The true red pill vs the fake red pill

[BaronOfHair]

It removes the rose colored tint most people are taught to view the world through...

And replaces that with another tint. Similar to the former Evangelical Christian or Wahabi, who's now become a card carrying, Chris Hitchens-esque atheist

 

[CornbreadFed]

You asked me this before and I answered you.

I'm getting the impression that you haven't read or watched anything I sent.

no I just forgot because of life

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Fake Red Pill: The Bitter Rage Pill

After experiencing one or several negative encounters with women, you start to believe that this behavior is typical and unavoidable. Consequently, you become fixated on various theories and strategies to delay the inevitable and manage the resulting pain. In the end, you may think you have adopted a "red pill" mindset, but in reality, you have simply transformed into the type of person who drove you to embrace the red pill philosophy in the first place.

Now the True Red Pill: Accepting that you will never be that guy

Experience firsthand how attractive women treat the men they are interested in versus those they aren't. The favored men do not face the same challenges: no masculine-feminine energy struggles, no tests, no mind games, no constant back-and-forth, no fear of approaching women, no gaslighting, no pressure to change themselves to appear more attractive, and no tricks.

Meanwhile, you might find yourself frustrated and upset, feeling like you're constantly hitting a wall when it comes to dating in today's world. You're hoping for a magical solution or a catastrophic event that will humble women and level the playing field.

These men will patiently wait for women who show genuine interest, rather than sifting through fleeting encounters like others. Moreover, they will recognize when they have found someone special and avoid sabotaging the relationship with a scarcity mindset or laziness.

Watch this video up to the 7-minute mark and it will show you exactly how women treat the "The Favored" men. Notice how she was being aggressively masculine until the Tyrone walked into the room and she switched to her feminine energy.

Sounds Black rather than Red.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Then why the fvck are you still commenting on the red pill?

Imagine if we were debating religion and id never read your religious doctrine, but I kept debating anyways.
Id look like a retard

Well religion has a foundation with consistency, while the red pill is whatever the poster says it is apparently. I can’t keep up with all these different viewpoints. I go off whatever is being perpetuated/old school red pill while you brought up people I’ve never heard of lol.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Most guys that come to the red pill, come for pvssy.

I would argue most guys come to red pill to rationalize why they can't get any pvssy.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

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I would argue most guys come to red pill to rationalize why they can't get any pvssy.

I came to the RP when I tried to make sense of my divorce.
I came to the Black Pill upon dating again. And in particular OLD. Tinder is the real Black Pill.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

This is a fair observation, but I think these individuals aren't actually looking for solutions.

To me:
Red pill = how do women work and how do I succeed with them?

I don't subscribe to black pill, but it seems like a nihilistic approach to the same foundational understanding of intersexual dynamics that red pill is based on.
I do not find black pill content to be useful. I liken it to MGTOW.

For me. The Black Pill is merely the recognition that a man’s looks are the most (but not only) important factor in attracting women. Based not on theory, but on real life experiences & observations.

 

[BaronOfHair]

We're quibbling over which madhhab of The Red Pill is the "true" Word Of God

 

[BaronOfHair]

I came to the RP when I tried to make sense of my divorce
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Yeah... TRP ensnares many men, by offering us an overarching theory of reality, just like

Has scammed so many women into believing life really is just as simple as "Women(Especially darker pigmented women)helpless victims... Men(Especially fair skinned men)oppressors"

 

[CornbreadFed]

You've never heard of Rollo Tomassi, Rian Stone, or the actual TheRedPill subreddit?
These are actually OG redpill sources.

If nothing else, check out the subreddit. That's where the actual red pill is. Read the sidebar and books thereof. A lot of the things I've seen you post - are surprisingly red pilled for someone who claims to disagree with it. To be fair, TRP was birthed from PUA observations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/s/qxUDcSFkVX

*ignore the quarantined disclaimer - it's just reddit way of trying to ban TRP.

Rollo/rational male is foundational work, but with little application advice.

Rian Stone is mostly on YouTube but also has a substack and used to be on TRP subreddit. He specializes in long term relationships.

I’ve heard of Rollo Tomasi and I don’t disagree with some parts of the red pill, I am more of a reformer advocate of it. I was red pilled in my twenties and found some of the stuff gridlock my mindset with women and life. There’s truth to the red pill that I 100% agree with but there’s also stuff that I cannot let be ignored because it harms men in the longer run. As a whole, I don’t think walking around being constantly bitter and butthurt with women & society is a good thing for anyone. However, I do think men should be cautious with women and society and constantly improve himself in healthy avenues.

