The Truth!!!!!!!

[The Juan and only]

yeah, you are now. But originally, you said you could never get somebody hotter than yourself, and that is just plain wrong.

Besides, I don't think looks are the most important. Don't get me wrong, they matter, but if you're an average guy then your personality and attitudes can do a lot for you.

the consensus seems to be that women are more attracted to personality than men, and from what I've seen, that's the dead-on truth. Now I'm not saying a hideous troll could pull a supermodel...but to claim that we should limit ourself to people of equal attractiveness because there's nothing we can do is a crock of sh1t.


And no I'm not with you. I respect some of the things you're saying but some of your other points are way off.

Bottom line:
Both personality and looks are important, however which one of them is the most important depends on the situation. Inner game will get you far, and I'm not willing to listen to theoretical drivel that says otherwise.

 

[Bvbidd]

I'm sorry, but I disagree. I have had numerous people come up to me and say "how the hell did you get her?!" (literally). In high school, I even had the most popular guy (the guy with the looks, most friends by far, soccer and basketball scholarships, etc.) say out loud in class from the opposite side of the room "hey (my name), your girlfriend is so hot!" talking about one of my ex's who was on the dance team (this is not the only girl I got those comments from). And note that I have never been in the popular group...

I am also not trying to have a huge argument here, I just disagree and if you think that I am wrong then so be it, because I am perfectly happy with how my way of thinking works. Maybe I am just the luckiest guy in the world...but I do know this all happened when I started to become more confident (to the point where I thought I was too confident)

All guys are going to think your too ugly and not good enough for a girl they concider hot, regardless of how good-looking you are.

Your probally just an average looking dude, and all your average looking dude friends who are not gay and not attracted to you were confused.

 

[L777]

THE ****ING TRUTH.

The PUAs are just as hot as the girls they get. (Which is usually both ugly.)

LOOK AT THE POST IN ANYTHING ELSE.

The ****ing truth. You just don't understand those girls wanting them because you don't have an instinctual need for a penis.

You guys are seriously ****ing retarded if you think they are using magical skills.

Even that Pook guy figured it out. That's why he doesn't come here anymore.

All the guys who really thought about it figured it out, and at the very end knows that all you gotta do is

- Just be a man who cares about himself and be sexual if that's what you want. You will get a chick just as hot or worse.

The ****ing truth that's it. Everybody figured that out and then left.

I won't troll anymore, but I have to clue you ****ing retards in.

is any of this theoretical debate gonna help you to pick up girls/chicks?

Type something useful or f.uck off, cheers

 

[Bvbidd]

is any of this theoretical debate gonna help you to pick up girls/chicks?

Type something useful or f.uck off, cheers

It will help a lot, I'm telling you what works and what doesn't.

Besides you wanna walk around delusional to what's really going on?

 

[Googs]

All guys are going to think your too ugly and not good enough for a girl they concider hot, regardless of how good-looking you are.

Your probally just an average looking dude, and all your average looking dude friends who are not gay and not attracted to you were confused.

Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say (no I'm not being a d*ck when I say this). Can you explain a little more?

Also, how old are you, out of curiosity?

Again, don't take anything I say as an insult, I just need help in what you are trying to say...

 

[Bvbidd]

Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say (no I'm not being a d*ck when I say this). Can you explain a little more?

Also, how old are you, out of curiosity?

Again, don't take anything I say as an insult, I just need help in what you are trying to say...

You guys think you see ugly guys but girls see them in a whole diffrent way that is impossible to convey because your male.

Guys you think are ugly are not actually ugly and girls you think are hot are not actually that much hotter than the guy.

You have a **** so you see it that way.

 

[Googs]

You guys think you see ugly guys but girls see them in a whole diffrent way that is impossible to convey because your male.

Guys you think are ugly are not actually ugly and girls you think are hot are not actually that much hotter than the guy.

You have a **** so you see it that way.

This does not make sense to me if I am reading this correctly. Are you saying that I am hotter than I give myself credit for? Are the girls I am going after really just as ugly as I am, yet the popular guys are jealous over it? First of all, I am not gay and I can usually tell if a guy is attractive or ugly to females, and I know other guys can do the same. How can the majority of the people see me as clearly not having the looks to be in this so-called popular group (females included) yet when I actually go after these more popular girls I can get them? I'll tell you another story of a girl I never even went out with, a prom queen. The prom queen broke up with her boyfriend just for me (she even used to call him when I was around to make him jealous before breaking up with him), yet I wasn't even interested in her (she thought I was). The prom queen gets votes, so obviously the majority pictures her as the best overall female to represent the school. Now, don't say anything that my school must be small or she must not be good looking or anything like that because that was not the case. I strongly disagree with what you are saying if I am infact understanding you correctly.

Do you have a lot of experience with girls? Have you been through a lot, whether it was with you personally or close friends of yours with girls (hence the age question in my previous post)? I could tell other stories of close guy friends of mine that are in a relationship in which all most everyone says the guy is way out of the girl's league. I am not saying I am an old wise male, but I have seen too many examples within my life to even think to tell others that they cannot get someone.

 

[The Juan and only]

You guys think you see ugly guys but girls see them in a whole diffrent way that is impossible to convey because your male.

Guys you think are ugly are not actually ugly and girls you think are hot are not actually that much hotter than the guy.

