The Truth About 'Game' vs LMS

[fastlife]

Good points. But good or bad, action is where the learning and the experience comes from.

You can come up with the best offensive strategy in any sport, and it could succeed or it can fail. But you have to execute it to find out.

And then you refine it.

Game is action regardless of the results. Good game typically leads to good results. Bad game leads you to SS.

I don’t think we’re in disagreement re: this & your above post. Action, in my mind, falls under behavior. Practice is necessary, but so are fundamentals (theory & structure informing those actions).

Buying girls flowers is an action, but it’s an ineffective one.

Most men’s problem is that they want to find ways of maintaining validation & avoiding rejection—which is the definition of weak frame—and ironically the cause of rejection in the first place.

 

[fastlife]

Relates to every part of life. I'm a believer that most people WANT to be sucked into someone else's frame, even if it is only a subconscious desire. But they definitely want it, they are looking for that guidance, direction, etc.

I do stand up comedy as a hobby outside of work. The biggest lesson I learned that directly preceded some pretty decent success was understanding that I couldn't wait to get a positive reaction from the crowd before I could get comfortable on stage. My frame had to dictate how the audience felt about me, not the other way around.

Same thing with approaching women. The blank stare or acting upset sh*t test throws a-lot of guys because they are waiting for her to give him the green light to feel OK about himself. You've gotta just plow through that sh*t. That's what frame is. And it doesn't mean you're a d*ck or rude to people. The goal should be having a benevolent frame that is so encompassing and absorbing that people are excited and confidently calm about being a-part of it - but that won't come until you genuinely love yourself. You can't fake it.

It's truly ironic how if you're a shy, anxious person you are actually CAUSING other people to react to you in a negative way. Your worry and insecurity about yourself is causing others worry and insecurity about themselves! Your waiting for them to give you a "buying signal" or "green light", and not getting it, that indicates they want to get to know you better or talk to you is directly inhibited by YOU not feeling that way about yourself. You don't think you're worth getting to know or talking to! Again, until you GENUINELY like yourself, this destructive cycle will continue.

It's a tremendous catch 22 and even though I've been through a-lot of bulls*hit in my life to get to where I'm at now, I'm incredibly thankful I've learned this principal and understand the dynamics behind it.

Exactly. Most people are insecure, lonely, directionless & bored, and would love nothing more than to surrender to a stronger frame than theirs. Even negative frames like conflict.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Can't we all just agree that LMS and game are not in competition of one another, they are in a symbiotic relationship of one another.

Would you agree that LMS and game alone are capable of attracting women?
Would you also agree the LMS and game alone are capable of losing a woman?

Correct me if I am wrong, but the steps to a general beta are...
1. Work on inner game and outer game simultaneously
2. Find your purpose, which will inherently improve both your money and status, because acquiring money and status often takes much longer

None of the four items (game, looks, money, status) are mutually exclusive for establishing or maintaining relationships.

Exactly... why can’t you just improve your LMS and game at the same time? They go hand in hand.

 

[sosousage]

on OLD only lms matters + ****y n funny lines but that only if u have LMS.

****, on old LMS matters so much that only 10% of men qualify:
- handsome + good clothes n haircut
- with social proof
- preferably tall
- must be GYM RATS
- must live alone, rich people are also very welcome

where do you see game in this? all major factors I mentioned are as LMS as they can.. and women are as shallow and entitled as they can.. too..

 

[fastlife]

Exactly... why can’t you just improve your LMS and game at the same time? They go hand in hand.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And both are good to have...

BUT there are only so many hours in the day. And focusing on SMV, predominantly, leads to more insecurity, more constraints, more excuses, more rationalizations for procrastination & is a potentially endless pursuit that has no guarantee of consistent results.

Game leads to less insecurity, more freedom, and provides quicker, more consistent results. It’s also less context dependent and can’t be taken away (while you are one car wreck, one false accusation, one layoff away from having chunks of SMV wiped away). Unless you’re severely overweight or so poor you can’t pay rent or put food on the table, your time is better spent learning game.

 

[Urbanyst]

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And both are good to have...

BUT there are only so many hours in the day. And focusing on SMV, predominantly, leads to more insecurity, more constraints, more excuses, more rationalizations for procrastination & is a potentially endless pursuit that has no guarantee of consistent results.

