Theater Massacre in Aurora, Colorado [Merged Threads]

[FairShake]

Its interesting the fact that almost the majority of this spree killers are white men aged 16-40 with a high IQ and competence on a certain field.

A majority maybe. But Black people are overrepresented among all "multiple murders" which includes spree killing, mass murders, and serial killers.

They are approximately 13% of the population and about 38% of all multiple murderers.

 

[Married Buried]

Me wrong and callous, but if I was in that theatre, I would be their today when the venue opens and I'd would be very blunt and to the point. I'd explain to the manager that I was in the when this bullsh*t went down, and could I see Batman today. If I didn't have one, I want an upgrade to the IMAX, if the IMAX was sold out, I'd be willing to see it in the projection room, some free **** from the concession stand, and possibly a ticket to another movie. I'd be damn if some depressed, schizophrenic, homicidal manic is going to **** me up from seeing a movie I've been literally waiting to see for years. F*ck that.

You think the theater is open?

 

[Poonani Maker]

True enough.....Let me clarify then....

In locations where law-abiding citizens are present with guns, gun crime is non-existent.

Social,

The number one reason to have a gun is to protect from an over-zealous government. That alone is reason enough to justify armament of the citizenry.

Let's seek comment from the authority on guns, NutnFancy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLAIk5Ka_64&feature=g-u-u

 

[Burroughs]

Let's seek comment from the authority on guns, NutnFancy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLAIk5Ka_64&feature=g-u-u

a comment from nutnfancy: "it now appears this "shooting" is "fast and furious part 2", an unemployed student, quiet, gets over $10,000 of military gear and training, plus training in explosives and booby traps... this is Obama/FBI grabbing guns again, with the UN ATT treaty this week, it's a "shot in the arm" for world GUN CONTROL"

the general public is finally wising up to what is happening on an underlying level

 

[Married Buried]

a comment from nutnfancy: "it now appears this "shooting" is "fast and furious part 2", an unemployed student, quiet, gets over $10,000 of military gear and training, plus training in explosives and booby traps... this is Obama/FBI grabbing guns again, with the UN ATT treaty this week, it's a "shot in the arm" for world GUN CONTROL"

the general public is finally wising up to what is happening on an underlying level

Where did Holmes get the gear and training?

 

[Bible_Belt]

The gun shop owner who sold him several of the guns said on ABC news that the kid had to ask basic questions about how to operate the firearms.

 

[Iceberg]

I believe there are far more good people in the world than bad and I have no problem with them being armed.

it sounds radical but think about it...

bank robberies...man walks in...16 people in bank...all armed...the nutcase pisses his pants.

I'm not anti-gun...I WOULD be, but I just accept that it's a part of American culture, so I'm waving the white flag.

But here's the thing. The bank robber has a plan. He knows he's going to commit a crime and he's prepared for what comes with it. The adrenaline rush. The shaky hands. The lump in his throat. He knows what's coming.

The 16 "good" people in the bank might have guns. They might have even gone to a shooting range a few times. But do they know how to kill a person? Do they know how to aim and shoot a person who might shoot back at them? Do they know how to do it when the adrenaline kicks in, and when their hands are shaking and when they're breathless with fear? Hell, all the bank robber might have to do is fire one round into the air, everyone's gonna scatter or hit the deck before figuring out how to counterattack. By the time people figure out that it's just one person, and that he's not shooting directly at them, that guy is probably out the door with his bag of money. Remember, these good guys are just going out to cash some checks or get a sandwich or whatever. They're not thinking "Hey, I might get into a gun fight today."

Giving guns to these 16 people doesn't make them 16 well-trained soldiers with steady aim and accuracy. It just makes them 16 people who are just as likely to shoot a few innocent people as they are likely to shoot the crook.

I sometimes wonder what I'd do if someone was stalking me, attempting to break into my apartment to kill me. And I realize that if someone is seriously crafting a plan to kill me or rob my home, there's not a whole lot that I can do. Because that person will have a plan. They're prepared for it. I'm not. I might have a gun or knife, but if I'm passed out asleep and some lunatic comes bursting into my bedroom, I have a less than 50% chance of properly defending myself from a crook with a half-decent plan on how they're gonna attack me.