 

[BaronOfHair]

As a whole, I don’t think walking around being constantly bitter and butthurt with women & society is a good thing for anyone

BLACK LIKE WHO? What Price Unity? - The Village Voice

For two decades, an honest exchange of ideas in black America has been discouraged in the name of something called unity. Public disagreements have been perceived as providing ammunition to “the enemy,” that amorphous white “they” that works with a relentlessly evil intent against blacks. Thus...

www.villagevoice.com

A variation of what was written there, back in '91 ("The ’70s and ’80s saw a narrowing of concern. Black America was not vaccinated against the “culture of narcissism” that infected white America")is just as true of men in The US, from the late 10s-today. Vehemently as The Manosphere doth insist "We're separate from Blue Pill Society!!!", American men/guys throughout The Anglosphere more generally, were no less caught up in the turn towards Identity Politics that saturated EVERY facet of our civilization during the era we've been inhabiting

Women and gays started conceptualizing themselves primarily as victims of oppression, at the hands of an alleged White CIS Heteronormative Capitalistic Patriachy, the existence of which they learned about via a few million BuzzFeed articles. Simultaneously, we men started viewing ourselves, first and foremost, as a persecuted minority within a Gynocentric Feminine Primary New World Order, which The Ayatollahs Of Red Pill Theology on YouTube assert is all around us

 

[The Duke]

Well religion has a foundation with consistency, while the red pill is whatever the poster says it is apparently. I can’t keep up with all these different viewpoints. I go off whatever is being perpetuated/old school red pill while you brought up people I’ve never heard of lol.

But its still up to different interpretations. Why do you think we have Baptists, Catholics, methodists, lutherans, ladder day saint's, Jehovas, etc. Don't get caught up in the detail. It's all good.

 

[CornbreadFed]

But its still up to different interpretations. Why do you think we have Baptists, Catholics, methodists, lutherans, ladder day saint's, Jehovas, etc. Don't get caught up in the detail. It's all good.

I have an abysmal opinion of Baptists and evangelicals as a whole, the rest I understand lol.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Men = gatekeepers to commitment
Women = gatekeepers to sex

One of the core principles of redpill theory, and one thing everyone in here can agree on.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Can you give me some examples of this?

Sure!

1). Instilling a hyper negative and regressive mindset of women & society which harms men- Can a woman screw you over?...Yes, is it worth living a life being scared of it?...No. It is like being scared of going outside because you might be scared of being stung by a bee or getting into a car accident. Are these incidents unavoidable? No, but we take reasonable & rational preventive measures to prevent these incidents. The red pill has gone as far as advocating young men to getting vasectomies which is insane.

2). Advocating self-improvement in an unhealthy way- Going to the gym, finding hobbies, and working on your career is doable, but the RP is trying to convince its followers that they are failures if they aren't some 1% yacht clouting crypto bro by age 40. Again, this is insane and toxic.

3). Idols that do not practice what they preach- Everyone marketing the red pill is living a purple pilled life at best. They all have GFs or wives. Most of them live normal lives outside their podcasts and YouTube videos.

4). Cultish sectarian tactics like labeling everyone against them and Echo chamber mindsets- According to the Red Pill, everyone is against them, every guy in a relationship is getting cucked/cheated on, every other guy is starved for pvssy, feminism is the Gestapo police of the world, but Red Pillers are safe in their Youtube/Podcast echochambers.

 

[BaronOfHair]

3). Idols that do not practice what they preach- Everyone marketing the red pill is living a purple pilled life at best. They all have GFs or wives. Most of them live normal lives outside their podcasts and YouTube videos.

Eerily reminiscent of 0:00-1:22

 

[BaronOfHair]

Fake Red Pill: The Bitter Rage Pill

After experiencing one or several negative encounters with women, you start to believe that this behavior is typical and unavoidable. Consequently, you become fixated on various theories and strategies to delay the inevitable and manage the resulting pain. In the end, you may think you have adopted a "red pill" mindset, but in reality, you have simply transformed into the type of person who drove you to embrace the red pill philosophy in the first place.

Now the True Red Pill: Accepting that you will never be that guy

Experience firsthand how attractive women treat the men they are interested in versus those they aren't. The favored men do not face the same challenges: no masculine-feminine energy struggles, no tests, no mind games, no constant back-and-forth, no fear of approaching women, no gaslighting, no pressure to change themselves to appear more attractive, and no tricks.

Meanwhile, you might find yourself frustrated and upset, feeling like you're constantly hitting a wall when it comes to dating in today's world. You're hoping for a magical solution or a catastrophic event that will humble women and level the playing field.

These men will patiently wait for women who show genuine interest, rather than sifting through fleeting encounters like others. Moreover, they will recognize when they have found someone special and avoid sabotaging the relationship with a scarcity mindset or laziness.

Watch this video up to the 7-minute mark and it will show you exactly how women treat the "The Favored" men. Notice how she was being aggressively masculine until the Tyrone walked into the room and she switched to her feminine energy.

Frank Bruni's "The Age of Grievance"- Think with Krys Boyd

Frank Bruni joins host Krys Boyd to discuss why Americans are finding identities in grievances and how we are missing out on what’s working for the country.

think.kera.org

The Manosphere has been no less susceptible to what Bruni describes there

 

[BaronOfHair]

4). Cultish sectarian tactics like labeling everyone against them and Echo chamber mindsets- According to the Red Pill, everyone is against them, every guy in a relationship is getting cucked/cheated on, every other guy is starved for pvssy, feminism is the Gestapo police of the world, but Red Pillers are safe in their Youtube/Podcast echochambers.