Game leads to less insecurity, more freedom, and provides quicker, more consistent results. It’s also less context dependent and can’t be taken away (while you are one car wreck, one false accusation, one layoff away from having chunks of SMV wiped away). Unless you’re severely overweight or so poor you can’t pay rent or put food on the table, your time is better spent learning game.

Lazy as sh*t.

So focusing on your SMV leads to more insecurity and constraints? Are you joking?

Lets see.. getting in better shape, making more MONEY and raising your social STATUS are bad for you? LOL.

Instead, everyone should go for the quick fix and learn con artist fraudulent tricks to manipulate women?

LOL.

 

[Von]

Lazy as sh*t.

So focusing on your SMV leads to more insecurity and constraints? Are you joking?

Lets see.. getting in better shape, making more MONEY and raising your social STATUS are bad for you? LOL.

Instead, everyone should go for the quick fix and learn con artist fraudulent tricks to manipulate women?

LOL.

Why are you so angry?

Fastlife only said: use your time to be a better person and a more stable one

We all agree that having more resources is an added value and a worth purpose.

However, all the resources in the world will never be able to solve what you lack inside (trust me I know)

My personal experience is that "game" or "knowing myself" allowed me to become a better person and finally be disciplined enough to get LMS/SMV and work to be richer, better looking , better status.

Working inside of you takes alot more work that working outside and getting "distracted" by toys.

Whatever approach you take outside (LMS)/inside(game, confidence)... make sure it allows to develop and grow the other approach. That the development goes both ways

 

[Urbanyst]

You are doing fraudulent con artist tricks right now to get attention by pretending you have LMS lol

Tell yourself whatever you need to blue piller.

Another sad coping mechanism lol.

LOL.

 

[Urbanyst]

Why are you so angry?

Fastlife only said: use your time to be a better person and a more stable one

We all agree that having more resources is an added value and a worth purpose.

However, all the resources in the world will never be able to solve what you lack inside (trust me I know)

My personal experience is that "game" or "knowing myself" allowed me to become a better person and finally be disciplined enough to get LMS/SMV and work to be richer, better looking , better status.

Working inside of you takes alot more work that working outside and getting "distracted" by toys.

Whatever approach you take outside (LMS)/inside(game, confidence)... make sure it allows to develop and grow the other approach. That the development goes both ways

I'm not angry.

You're not talking about "game".

 

[Urbanyst]

UglyPoorNobody

UPN

More personal attacks because you can't prove your points for sh*t.

LOL.

Love it.

 

[Urbanyst]

UPN

 

[Roober]

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. And both are good to have...

BUT there are only so many hours in the day. And focusing on SMV, predominantly, leads to more insecurity, more constraints, more excuses, more rationalizations for procrastination & is a potentially endless pursuit that has no guarantee of consistent results.

Game leads to less insecurity, more freedom, and provides quicker, more consistent results. It’s also less context dependent and can’t be taken away (while you are one car wreck, one false accusation, one layoff away from having chunks of SMV wiped away). Unless you’re severely overweight or so poor you can’t pay rent or put food on the table, your time is better spent learning game.

Great way to articulate it. Having game and a strong mental character will allow you to respond to adversity much better, it's what I would also call grit. If someone only focuses on lms, once adversity strikes, they are often too weak to overcome the challenges.

Its why you often see guys get laid off, then fall of the horse completely. Or they work on their looks, get a great woman, she breaks them and they never recover. Having game is the knowing your worth and understanding that challenges are only temporary setbacks.

And I don't believe anyone here suggests to buy PUA material, so I'm not sure why it is even an issue. It may have some components of game, but it is sold as a way to get laid, not the way to be a superior man.

 

[sosousage]

Great way to articulate it. Having game and a strong mental character will allow you to respond to adversity much better, it's what I would also call grit. If someone only focuses on lms, once adversity strikes, they are often too weak to overcome the challenges.

Its why you often see guys get laid off, then fall of the horse completely. Or they work on their looks, get a great woman, she breaks them and they never recover. Having game is the knowing your worth and understanding that challenges are only temporary setbacks.

And I don't believe anyone here suggests to buy PUA material, so I'm not sure why it is even an issue. It may have some components of game, but it is sold as a way to get laid, not the way to be a superior man.

you only have strong mental character due to external stimulus

you get way way way more positive external stimulus when you have high SMV
"o my god hes so ripped"
"you are well looking dude!"
"you drive company being this young? hilarious!"

