The truth about Pick-Up Artists - Whats your opinion of this website?

[Kalel21]

hey fellow dj's,
i have started studying DJ and PUA(particularly David Deangelo and Mystery). However a friend of mine sent me these two interesting links about pick up artist, how being a pick up artist can actually be a disadvantage and why negging will never work. It puts up a pretty valid argument even though it was written by a woman (at leat I think) Anyway here are the two links below. Please tell me your opinion. Do you think we are wasting our time with this PUA and negging stuff?

http://www.seductioninsider.com/articles/pick_up_artists.html


http://www.seductioninsider.com/articles/neg_hits.html

Oh and by the way check out www.seducdingworld.com. Its similar to this website but focuses alot on innergame.


See you people later.

 

[Kalel21]

Oh come on people post something...

 

[Derek Flint]

I've been saying for a while that neg hits work mostly on LSE women, and those women aren't really worth having.

Gimmicks, tricks, cold-reads, the cube, palm-reading etc... are all crutches.

Substitues for real game.

Become the best person you can be, the kind of person that people, including women, will naturally gravitate to.

 

[bossdog]

yeah pua and masf is bull**** stay away from it. do a search for my posts.

 

[Hunterchilla]

I think alot of the PUA stuff helps men to actually meet girls, and not be so affraid of them.

I also think that the more women you ask out, the more women you get to know, the better chance you have of finding true love.

A person who asks out 100 girls has a better chance of finding TRUE LOVE ,or his perfect match, then a GUY who asks out 20 girls.

In my oppinion this site really deos of course u dont have to listen to every single rule, and learn from the experience.

in the end love is very hard to find, but this just makes it a little bit easier.

 

[seanchai]

That's the difference between seduction as studied by men who do it and seduction by women who don't. She's the equivalent of a KBJ.

 

[msg]

just dumb

i read the two articles you mentioned and i thought they were just dumb

i'm not an expert pua or practitioner of the mystery method but what i do know is that neg hits and ****y / funny are only a small fraction of the whole system, do you think your car would work if it only had 1 wheel? probably not!

it's funny how they were talking about hitch and how the main characters got the girl at the end because they were nice and genuine, reality check, they got the girl in the end because it was a movie, ie not real life, everybody knows that movies that end in happy endings make more money, duh!!! also, don't you think i would love to be in a situation where i could just be myself and just be a genuine guy and girls love me for it? in the real world this is not the case!!! basing your advice on what you see in movies written by guys who were probably not very successful with girls when they were younger and therefore had to develop other skills such as movie making and writing doesn't give you any credibility at all

telling me that naturally charismatic guys get the girls is somewhat redundant advice don't you think? i wasn't born into a wealthy family, i'm not that great looking and i don't have much of a personality, does that mean that i should just give up, find a hole somewhere and just wait to die? does that mean that i should step aside and let all of the supposedly "great guys" get all the action... the thing is that a year ago i would have thought so

don't you think i want to be that great charismatic guy who everyone adores, hell yes, of course i do, but how do i get there? i can't just go out and buy a bottle of charisma and wake up the next day and everything is sweet

now, at least i have some hope and focusing on neg hits is not the answer, the answer is in having a game plan and applying it in the field, that's what guys like mystery teach

i've thought about this a lot lately, especially since i have been hanging around with my old friends and guys from high school a lot more lately and noticed that they are just naturally alpha guys, the thing is that i've really had to develop these qualities in myself, they have not been something that i have naturally been born with

in doing this i find that it's much easier to fit into a social situation and to hold my own ground, these guys naturally use ****y comedy, in the past i didn't know, how to handle it, but now i know what to do

even though i haven't mastered these skills yet, i can see the value in it, when i speak to girls i still sense that they think i'm a bit of a creep, but that's only natural, to them i'm just a random stranger and i'm still learning the skills of social interaction

it's like learning to play a musical instrument like the piano, at first you are not very good at it and your family don't want you to play it because it just sounds dumb, but you persist until one day you can play all of the right notes, then it sounds good but it has no personality, so you persist until you know the music so well that you can inject your own personality and vibe to the music and it feels like you are in tune with the audience, you can't get to becoming a master musician if you don't go through the awkward initial stages, just except that is what is supposed to happen and know that if you persist you will get better, this stuff takes years, not days or weeks

what does brad pitt do? he's an actor, his life revolves around pretending to be someone that he's not, but it's ok, why? because he's good at what he does, so get good and people won't criticize you anymore

i've been thinking about this a lot lately and although my social skills are not perfect, i'm a hell of a lot better than what i was before and at least i'm no longer the shy guy at the dinner table who doesn't ever have anything to say

don't you think i want to be the wonderful man of her dreams? of course i do? but life isn't that simple, you can't just go out to the supermarket and buy your way into being a super charismatic wow fun great guy, you have to work at it and mystery and others like him are offering us a way to bridge the gap between where we are now and where we want to be

it's no secret, the wonderful great charismatic confident guys get the girls, but how do you do that?