 

[Bible_Belt]

His lack of familiarity with the gun probably saved some lives. They said he ordered ammo over the Internet, and I bet it was the cheap Chinese-made kind that always seems to jam a semi-auto.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...ice_colo_suspect_planned_massacre_for_months/

AP Source: Assault rifle jammed in Colo. attack
July 22, 2012

AURORA, Colo.—The semiautomatic assault rifle used by the gunman in a mass shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman movie jammed during the attack, a federal law enforcement official told The Associated Press, which forced the shooter to switch to another gun with less fire power...

 

[Burroughs]

I sometimes wonder what I'd do if someone was stalking me, attempting to break into my apartment to kill me. And I realize that if someone is seriously crafting a plan to kill me or rob my home, there's not a whole lot that I can do. Because that person will have a plan. They're prepared for it. I'm not. I might have a gun or knife, but if I'm passed out asleep and some lunatic comes bursting into my bedroom, I have a less than 50% chance of properly defending myself from a crook with a half-decent plan on how they're gonna attack me.

You're not giving yourself much credit are you? make a plan to defend yourself and follow through, you're adopting a victims mentality and you shouldn't.

You are also missing the main point, if widespread carry were in effect a criminal knows anyone could well be armed.....this would be a massive protection...Danger already posted the info for gun ownership in law abiding areas. Criminals seek the weak and powerless to victimize, a well armed citizenry is limp d!ck for evil.

I think its testimony to how much fear and state control permeates our minds that we prefer to hand the security of our bodies, friends, and families to others like sheep rather than insist we all have the right and obligation to defend ourselves.

 

[Atom Smasher]

it sounds radical but think about it...

bank robberies...man walks in...16 people in bank...all armed...the nutcase pisses his pants.

hijacking....everyone in plane including pilots armed....nothing happens...most of the people on the plane are good...they can protect each other.

Yes, but Burroughs, what about this:

I walk into my local club and approach a 3-set. All three of them are armed. My approach goes awry as usual and I fall crumpled to the floor, thereby DLV even more. The girls cry in unison, "This douche didn't even have the brains to wear a vest. Next!!" Two weeks later people on the SS Forum find themselves asking, "Whatever happened to Atom Smasher?"

J/K... I agree with you, the citizenry should be armed and trained. This would make armed assault and robbery an extremely dangerous proposition for any criminal. It is true that thugs prey on the weak and defenseless. Thugs will ALWAYS have access to firearms no matter what the law is, thereby necessitating keeping them in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

And regarding the government, there are already forces at work planting seeds to get the populace to willingly give up their right to bear arms, and it WILL happen someday. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime, but I'd be suprised if 100 years from now it was lawful to own a firearm.

 

[CostaDeSol]

The guy going out not looking for LTRs is not going to have to worry about buying his gf sh!t, taking her places, entertaining her, putting up with her BS, dealing with her drama and fights

And do you really think that the single guy isn't going to run into issues with having to put up with flaky dates and crazy sluts, paying for dates or going out to bars and clubs?


my question is this:
Is having to go out hunting for pu$$y every other week really better than having a reliable pu$$y at home?


Also, you mentioned earlier that:

We need to go through lots of women

this is not true.

It is true that we need to go through experiences with women, but it is not true that we need to go through LOTS of women.

We do have the desire to bang women. but it does not HAVE to take many women for us to learn how to deal with them.

Every man is DIFFERENT. One guy can learn all he needs to learn from just a few experiences with women. Another guy might need to get with a TON of women before he decides he's had enough.


my point is that every man is different and does not need be with lots of women. he just needs lots of experiences.

and those experiences do not have to come from tons of women. it CAN come from just a few.