 

[guru1000]

BUT there are only so many hours in the day. And focusing on SMV, predominantly, leads to more insecurity, more constraints, more excuses, more rationalizations for procrastination & is a potentially endless pursuit that has no guarantee of consistent results.

Previous poster is correct in that you work on both.

SMV supersedes game insofar as you are building a better quality of life for YOU. Hence, SMV requires more work.

With SMV and no game, you will have weak, no, or less meaningful interpersonal relationships.

With game and no SMV, you’re struggling financially and powerless in a world dominated by power.

Have both.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Previous poster is correct in that you work on both.

SMV supersedes game insofar as you are building a better quality of life for YOU. Hence, SMV requires more work.

With SMV and no game, you will have weak, no, or less meaningful interpersonal relationships.

With game and no SMV, you’re struggling financially and powerless in a world dominated by power.

Have both.

A 100% game person has "power" by capitalizing off of someone else's money, also they capitalize off of others efforts. So they don't have to do it theirselves. I agree tho having game and LMS is the best way. A 100% LMS person is position to be "used" in many cases.

 

[guru1000]

A 100% game person has "power" by capitalizing off of someone else's money, also they capitalize off of others efforts.

Then he would have LMS, if that were his modus operandi. But if he was just scraping by, he’s essentially powerless subject to the whims of others until he gets tossed.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Then he would have LMS, if that were his modus operandi. But if he was just scraping by, he’s essentially powerless subject to the whims of others until he gets tossed.

They'd have multiple "plugs", multiple "sources", multiple "wallets and purses". The same game as a "hot girl".

 

[guru1000]

They'd have multiple "plugs", multiple "sources", multiple "wallets and purses". The same game as a "hot girl".

My uncle lived that life. He’s was in his 60s still frequenting clubs. He mooched off the whole family, got ostracized (due to his reputation), and worse, his kids, who learned from him, suffered the most, living as vagrants traveling from country to country.

Such a life is no life I would wish upon anyone.

Piece of mind comes from stability, which is borne from LMS. Never surrender piece of mind to avoid the preliminary hustle needed to build LMS. In the end, it is never worth it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My uncle lived that life. He’s was in his 60s still frequenting clubs. He mooched off the whole family, got ostracized (due to his reputation), and worse, his kids, who learned from him, suffered the most, living as vagrants traveling from country to country.

Such a life is no life I would wish upon anyone.

Piece of mind comes from stability, which is borne from LMS. Never surrender piece of mind to avoid the preliminary hustle needed to build LMS. In the end, it is never worth it.

I agree. It's a bad habit because if you ever have to count on yourself your effed. I was just saying there are some who live all on game.

 

[sosousage]

i would stop posting if i were the 2-3 LMS guys as they are continuously destroyed with good points but so far, everyone thats debated the LMS retards has missed the obvious mark.

what the LMS people clearly lack a basic understanding of is that "game" as THEY understand it, is NOT tricks or talking to women with a silver tongue (although it does help) or whatever it is they call it, "voodoo" "hocus-pocus"?

its been talked ad nauseum here that most guys that absolutely suck with women are social retards. so even if we DID isolate game down to just the verbal and behavioral aspect that they attempt to do for the sake argument, we can clearly see that game is nothing more than the breakdown, understanding and practice of SOCIAL DYNAMICS.

there is no need to attempt to isolate LMS from "game", (although the communities definition of game INCLUDES ALL ASPECTS OF SELF IMPROVEMENT) they are not mutually exclusive. you can have all the money and looks in the world, but without having a solid understanding of social dynamics between men and women, specifically, you wont fare very well with women. sure, there may be a ton of women interested in you initially but all the looks and money in the world wont help you keep all the hot women who might show an INITIAL CURIOSITY.

trying to say "game is a joke its not real LOL" is saying that you deny that the human species operates in a complex social structure.

everyone interacts socially with parents, with friends, with relatives, with coworkers/bosses, with every other human in their lives. we all compete for dominance whether we realize it or not, for higher social standing, for admiration for merit, for respect and other abstract concepts.

which is why if you think about it, the "status" part in the LMS argument is contradictory in nature, and to an extent, the money part as well (to make money you obviously have to deal with people)

the social sciences are like anything else. its a skill that can be acquired. most men are savvy enough to deal with other people but throw a romantic interest (female) in the mix and all of a sudden hes lost his balls, cats got his tongue, and has the mental capacity of a goldfish

thats where game comes in

i dont even know what is game