that's why this article is dumb because it's telling us what we have to do but now how to go about doing it, at the same time it's negging one of the best learning opportunities that we will ever have (the how) that of learning from other guys who have done this stuff

and the thing about the scientists? wtf? who cares what scientists think about women? the whole speed dating thing is dumb because the first thing we learn when studying this stuff is to avoid typical dating situations and to use our natural strengths to control the environment so that we are more likely to succeed, the question is... who would do better in the real world? i've been to a speed dating event and it's just for guys who are too chicken to ask for the girls number, if guys weren't afraid to ask girls for the contact details then they wouldn't need the organisers to intervene

whatever, the article is a serious waste of space, the advice is redundant and she obviously have no ideal what it is like to be a man in this competitive new world of ours (one who is not born with good looks, money and a great personality)

 

[insidious]

Who the hell uses dumbfvck neg hits like the ones in that article? If you use the nose wiggle one or the shirt/liquor store one, you are lame.

IMO, a good neg hit is built into a conversation and is delivered most forcefully with subtlety and intelligence, sometimes to the point where the chick might not even catch your wit right away.

I've had women say "wha....?" then suddenly get knocked on the head with understanding and do the "ooooooohhhhhhhhh" thing before laughing.

That article makes neg hits seem like stupid, thoughtless quips that the most moronic guys have to resort to because they lack a keen mind (and for that matter, doesn't give women credit either, because more often than not, most women are not dumb and can catch a funny, understated neg hit).

 

[everywomanshero]

Women & advice

Women give great advice on fasion: clothes and hair. Listen to them on this. However, women cannot tell you how to pickup women. Guys give the best pickup advice because women do not want to admit to themselves what they really like. It isn't just that they won't tell you. Part of it is that they really don't understand it themselves.

Why is it that PUA stuff works for me? You ave to make it work. It isn't a give me or a free ride. Why is it guys talk all this shyt and never do anything. You've got to make it happen. If you cannot make the teks works, it is solely YOUR fault and NO ONE elses and it's not because of BAD teks but instead because YOU suck and need to get better.

Women continue to insist there is little a man can do to pickup women unless she "just wants him" I've had dozens of women tell me this, some of which occured even after I seduced them using standard techniques. The tools to be a crazy, wild PUA are already well documented. Are you going to use them or lay down and die like a beaten dog?

 

[Ricky]

I'll have to read her articles. But I agree that women don't know what they react to.

With some exceptions. My one friends girlfriend actually is pretty good with what works. She and I have talked about it with reference to one of my ex girlfriends. But she is one of very few women I know that get it.

 

[Egoist]

here is a funny thing.

its all about gathering a briefcase of tools to have at your disposal. For some people MASF stuff works better. For some other ****. It is important to know different methods and ways, and figure out what and how works for you.

those articles are sort of AFC if you ask me, however, they do state the really important thing:

LEARN WHAT WOMEN WANT

although the authors actually don't know what women want, they at least understand how important it is.

otherwise, their advice is horrible. Study one woman, etc; that is absolutely ridiculous. Women themselves do not know what they want, how they want it, etc.

The only true way to understand women is to look at the big picture from the genetic/biological perspective first, look at history, look at typical gender interactions, etc.. And THEN and ONLY THEN look at the women around you and start to understand how they function.

it takes a while, but you begin to understand it. It's actually quite easy. And in process you will understand yourself much better as well.

Studying one woman only is absolutely a mindfvck however. You're not going to get anywhere unless you have something to compare against.

what was i talking about again?

 

[Kalel21]

This is quite interesting. So how many of you actually use neghits and have them work?

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Kalel21
This is quite interesting. So how many of you actually use neghits and have them work?

been there done that. they work wonders.

you have to understand, neghits are only appropriate on truly hot women in environments where their b!tch shields are way high.

 

[Kalel21]

Should I study mystery method? how effective is it?

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Kalel21
Should I study mystery method? how effective is it?

study whatever you can and whatever feels right, just never take one persons word for absolute truth, whether its mystery or jesus or uncle bob.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Egoist
been there done that. they work wonders.

you have to understand, neghits are only appropriate on truly hot women in environments where their b!tch shields are way high.

