There is scarcity in Every Aspect of dating – A call to action for Men in Pickup

[Isildur1]

The competition in big United States cities is similar to the competition level in London on the swipe apps.

London has better pure street game options compared to most USA cities. Street approaching isn't realistic in most USA cities because a lot of USA cities had a good portion of their population growth after the invention of the automobile. They became automobile centered cities. Foot traffic is less. Many USA cities can have other outdoor game options, such as parks or paths.

The London Daygame Model was developed from approaching on the streets of London.



I disagree. What happens if a man takes too many rejections from his real life approaches? He might end up doing hundreds to thousands of real life approaches and not get a girlfriend or sex out of it.

I mean even the worst daygamers i knew would still get laid 1 in every 80-100 approaches that’s still a lot better than jerking off at home and not developing social skills- the vast majority of men do not have enough options I think that’s pretty clear looking at the posts on this forum where people complain about a flake on instagram or a flake on hinge. The volume needs to increase and daygame is the best way to do it.

I agree most American cities aren’t daygame friendly- I’m born and raised in London but spend every year in Dallas for a month or so and the quality there is horrific compared to east Asia and the footflow is very low

 

[Isildur1]

It depends on what you mean by quality. I'm in the US, so when I was saying beauty was common, I was talking about here.
But while beauty is common, character is rare.

a lot of American cities have a 30-40 percent obesity rate which means a lot of fat women ( and men )

go onto the streets of Tokyo or Seoul it’s very difficult to find any women overweight - your average American could score way hotter in the east than in the west imo

 

[SW15]

I mean even the worst daygamers i knew would still get laid 1 in every 80-100 approaches

Plenty of daygamers in the USA don't get laid 1 in every 80-100 approaches. I've known daygamers who have worse stats than that.

that’s still a lot better than jerking off at home and not developing social skills

True. The high levels of rejection in approaching strangers in real life can be soul crushing.

the vast majority of men do not have enough options I think that’s pretty clear looking at the posts on this forum where people complain about a flake on instagram or a flake on hinge.

True

I agree most American cities aren’t daygame friendly- I’m born and raised in London but spend every year in Dallas for a month or so and the quality there is horrific compared to east Asia and the footflow is very low

We have interacted on the Dallas scene thread before.

You have spent more time in the Dallas suburbs than Dallas itself. Dallas suburbs are far worse for game. However, you likely have a valid point about comparing Dallas neighborhoods closer to Downtown to areas in East Asia.

Footflow is low on most city streets in Dallas. The Katy Trail is a dedicated walking path and the best place for foot traffic in Dallas.

 

[corrector]

@GoodMan32, would you pay to smash an escort that was obese or very chubby? People here seem to have an issue with fat women.
I get turned on by lying on top of a human waterbed with titty pillows. I don't see what the big deal is?

 

[Isildur1]

The competition in big United States cities is similar to the competition level in London on the swipe apps.

London has better pure street game options compared to most USA cities. Street approaching isn't realistic in most USA cities because a lot of USA cities had a good portion of their population growth after the invention of the automobile. They became automobile centered cities. Foot traffic is less. Many USA cities can have other outdoor game options, such as parks or paths.

The London Daygame Model was developed from approaching on the streets of London.



I disagree. What happens if a man takes too many rejections from his real life approaches? He might end up doing hundreds to thousands of real life approaches and not get a girlfriend or sex out of it.

Tom torero did do daygame in Vegas as I recall

Yad spent a lot of time in California , Paul Janka roamed the streets of New York for sometime

But I visited san Fransisco recently and still believe the talent is very subpar compared to the east - Americans have it tough imo alot of hoeflation

 

[Isildur1]

Plenty of daygamers in the USA don't get laid 1 in every 80-100 approaches. I've known daygamers who have worse stats than that.



True. The high levels of rejection in approaching strangers in real life can be soul crushing.



True



We have interacted on the Dallas scene thread before.

