I hope this thread isn't too old to post in, but I really had a question to ask about this: aren't there "mind tricks" and such that a fat (even obese) guy can use to get a HB to feel sexual feelings for him, when ordinarily she would NEVER feel sexual toward such an overweight guy? I mean, this site is more than "make something of your life, be a winner" isn't it? Isn't it also about getting around perceptions that HB's may have about you, whether they be accurate or not? And if you're fat you're fat, so that perception on her part is usually going to be accurate. I know there's lots more reasons to lose weight besides to get women, health being at the top. But this is more of a philosophical question than anything I guess. "Make something of your life, be a winner" isn't exactly seduction. Don't the Ross Jeffries types teach guys how to pull HB's regardless of how ugly/fat/poor they are?