There are not rules or certain paterns.

[NSX-R]

Hey guys.
I want to share a revelation i had some time ago , in my early days of becoming a DJ . This revelation came by observing one of my cousins which he's a pimp with women. (He currently fcks 5 women and he has fcked over 200 women in his 28 years of age. )
I have a female friend(Let's call her Janna) that every guy in my circle wants to bang except than me because i'm not attracted to her. My cousin was also attracted to her and one day i introduced him to her. We spent a whole evening out and my cousin exchanged only few words with her. After a week i went to my cousin's club(he works there, he's not the owner) with Janna and my sister and for about 5-6 hours they exchanged only a few words ,nothing special . At the end of the night, my cousin huged my sister and Janna at the same time , and after some seconds he started making out with Janna and later he fcked her. There i was witnessing a revelation.
At first i was puzzled because how could somebody not so attractive,without using any pattern and methods and without having said anything to her , was able to pull such a move effectively and get the deal later that night? I repeat again , they didn't talked in all of their interactions and he didn't show any alpha/rich/player status or anything that every single seduction guru or forum tries to promote. Did i also mentioned that she had a bf?

The thing that i noticed was that , he had a certain aura around him , like a serious version of a carefree guy . You could feel relaxed around him still though he wasn't showing any weaknesses but i don't think that was the issue because the enviroment in both cases was loud and full with people. Still , i believe those weren't the keys for his success.

He closed the deal when he attacked in a moment least expected. He caught Janna out of guard . He moved like every man should move. Without hesitating because of the possible consequences that such a move could create. He showed the way and she followed.He didn't lost any second to analyze the situation.

To conclude, move without thinking about it, let your instinct take over, stop thinking about it too much.
You don't have to talk or take the girl you are interested to into a date first to fck her later. Lol you don't even have to show your intentions. Be neutral and strike when least expected.

MEN TAKE ACTION AND WOMEN TALK.
Which one of these two are you?

 

[Von]

Hey guys.
I want to share a revelation i had some time ago , in my early days of becoming a DJ . This revelation came by observing one of my cousins which he's a pimp with women. (He currently fcks 5 women and he has fcked over 200 women in his 28 years of age. )
I have a female friend(Let's call her Janna) that every guy in my circle wants to bang except than me because i'm not attracted to her. My cousin was also attracted to her and one day i introduced him to her. We spent a whole evening out and my cousin exchanged only few words with her. After a week i went to my cousin's club(he works there, he's not the owner) with Janna and my sister and for about 5-6 hours they exchanged only a few words ,nothing special . At the end of the night, my cousin huged my sister and Janna at the same time , and after some seconds he started making out with Janna and later he fcked her. There i was witnessing a revelation.
At first i was puzzled because how could somebody not so attractive,without using any pattern and methods and without having said anything to her , was able to pull such a move effectively and get the deal later that night? I repeat again , they didn't talked in all of their interactions and he didn't show any alpha/rich/player status or anything that every single seduction guru or forum tries to promote. Did i also mentioned that she had a bf?

The thing that i noticed was that , he had a certain aura around him , like a serious version of a carefree guy . You could feel relaxed around him still though he wasn't showing any weaknesses but i don't think that was the issue because the enviroment in both cases was loud and full with people. Still , i believe those weren't the keys for his success.

He closed the deal when he attacked in a moment least expected. He caught Janna out of guard . He moved like every man should move. Without hesitating because of the possible consequences that such a move could create. He showed the way and she followed.He didn't lost any second to analyze the situation.

To conclude, move without thinking about it, let your instinct take over, stop thinking about it too much.
You don't have to talk or take the girl you are interested to into a date first to fck her later. Lol you don't even have to show your intentions. Be neutral and strike when least expected.

MEN TAKE ACTION AND WOMEN TALK.
Which one of these two are you?

I would guess this: He was always confortable to be with, didn't show any interest (so above value or oneitis), he showed confidence and in control vibe... and he acted after building HER expectations of him (caught her off guard), he was ''natural''

One thing I take from this is : Silence is good when its natural

I hate silence... but I noticed... if you have ''silent'' moments with someone and its natural... it means you deepen the relationship (relationship, friend, or dating)... and from there you have a wide window to close a deal

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I like this, I was thinking that I was spending too much time on here and wasn't gaining anything from it anymore. Tell me though, did he know she had a boyfriend?

 

[sch]

I've been watching natural players and trying to distill what their vibe is, and I came to conclusions which are very close to OP's ones. Here are the main points that I see:
1) relaxed, and care free -- this is by far the main point,
2) always fun, always joking, and it shouldn't be boring, too good, and try hard,
3) breaking rapport, feel of superiority, like elder brother speaks with a sister or dad will speak with a daughter.

I had great results with that, and it works fine on dates, but I haven't had a chance to try it in daygame/nightgame settings.

 

[NSX-R]

I like this, I was thinking that I was spending too much time on here and wasn't gaining anything from it anymore. Tell me though, did he know she had a boyfriend?

I don't know , probably my sister would had told him but it don't think it would make a difference. He doesn't care if she either has a bf or not.