You have spent more time in the Dallas suburbs than Dallas itself. Dallas suburbs are far worse for game. However, you likely have a valid point about comparing Dallas neighborhoods closer to Downtown to areas in East Asia.

Footflow is low on most city streets in Dallas. The Katy Trail is a dedicated walking path and the best place for foot traffic in Dallas.

Roughly my stats are 1 in 80 but in that 80 there are usually 2-3 extra who agree to dates but I don’t get laid from

I’d say around 70 percent achieve similar esque stats - 20 percent lower and 10 percent more - I’ve seen a couple of guys with ridiculously high daygame lay ratios but they were also very good looking and extremely charismatic much more so than I

I’ve also seen male models get blown out 10-20 times in a row too so I don’t think any guy has it easy out there there are no guarantees for anyone

I’ve also seen a couple of ugly people smash it out the park too in terms of daygame and I just don’t know how they do it still said ugly people still had good dress and a very positive vibe which is still very important imo

 

[Scaramouche]

@GoodMan32, would you pay to smash an escort that was obese or very chubby? People here seem to have an issue with fat women.
I get turned on by lying on top of a human waterbed with titty pillows. I don't see what the big deal is?

Hi Corrector,
Don't you know? The closer to the bone the sweeter the meat!

 

[super_soaker]

Roughly my stats are 1 in 80 but in that 80 there are usually 2-3 extra who agree to dates but I don’t get laid from

dang, that's a crazy amount of work dedicated to simply going out and walking around panhandling the streets for gash. most guys don't have the time, energy, patience, or even just the logistics of talking to that many women in a week.
i guess classically guys frame it as a 'thrill of the hunt' vs 'pleasure of sex' type of hobby, but whenever i read the approach to lay ratios of puas it reminds me of why i stopped doing cold approach entirely a long time ago.

 

[Isildur1]

dang, that's a crazy amount of work dedicated to simply going out and walking around panhandling the streets for gash. most guys don't have the time, energy, patience, or even just the logistics of talking to that many women in a week.
i guess classically guys frame it as a 'thrill of the hunt' vs 'pleasure of sex' type of hobby, but whenever i read the approach to lay ratios of puas it reminds me of why i stopped doing cold approach entirely a long time ago.

There's failure in every aspect of dating - it's still a lot more rewarding than other forms of game - you meet new wingmen, you have amazing experiences with the people you met and i met my girlfriend from doing it .

It's pretty obvious reading posts on this forum that most men lack options and the majority have a major issues garnering new prospects.

Why I believe daygame will always be the best form of dating for the majority of men to meet new women :

Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insi…

mindful-masculinity.org

 

[SW15]

why i stopped doing cold approach entirely a long time ago.

You are 74 years old. Mating relationships by that point in life look far different. It might be a real challenge to do cold approach in the 55-60+ age range anyway.

whenever i read the approach to lay ratios of puas

The approach to lay ratios of PUAs are even better case scenarios as PUAs often have a stronger skillset. Ordinary men have far worse ratio numbers than what most PUAs claim.

that's a crazy amount of work dedicated to simply going out and walking around panhandling the streets for gash. most guys don't have the time, energy, patience, or even just the logistics of talking to that many women in a week.

While the numbers are bad on real world approaching, it can take hundreds to thousands of right swipes to get a date. Often times, that date won't result in sex or a girlfriend relationship. Men seem to like swiping because they can sit at home looking unpresentable, do their swipes, and send text messages.

 

[Solomon]

There is scarcity in Every Aspect of dating – A call to action for Men in Pickup

Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insi…

mindful-masculinity.org

Theoretically we can’t all make it

If every man and woman aspires to date a 10 we can’t all date 10s as beauty in of itself is a highly scare asset . That’s what makes beauty special and banging a hot chick in of itself as a special moment. We value beauty because it’s scarce .The same way in which women value six pack abs because having a good body in of itself is scarce, women value resources and wealth because being wealthy in of itself is scarce and the majority of men – particularly in the developing world are not wealthy. Not every woman can dating a millionaire or a financially secure men- statistically the majority simply can’t -scarcity is an attractive concept and not every woman and man can attract the high tier. Not every man can date a high value woman who’s kind and down to earth either – good women are as scarce as good men in the modern world based on my experiences approaching for 4 years out of roughly 800 approaches I’d say only around 5-6 of women I dated were true “wifey” material.

