The Truest Thing . . .

LikRetsam

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It seems that the only people in agreement are the ones who have recently been hurt. All you guys can speak for is 2, maybe 3 girls. How can you make global generalizations off that?

A girl will only play you if you give her the liberty (reason?) to do so and vice versa.

Regardless, I find your views sad. Tell yourselves whatever excuses you want about how this girl was really cool and YOU realllllly cared about. You know what was coming when your desperate ass lowered itself to her playing field.

Just as often as you'll find a girl that does what you say they 'all' do, I guarantee you find an opposite. I'll agree that they are constantly testing. But nothing more.

Again, the only ones complaining are the ones who got hurt and knew what was coming but were denying it all along.
 

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TonyTheTigerOi, dude, YOU'RE SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD. Quit posting as if you were 50 and divorced twice with four kids to pay child support for. And don't act like, at the tender young age of seventeen, you have anything resembling real failures, and I mean the kind Abe Lincoln went through before he was elected president. When you're 50 and think back to now, I guarantee, you'll laugh at how preposterous that statement was.

Your general gist of it (I.E. don't be someone you're not for a girl, take a "what you see is what you get" attitude") is good, but when you start acting like women are some sort of ultimate evil, you fail.

When I break rules, hell, I break them not because I'm trying to get the girl, I break them simply 'cuz I feel like breaking them.
 

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I normally would just ignore this, but I think a lot of other people on the board, along with yourself, might be interested in my reply, so I'll let this one float out there:


Well, the fact that you're only 17 just furthers your argument on your enlightened worldview - or lack thereof.

There's so much I'd like to say about that, but let me share something with you - when I moved out last year to go to university, it was quite a change in the way I saw things and it also definitely impacted the way I see and experience life everyday. I hope that you're also able to experience something like that in the future, because I have a strong feeling it would help you out.


I attend a university because I graduated high school early. It didnt change a thing. Just more opportunities to meet more interesting people.

I don't run a set game, follow any real established tactics, test women, or really do anything much of the sort. I simply look for a woman that's attractive and that I'm able to have fun with. That's it - nothing more, nothing less. Invariably, if those two criteria are filled, I end up having a blast.

It's cool that you do run solid game and can reel in the women - with a good plan you can haul in amazingly high amounts of women. The biggest difference here is perception: I don't go with a win/lose mindset. My view is that if I have fun and enjoy myself, it's worthwhile. If that entails getting one number, three numbers, one woman, seven women - that's great - but my key is that I enjoy myself. When I feel like picking up a ton of women, it's not a problem - but it's not the be all and end all goal of my life and measuring stick of my success.


I do not pull all approaches the same. But in every interaction I present a VERY similar person. I say and do different things, but It is always towards the same end. I am ernest about the same things, I lie about the same things [dont say you dont lie ever lie, we all do, and I will be forced to surrender what little respect youve earned with constructive responses]. I go out and attempt to achieve goals, when I do, I am happy, when I do not, I work harder/smarter so that I may achieve them next time.

That is where I think my comments rubbed you the wrong way. If I have a bad experience with a woman, I let it go pretty quickly, wipe the slate clean, and give the next one a chance to see what I'm all about. You, apparently, take it a bit personally and got bitter - which is understandable - but I wasn't trying to further rile up the situation by giving you that short little comment. What I'd like you to try next time something like that happens with a woman is to just let it go - no matter how hard it is to wipe the slate clean - just let it go and move on. It does wonders for you when you're not always trying to prove yourself right or carry a grudge.

Ive been rejected more in this last year of seduction than you have in your life. I promise. It doesnt bother me, I am proud of it! But what this thread is about... is me going out of my way to respect a girl who I thought needed a little space. I went out of my way for her because she was the SWEETEST person ive ever met. We are talking - im suck she comes to my house and checks my temperature with a kiss then makes me chicken soup sweet. I didnt present the same person I usually do, and so I got burned. Bigtime. It is clearing up, but that is because I am back to my old self. Women are all the same. When you find a patern that works, when you are comfortable enough with yourself to stay true to your goals, dont change who you are because maybe, jsut maybe, your girl is different. Because she isnt... thats all im saying.

Running game is all well and good - but try, even just once, to view women as people and not objects, and see where you go in your next experience with one of them. I've found that it lets me enjoy myself much more and focus on the experience, rather than gauging interest, adjusting strategy, etc. etc.

I dont run patterns or use NLP or any of that crap. I just have the confidence to present myself how i would REALLY like to be seen and remembered. I do enjoy myself, probably as much as you. Everyone gauges interest, that is how your subconciously fidn targets to approach - dont give me that angelic crap. I simply take a lot of half assed subconcious processes and make them concious so I can truly understand myself and influence those around me.

This hole post is about the one time I viewed a woman as something special and the whole situation exploded. DO YOU THINK I WOULD GROW BITTER OVER A WOMAN I THOUGHT WAS AN OBJECT? Use your head before you make accusations.

When I work with women, I just relax and have a good time - and it makes things so much easier. I don't worry about game or strategy - if she looks good, I'll tell her that she looks good - if she gets a big head over it and tries to play games, I have much better things to do with my time than play silly games, so I move on.