The problem is that meanwhile the knowledge in the forums is good and solid , it can make you struggle with your interactions. What i mean is that you start overanalysing the situation and filtering every movement of your target . I'm not saying it's bad to know how you should proceed but in most cases it is pointless . In my first post , i described how my cousin didn't do anything at all to seduce Janna. It's the same like seeing a stranger and start kissing in the first moment you see each other. Meanwhile he knows the game , he didn't let that slow him down . Actually he didn't even used any game .

After seeing this , i used the same trick 3 times in my life and i had fantastic results , one of it was recently . I think there is a post in dj bible which says you have to be neutral or not even give attention to your target and some time later you strike . Women do the same thing to men . It's the mixed signals everybody is talking about and makes all men crazy.

Pook has also talked about it. You don't have to use any of the patterns and tricks to close the deal but let your instinct guide you . Your mind is always going to slow you down .

 

[NSX-R]

I would guess this: He was always confortable to be with, didn't show any interest (so above value or oneitis), he showed confidence and in control vibe... and he acted after building HER expectations of him (caught her off guard), he was ''natural''

One thing I take from this is : Silence is good when its natural

I hate silence... but I noticed... if you have ''silent'' moments with someone and its natural... it means you deepen the relationship (relationship, friend, or dating)... and from there you have a wide window to close a deal

Silence is good. It creates a mysterious atmosphere. Another thing i didn't mention was that Janna was from Australia and my cousin is Greek. He was speaking 99% of the time with us in Greek and we had a lot of fun . Because of that , he gave Janna the impression that my cousin propably is a funny and smart guy . The language barrier played a big role in this .

I've been watching natural players and trying to distill what their vibe is, and I came to conclusions which are very close to OP's ones. Here are the main points that I see:
1) relaxed, and care free -- this is by far the main point,
2) always fun, always joking, and it shouldn't be boring, too good, and try hard,
3) breaking rapport, feel of superiority, like elder brother speaks with a sister or dad will speak with a daughter.

I had great results with that, and it works fine on dates, but I haven't had a chance to try it in daygame/nightgame settings.

I have seen many naturals and their only common thing is that they don't give. a fck and that they are not afraid to strike at any moment.

I've seen this also in myself. I always have the same personality but when i end up fcking a woman is when i don't give a fck about the consequences and attack on my pray. Every time i use methods and patterns, i end up with my D in my hand.
Do you think all these millions in the world , get laid because of the rules , the PU guides or of their certain personalities ? No , they just do it . It was always like that.

 

[Milano]

The sad fact is that some guys got laid when they were 12 and from there interactions and sex with girls have been normal to them. I was 26, these things will matter lol.

Building a good social circle will give you everything you want, and it is so key in smaller societies with less number of people to meet for online dating or at the smaller clubs.

Last woman i approached I thought was out of my league, then I asked some local buddies who she was and they said she recently broke up with a guy I saw a picture of with HORRIBLE facial hair and looking like a bum sleeping under a bridge. He was a funny guy apparently, confident. I almost believed these things didnt happen anymore cause my brain doesnt want to believe it but there you go guys.

There are several ways to Rome, social circle and confidence + entitlement with girls. I have been a lone wolf most of my life so social circle game has not been there for me but if you can get in with some cool people in your local area you will get in "natural" contact with new girls, you dont have to game as much.

My point is that all naturals I have seen always have a great social circle. Girls want to say to their girlfriends that they just "naturally" met a guy through friends. Quality girls dont need guys from the club, its more like an ego-booster in my small country at least. Im not sayin it is not possible, Im saying if I could choose I would have a great social circle because when you meet women like this their b1tch shield is lowered and then you can "be yourself" to a greater degree.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The sad fact is that some guys got laid when they were 12 and from there interactions and sex with girls have been normal to them. I was 26, these things will matter lol.

Building a good social circle will give you everything you want, and it is so key in smaller societies with less number of people to meet for online dating or at the smaller clubs.

Last woman i approached I thought was out of my league, then I asked some local buddies who she was and they said she recently broke up with a guy I saw a picture of with HORRIBLE facial hair and looking like a bum sleeping under a bridge. He was a funny guy apparently, confident. I almost believed these things didnt happen anymore cause my brain doesnt want to believe it but there you go guys.

There are several ways to Rome, social circle and confidence + entitlement with girls. I have been a lone wolf most of my life so social circle game has not been there for me but if you can get in with some cool people in your local area you will get in "natural" contact with new girls, you dont have to game as much.

My point is that all naturals I have seen always have a great social circle. Girls want to say to their girlfriends that they just "naturally" met a guy through friends. Quality girls dont need guys from the club, its more like an ego-booster in my small country at least. Im not sayin it is not possible, Im saying if I could choose I would have a great social circle because when you meet women like this their b1tch shield is lowered and then you can "be yourself" to a greater degree.

I strongly agree with this. Having a good social circle is proof to women that you aren't just some creep. It's easier to cold approach with a group of friends too because your boys can oftentimes put you in the right mindset and can push you to not wuss out. Social circle can make a huge difference.