Yeah exactly. I skipped down to where she was talking about neg hits and knew she was talking out her ass.

While neg hits won't work on the "theoretical" woman who has no insecurities whatsoever... THAT WOMAN DOESN'T EXIST. I've field tested negs, and yes, on the proper woman, THEY WORK.

Chicks don't want to believe that they have a collective mindset that can be capitalized on via psychology to persuade them to have sex with us.

But who are you going to believe? Chicks who write articles on a basis of "what should be" or guys who write field reports and lay reports on WHAT IS and what has been subjected to the scientific method over and over?

And what the F*CK is natural charisma? It's convenient that she says that guys who have it get chicks and then DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS OR HOW TO GET IT.

This chick has absolutely no understanding of game. She's taken the Neg Hit and blown it into the be-all, end-all of pickup, when it's only 1 tactic in the overall strategy. She ignores DHVs, storytelling, social proof, etc. No, if you neg hit a chick, she's not going to swoon for you immediately and want to go home with you. And that's NOT what PUAs say happens. This chick neglected that. Poorly researched, poorly written article.

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Duke
Yeah exactly. I skipped down to where she was talking about neg hits and knew she was talking out her ass.

While neg hits won't work on the "theoretical" woman who has no insecurities whatsoever... THAT WOMAN DOESN'T EXIST. I've field tested negs, and yes, on the proper woman, THEY WORK.

Chicks don't want to believe that they have a collective mindset that can be capitalized on via psychology to persuade them to have sex with us.

But who are you going to believe? Chicks who write articles on a basis of "what should be" or guys who write field reports and lay reports on WHAT IS and what has been subjected to the scientific method over and over?

And what the F*CK is natural charisma? It's convenient that she says that guys who have it get chicks and then DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS OR HOW TO GET IT.

This chick has absolutely no understanding of game. She's taken the Neg Hit and blown it into the be-all, end-all of pickup, when it's only 1 tactic in the overall strategy. She ignores DHVs, storytelling, social proof, etc. No, if you neg hit a chick, she's not going to swoon for you immediately and want to go home with you. And that's NOT what PUAs say happens. This chick neglected that. Poorly researched, poorly written article.

TD had some really good **** to say about this.

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In my experience, if I ask a girl what sort of way she feels a guy should go about picking her up, she'll often reply with something to the effect of:

"Well.. He should come and say 'Hi'. Then he should just be himself.. He should be confident.. Introduce himself.. Maybe have a sense of humour.. Talk to me a bit so that we can get to know eachother.. And ask me if I'll go somewhere nice with him.. Oh yeah, also I like it if he'll just give me his number, just in case, you know.."

This way, she can screen him on looks, and proceed to make a rational decision on her terms.

It would be uncommon to hear a girl say, "I want a guy who will dupe me into a conversation with a chick-bait opener, tease me until I almost lose my mind, weave back and forth with stories that make me go crazy, spin me around and trick me into kissing him with my eyes closed, tell me cute things about himself so I'll go ga-ga for him, and make fake pre-suppositions to be alone with him so he can caveman me."

Nor would she likely say "I want a guy to hypnotize me with neuro-linguistic-programming."

Nor would she likely say "I want a guy who will ignore me and blast me off my pedastal by only talking to my friends, so that I'll re-validate myself by sleeping with him."

Of course, these last three work consistently on women of exceptional beauty, and the first one doesn't (again, CONSISTENTLY).

 

[uzio]

That woman writes as if negging was the only tool in the hands of a PUA...

Tell you I, wrong she is.

 

[White_Rabbit]

well guys I have to say the terminology is kinda BS ... I'm not a PUA ... not cause I'm bad with women I just disagree with the whole idea I mean neg hits WORK but you cant do neg hits like most of the ones I see on here and have them work on everyone you have to be perceptive enuf to know how to neg hit a different way for each woman I mean I find something they are totally insecure about... then I comfort them about it... and at the same time I find something they are totally proud/secure of withthemselves and I neg hit them about it... cause I wont be pushing the wrong buttons she wont take it the wrong way or be offended because of her insecurities ... I just dont like the whole terminology just be truthfull confident and make fun of her without seeming needy.... thats all it takes.

 

[Kalel21]

I have read alot of stuff about neg hitting but I am still confused. But something doesn't make sense. I have met some really really hot women before. We are talking Angelina Jolie, Pam Anderson etc look alikes. Now these are the perfect tens, they are almost flawless in looks, how on earth do you neg hit them if they are that good looking? When in the conversation do you neg a chick? (I believe its bad to use it as an opener)


Do you know of any negs that aren't text book stuff i.e. ones you have come up with?