 

[Burroughs]

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

- Thomas Jefferson

 

[Iceberg]

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

- Thomas Jefferson

Which government is in fear of the people? I need some real world examples to see how realistic this concept is.

 

[Burroughs]

@Iceberg

I don't do research for cowards.

It sounds as you're letting your personal apathy and negativity color the argument...you already stated that you would not know what to do if someone was stalking you breaking into your house and you were armed..that shows you are a vacillating coward....why even discuss the matter further.

let those who want to fight fight, you can continue to hide under the pillows and wait for big brother to save you.

If Thomas Jefferson's words are not enough then there is not much else to say.

 

[user43770]

Appreciate the logic Danger. I understand the purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure that should a government turn tyrannical, and seek to be the master of the people rather than servant, then the means exists for armed rebellion to succeed against it. That's why the "militia" cause exists, to make this explicitly clear, the militia being nothing more nor less than the citizenry under arms. True right?

Someone made a similar point elsewhere:


But seriously, in this day and age is that really relevant?

I mean, does your right to arms act as a counter balance to the Department of Defence's outrageous spending? The government (with $700 bn spent annually on military) must be trembling at the thought of your citizen "militia".
No. Didn't think so.

We have around 60 million gun owners in this country, owning over 250 million firearms. Current and past military are well represented in that figure, I'm sure. I could hardly find that something to scoff at.

 

[Zunder]

If you Americans are fine with your gun-laws, then you just have to accept you will have regular killing spree's.

Personally - I think a total gun ban is not the answer, BUT there is no way a regular person should be able to buy automatic weapons and tons of ammunition to boot. I mean - WTF does anyone but the Military need this type, and amount of ammo for?

Alas - so phucked up are you Yanks with your 2nd amendment crap, that it will take the deaths of a couple of the NRA sons and daughters to move any pro gun Rambo wannabee into realisng that the gun control laws need a total overhaul. Even then, so entrenched is the idiotic "bear arms" ideology - that it probably wouldn't make a shred of difference.

Quite pathetic, really.

 

[Iceberg]

@Iceberg

I don't do research for cowards.

It sounds as you're letting your personal apathy and negativity color the argument...you already stated that you would not know what to do if someone was stalking you breaking into your house and you were armed..that shows you are a vacillating coward....why even discuss the matter further.

let those who want to fight fight, you can continue to hide under the pillows and wait for big brother to save you.

If Thomas Jefferson's words are not enough then there is not much else to say.

That's a good point. Actually I'm so scared of you that I'm going to run away from this trollish conversation before you hurt my feelings.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Yeah, but why not measure total number of gun-related homicides in those countries vs. the United States? Instead of random mass murders. Any country can have some psycho freak kill a bunch of people. What you're looking for is a TREND of gun violence.

I actually dont care about the gun debate. You know damn well that the govt isn't going to go through the trouble of rounding up America's 270,000,000 guns (true statistic). I just think your argument has holes in it. But whatever.

 

[user43770]

If you Americans are fine with your gun-laws, then you just have to accept you will have regular killing spree's.

Personally - I think a total gun ban is not the answer, BUT there is no way a regular person should be able to buy automatic weapons and tons of ammunition to boot. I mean - WTF does anyone but the Military need this type, and amount of ammo for?

Alas - so phucked up are you Yanks with your 2nd amendment crap, that it will take the deaths of a couple of the NRA sons and daughters to move any pro gun Rambo wannabee into realisng that the gun control laws need a total overhaul. Even then, so entrenched is the idiotic "bear arms" ideology - that it probably wouldn't make a shred of difference.

Quite pathetic, really.

Yes, the ability to protect yourself is quite pathetic. I hope you never find yourself face to face with a violent criminal. Some people obtain peace of mind by assuming violence will never find them; I carry a firearm. To each their own, I suppose.

 

[Zunder]

Yes, the ability to protect yourself is quite pathetic. I hope you never find yourself face to face with a violent criminal. Some people obtain peace of mind by assuming violence will never find them; I carry a firearm. To each their own, I suppose.

OK Wyatt Earp.