked from Louis and Copeland, what worked from mystery method. Set up the scenario so we can get a feel on how it worked. From there we can use common sense to calibrate what happened. Tangible experiences from the field are going to make a lot more sense than a list.

 

[Warlord]

1. Hygene: Brush teeth, go to dentist, trim nosehair, wear deorderant/cologne, have at least 2 girls critique your wardrobe/shoes/hair back of neck is shaved, and hair is restyled/trimmed at least monthly. If you have no idea what to do with hair pick up a magazine and ask women in the bookstore what might look good on you. Long hair is a huge no no unless you've specifically been told it looks good on you.

Depends on how you keep your hair. I have long hair reaching my shoulders and I personally think is how you carry yourself overall and what kind of girl you're trying to attract.

 

[everywomanshero]

Yea, I know guys whose long hair works in their favor and it fits in with their identity. However, most women I have asked don't like long hair, because of the number of guys who don't manage it properly. The blanket statement doesn't apply to everyone as Warlord has pointed out.

From Louis and Copeland, they assign missions which are useful. "What's the story behind xyz" can work as long it's not an ordinary thing you're questioning. They have some generally useful advice about not taking things too seriously, taking the lead, and getting out there to approach women. It's just really basic stuff to get you motivated and get you out into the field. They also have some prescripted stuff for seducing women online which works OK as a spamming tatic. Guys who have no game and want to try Internet dating pretty much have to resort to spamming to get something going for them. However, you won't get much out of the program unless you start approaching women in person. They won't swamp you with information overload. If you really do the exercises you will start to get laid.

Mystery Method: This is an excellent way to start opening groups. The MM routines (spells opener, ESP #, and I'll admit stealing parts of his stories) work great on lone wolf's too. His theories on approaching, women, etc are also very motivational and help get you out there instead of putting it off. Mystery method explains frame control, but I found other sources helpful to augment. His newbie mission is excellent. When you do this you learn how to be a socially savy guy who can merge groups and have a great time. It is useful beyond picking up women.

Swinggcat: This guy's material is harder to "get". It took me a lot of time and experimenting to make some of his techniques work. Other stuff, like cold reading he explains very clearly and will start working immediately.

David D: Obviously, he takes material from damn near everywhere and broadcasts it around. I would say this is a good all purpose solution to augment whatever camp you decide to follow. Stuff like not having anywhere to watch TV besides the bedroom, getting cheap caviare/wine, and smelling her neck/shoulders might seem obvious but I never did any of this stuff until he drilled it into my head. ALl of these things help me get laid.

The main thing, IMHO, is whatever program you invest in that you must practice what you read ASAP or you'll never integrate it into you life. Find an excuse to use it. Set a date, have wine/caviar ready. Knowing about wine is very cool anyway. Louis & Copeland often get crap about being too AFC. However, this is exactly what guys just getting started need: short on information and long on action. Too much info and they take no action. All fo the programs I've mentioned will bring you closer to being a guy who gets laid.

I did get laid before any of this stuff, but not as much or easily as one would think. It was always very unreliable, and when I lost a woman it often took me a long time to find aother one. When I'd go out to clubs, I had pretty good luck meeting women. However, I wouldn't go out that often. It never really occured to me that I could do that on a regular basis. This stuff has made a huge difference, because I understand what's going on now and that it's OK.

I was obsessed with getting laid, so I probably slept with 30 in women from 4 different continents before I found out about the seduction community. If I had found it sooner it would've been a much higher #. You guys are lucky.