In the self-help industry many men and women are bombarded with the “abundance mentality” that there are good women and men everywhere- I’d argue there isn’t , finding value and truly compatibility from high value people that can elevate your life to the next level is really rare and hard to do .

This is a bitter pill that even blackpiller's don't want to swallow. We all aren't going to make it. Life isn't fair. Yet you have men who claim solidatary but as soon as a hot piece of ass comes around those same men would betray their "brother" for a ******* a chance for a date. You have to realize in every aspect of life, for me,n it's a competition

• Getting a job
• Getting an education
• Getting a house/place to live in
• and yes getting women

The truth is most men won't make it, and it's not because they are ugly, broke, or poor, or bad guys; It's because they don't have the mental fortitude, work ethic, and ambition to get to the level that it takes for them to be successful​

 

[super_soaker]

You are 74 years old. Mating relationships by that point in life look far different. It might be a real challenge to do cold approach in the 55-60+ age range anyway.



The approach to lay ratios of PUAs are even better case scenarios as PUAs often have a stronger skillset. Ordinary men have far worse ratio numbers than what most PUAs claim.



While the numbers are bad on real world approaching, it can take hundreds to thousands of right swipes to get a date. Often times, that date won't result in sex or a girlfriend relationship. Men seem to like swiping because they can sit at home looking unpresentable, do their swipes, and send text messages.

lol i'm not 74 i just threw a number up for my age, didn't know it was going to show up on my posts.

as far as puas having a better skillset, call me skeptical because i've heard what people have to say behind the scene about pro puas and to say the least it isn't very good.

 

[super_soaker]

There's failure in every aspect of dating - it's still a lot more rewarding than other forms of game - you meet new wingmen, you have amazing experiences with the people you met and i met my girlfriend from doing it .

It's pretty obvious reading posts on this forum that most men lack options and the majority have a major issues garnering new prospects.

Why I believe daygame will always be the best form of dating for the majority of men to meet new women :

Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insi…

mindful-masculinity.org

what percentage of men do you think are living in densely populated areas to the point where a 1.25% success rate makes any sense? cold approach is exclusively for guys living in places like london or nyc.

 

[zekko]

a lot of American cities have a 30-40 percent obesity rate which means a lot of fat women ( and men )

go onto the streets of Tokyo or Seoul it’s very difficult to find any women overweight - your average American could score way hotter in the east than in the west imo

Well, I'm certainly not going to argue that there isn't an obesity problem in the US.
Have you seen that video going around aimed at ridiculing the idea of US manufacturing, that features fat, middle aged Americans working in a sweatshop? Comes from China, I believe. It's kind of funny, really. If it wasn't so sad.

 

[GoodMan32]

@GoodMan32, would you pay to smash an escort that was obese or very chubby? People here seem to have an issue with fat women.
I get turned on by lying on top of a human waterbed with titty pillows. I don't see what the big deal is?

Not only would I; I have.

You're right though; a lot of men have an aversion to getting with a fat woman.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi SW15,
"You are 74 years old. Mating relationships by that point in life look far different."Demographics alone suggest that as you get older,dating just gets easier and easier.

 

[jhonny9546]

Lol.....Cold Approaching is not the best way to pick up Quality women. Setting yourself up in high quality places where there's good people and having great social skills and emotional IQ is the best way to meet women. You've gotta be a gentleman. It could be at a Church functions and festivities, through work, an organization or at a hobby group. When you start socializing frequently at Cool Quality places, these type of things naturally and organically takes care of itself. It's called Social Momentum, go out and befriend everyone even that old lady who happens to be your neighbor...she might hook you up with her niece or something.

This is very underrated and important! you should make a whole post about it