The best women in the world play games. Plain and simple. Just because you cant HANDLE games, therefor you dont waste your time playing them, does not make those women bad people. Grow up.

Life is meant to be lived - relax and just live - don't trap yourself into making everything into winning or losing, being in control or being controlled, gaining or losing. You seem like you're pretty on the ball, so I'm confident that you can understand what I'm saying.

Relaxing and living is what got me here in the first place. Again, logically your not making much sense.

I used to be like you, always focused on running game, having the upper hand in relationships with women, always picking up constantly - but there is so much more to women, and life, than that.

Hope that makes sense to you, and everyone else out there.


It doesnt make sense to me. Everything I love in this world has come from WORK. I am not one of the people who stumble upon success. I have plenty of friends as successful or more successful than I because they are just plain LUCKY. They RELAX and LIVE and gold falls from the sky. But not many ppl can rely on that. So I give god honest advice about women - they are all the same. They are amazingly beautiful, complex creatures. But when it comes to the barebones of it, they are all the same.

On a side note: I don't care about Edison's background or what he did/did not do. Focus on the quote and not the person.

Words are only as powerful as the heart they come from.
 

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Originally posted by LikRetsam
It seems that the only people in agreement are the ones who have recently been hurt. All you guys can speak for is 2, maybe 3 girls. How can you make global generalizations off that?

A girl will only play you if you give her the liberty (reason?) to do so and vice versa.

Regardless, I find your views sad. Tell yourselves whatever excuses you want about how this girl was really cool and YOU realllllly cared about. You know what was coming when your desperate ass lowered itself to her playing field.

Just as often as you'll find a girl that does what you say they 'all' do, I guarantee you find an opposite. I'll agree that they are constantly testing. But nothing more.

Again, the only ones complaining are the ones who got hurt and knew what was coming but were denying it all along.
I can see your angle... but all you are doing is agreeing with me.

Women cheat/play when they CAN. ALL WOMEN CHEAT/PLAY WHEN THEY CAN. Its that simple. Thats all I am saying.

I dont see whats so sad about letting everyone know that if they give girls a reason they WILL get hurt. All I see is a little bitterness towards guys whove been hurt - maybe because youve never been close enough to get hurt... or maybe cuz you have been and havent admitted it to yourself.

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To the kid who jumped on my spelling - grow up. Ive got a 1450 sat and Ive been published in city newspapers. This is a forum on the internet - what I write is legible, thats good the **** enough. Talk to me when MIT/sloan sends you 2 applications and an invite for an interview =)

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Metal - I didnt say girls are evil. I said they are all the same. They will hurt you if you let them. They are just "people" and when it comes down to it... we all get away with whatever we can.

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Porky - I feel you. I do have a wonderful network of friends - kids I would risk my life for, like brothers to me. But when it comes down to it, you have to know someone for a LONG TIME to even THINK about MAYBE having that kind of devotion to them. There are kids ive lived next to for 10 years I wouldnt go out of my way for because I know they wouldnt for me. Girls are EVEN WORSE. Maybe you find a good one. I HAVE met over a thousand women, almost 1500 in fact [cold approaches in the last 4 years], and I cant think of one who didnt play games when I gave her the space.

Even ugly girls will play games with good lookin guys once they are sure the guys will put up with it. Women are all the same.

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Anachist... is that julian? Bro, I know, and me and chels even worked **** out... but I still cant trust girls to be ernest anymore. There is still so much doubt.

Later guys... sorry if I made a dent in any of your beliefs.

HEY!!! One last thing - I love women. I really, really do. I just understand them a little too well. Dont hate them untill you love them, itll ruin you.
 

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Here's a good analogy:

Women are like doors. They're all pretty much the same. They're just a door with a mechanism for opening. Not matter how they're decorated or painted, you always come down to the hard fact that they're just doors. If you're smart and you turn the knob the right way, you'll open a brand new world of opportunities that you can enjoy. If you're stupid, you'll bump into it, smash your nose, and hate it.
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI


To the kid who jumped on my spelling - grow up. Ive got a 1450 sat and Ive been published in city newspapers. This is a forum on the internet - what I write is legible, thats good the **** enough. Talk to me when MIT/sloan sends you 2 applications and an invite for an interview =)

Good thing I've already talked to you, because that already happened after I got 1480 on my SATs.

But honestly, stuff like that isn't worth arguing about. I would've much rather seen you respond to my other post.
 

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Tony, all girls are not bytches. It's ridiculous to say so. Not every girl will fu<k you over if given the chance, and even if this is the case, it's not gender-specific. All humans are human and have the ability to fu<k someone else over, and it is definitely not just women that will do so if you stand between them and something they want. This is human nature!

Bottom line: Not every girl in the world wants to make you miserable for no reason, and you should be careful what kind of generalizations you make.

Originally posted by Evil-Rom
The truest thing is boys have a penis and girls have a vagina.
 

TonyTheTigerOI

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Originally posted by Interpol
Good thing I've already talked to you, because that already happened after I got 1480 on my SATs.

But honestly, stuff like that isn't worth arguing about. I would've much rather seen you respond to my other post.
I donno what your other post said... if youd still like a response restate the main points and I will adress them with civility, I promise.
 
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