It's not a coincidence that Intersectionality/Wokeness and The Red Pill both became forefront in our culture at the same time

 

[BaronOfHair]

3). Idols that do not practice what they preach- Everyone marketing the red pill is living a purple pilled life at best. They all have GFs or wives. Most of them live normal lives outside their podcasts and YouTube videos.

4). Cultish sectarian tactics like labeling everyone against them and Echo chamber mindsets- According to the Red Pill, everyone is against them, every guy in a relationship is getting cucked/cheated on, every other guy is starved for pvssy, feminism is the Gestapo police of the world, but Red Pillers are safe in their Youtube/Podcast echochambers.

Much of what Crichton observed about Environmentalism, back in '03,

Crichton: Environmentalism is a religion > Hawaii Free Press

Is no less true of The Red Pill. It's not mere coincidence that so many card-carrying Red Pillers claim to be Atheist/Atheist-esque, or(in the case of Roosh and the like), some have become Born Again Bible/Koran humpers. This particular dogma is fulfilling a vacuum once occupied by The Abrahamic religions

 

[BaronOfHair]

Fake Red Pill: The Bitter Rage Pill

After experiencing one or several negative encounters with women, you start to believe that this behavior is typical and unavoidable. Consequently, you become fixated on various theories and strategies to delay the inevitable and manage the resulting pain. In the end, you may think you have adopted a "red pill" mindset, but in reality, you have simply transformed into the type of person who drove you to embrace the red pill philosophy in the first place.

Now the True Red Pill: Accepting that you will never be that guy

Experience firsthand how attractive women treat the men they are interested in versus those they aren't. The favored men do not face the same challenges: no masculine-feminine energy struggles, no tests, no mind games, no constant back-and-forth, no fear of approaching women, no gaslighting, no pressure to change themselves to appear more attractive, and no tricks.

Meanwhile, you might find yourself frustrated and upset, feeling like you're constantly hitting a wall when it comes to dating in today's world. You're hoping for a magical solution or a catastrophic event that will humble women and level the playing field.

These men will patiently wait for women who show genuine interest, rather than sifting through fleeting encounters like others. Moreover, they will recognize when they have found someone special and avoid sabotaging the relationship with a scarcity mindset or laziness.

Watch this video up to the 7-minute mark and it will show you exactly how women treat the "The Favored" men. Notice how she was being aggressively masculine until the Tyrone walked into the room and she switched to her feminine energy.

The Red Pill is, and has always has been, riddled with the sort of fatal errors which characterize the very same philosophy it claims to be inimical to

The Media Is Making College Rape Culture Worse

College sexual assault is a very real problem—but news organizations and government bureaucrats do victims no favors when they exaggerate its prevalence.

www.thedailybeast.com

Just a few examples



Quote the article:
"The frenzy over college sexual assault now sweeping the nation was triggered by a specific event.

In 2010, a small team of investigative journalists published a report revealing, so they claimed, an epidemic of college rape. The report was a jumble of highly selective reporting and dubious statistics..."



Red Pill Theology was cooked up by a small clique of bloggers in the late 2000s and early 10s. It's similarly a dumpling stew, who's chief ingredients are highly selective readings of Evolutionary Psychology (An already flimsy discipline. Google Massimo Pigliucci's "Is evolutionary psychology a pseudoscience?")and human history, along with partially quoted statistics


"But the reporters spread the news far and wide and no one thought to question their accuracy"



This New Religious Movement bloggers like Roosh and Rollo Tomassi(Who, again, seems like a well-meaning guy)created eventually reached social media and won many True Believers, while very few have seriously interrogated the finer points of The Red Pill


"Federal officials were electrified by the findings and launched a draconian crusade. The term “rape culture,” previously limited to gender-theory seminars, slowly found its way into the national lexicon"

Content creators across YouTube were euphoric to discover an overarching theory of reality which appeared to provide an infallible explanation for the current state of world, and didn't hesitate to start mindlessly chanting Red Pill catechisms with a fervor unseen since The People's Temple, at the height of it's prominence during The 1970s. Terms like "Gynocentrism" and "Hypergamy"(The former was previously a cheeky descriptor first used in the late 1890s by hack writer G.A. Birmingham, then later in the early works of dissident feminist CH Sommers. The latter is a theory of dubious validity within Evo Psych*)skyrocketed out of obscure corners of academia and into everyday speech, effectively becoming a counter-jargon to Woke Lingo like "White CIS Heteronormative Patriarchy" and "Emotional Labor"



"When Rolling Stone published its apocryphal article about a sadistic and premeditated fraternity gang rape at the University of Virginia, many who should have known better took it seriously. It was a Gothic fantasy nurtured by specious statistics, poorly designed studies, and panic"

Large segments of The Manosphere pride themselves on allegedly being unsusceptible to the errors so often found in The MSM's reporting, yet continue to blindly regurgitate barely baked swill like this

Even when(As the user williamjennings points out, in the comments section of the above video)much of this stuff is remarkably easy to fact check, via the miracle of Google. The Generically Red Pill view of reality is a dystopian fantasy, built upon cherry picked data, an infantile comprehension of social history, and millions of stupendously non-sequitur leaps in logic


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