You have a **** so you see it that way.

oh not this again. shut up bvbidd.

This has gone past the point of healthly debate. You're wrong, end of story.

 

[Googs]

oh not this again. shut up bvbidd.

This has gone past the point of healthly debate. You're wrong, end of story.

Agreed.

 

[organizedconfusion]

personaly, i have the looks but not nearly enough game... i get by on my looks most of the time, i have no problems with that...:woo:

can anyone say 'Concedbo?' :wave:

P.S. Bvbidd
why such a hard on for this issue concerning looks and other GUYS??? i find it disturbing and mildly ammusing...:rock: maybe you are insecure that you find some guys hot...it's okay dude everyone thinks that about other guys :yes: *wink wink

 

[Bvbidd]

I just want less retards walking around in an illusion, thinking they can do things they can't.

I find it distubring and mildly amusing.

 

[Googs]

I just want less retards walking around in an illusion, thinking they can do things they can't.

I find it distubring and mildly amusing.

Well, then I do not see the harm in trying to find out if one can do certain things. If they cannot, then so be it and move on or try to become better if they are really fixated on the issue. Do you personally have success with females?

 

[organizedconfusion]

I just want less retards walking around in an illusion, thinking they can do things they can't.

I find it distubring and mildly amusing.

why does it concern you soo much what they are doing? afraid that maybe these geeks with hearts the size of lions might just one day..hhmmmm,maybe pull it off? it takes courage to go out and sarge man, everyone knows that..that illusion will someday turn to reality.After all,we ARE just talking about meeting ,approaching and getting with really attractive woman right? in contrast to everything else in the world, that has been discovered and invented..pick up,seduction,meeting chicks..it's not exactly rocket science..you just have to go out there and do it...unfortunantly the pain of rejection sucks worse then most will admit,that alone may have some giving up and not even trying..we've all been there...as much as i make fun of the geeks, i respect everyone out there that goes out every single day to sarge..it takes balls

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Leader of Men + confidence & balls + having ur own life + nice body + correct emotional state + personality = HB pu&&y...

add some approach skills and relationship game and your golden. I think pook was right.

Use everything and have fun... that's my goal.

 

[Rovalier]

Looks can be controlled to an extent, like getting into shape, at least a lean muscular look, getting a fitting haircut, getting contacts (if applicable) and having good hygiene (i.e. better skin) improves your chances a lot. Ask any girl about those things and bet you they will agree. Wouldn't you want a girl that is fit and clean as well?

I won't lie to you, if you are around 5'10-6'3ish with a more masculine face (i.e. low brow, visible jaw line), it helps a lot with the game. In fact you probably have to do a lot less work even.

There are other things not outside your reach.

 

[DonJuanForever]

Listen gentlemen. Looks are defined by men different than by women. It goes like this, this is us: " Oh man! That girl's azz is phat! Look at them tits! Damn those thighs!" We define looks based on how the girl's body looks, in other words, her body makes her attractive.

But this is women, after you behave around them in a sexual way, not afraid to lick your lips, grab your balls, basically do Gunwitch's version of "sexual state" she begins to get horny being around you, now she begins saying: "Damn girl, that boy is hot! Oh my god, I could just fvck his brains out!"

So for a woman to be attractive, she needs to fix her body up in a certain way for us to lust after her. For a man to be attractive, he needs to behave in a certain way in order for women to lust after him. Do you guys understand this?

 

[tobby]

Looks and beauty are all relative. For example I told my friends that Halle Berry was the most beautiful girl in the world (#1 on my list), while they said that their #1 was Beyonce. Other friends said that their number #1's were Eva Longoria, Charlize Theron, etc. (So see it's really all relative!).

In regards to leagues and stuff, some people have a look or traits that are considered attractive by more people. Another example: Beyonce's a 10/9 because a whole bunch of people consider her a 10/9 so we've all accepted her as a 10/9. These girls are only 10s and stuff because we as a society have put them there.

Guys, stop worrying about looks and crap. If you see a girl that you're attracted to talk to her and press your luck. If you're not getting the girls that you're attracted to, work on your game some more or do something to improve yourself and get the girls you're attracted to.

Again, let's all use some common sense. If you don't think something's working, you don't have to stop it. Just re-evaluate yourself. Are you writing off a lot of girls you're actually atrracted to beacause you want "society's 10s" or are u just not attracted to them. In either case, keep approaching, some people just have to work harder than others. Ex. everyone can make it in this world, some just have more obstacles to overcome.

 

[organizedconfusion]

dude, did you just copy and paste that?

 

[VegasGuy56]

Don't you guys understand? The reason he posted this is because he's an ugly mother****er who's frustrated because he can't get any hot chicks, and has led himself into the false belief that if he can't get girls hotter than him, no one can.

 

[DonJuanForever]

Why are you guys messing the point? Its only after a woman is turned on sexually by a guy that she considers his looks. After she is turned on sexually, then those muscles become sexy, those abs sexy, etc, etc. There is no such thing as an "ugly" guy, because guys don't get judged on their physical body parts, women do. If there is an "ugly guy" its the way he dresses. Every guy should have a nice clothing style. But if you don't connect sexually with her, you can pump iron until you look like Scott Stenier, you aint gettin no pvssy brother.